RE: Fabulous Lancia Delta S4 Stradale for sale
RE: Fabulous Lancia Delta S4 Stradale for sale
Wednesday 30th July

Fabulous Lancia Delta S4 Stradale for sale

One of the most fearsome rally cars in history, lightly tamed for mortals like us. Perfection


Nobody thought Group B rallying would ever make a comeback. Not only for the number of deadly accidents that occurred throughout the era, but also because of the astronomical costs involved in stuffing expensive Formula 1 tech into, mostly, humdrum family cars. But just look at the cars competing now. Sure, they look like Ford Puma STs, Hyundai i20 Ns and Toyota GR Yarises you can (or could) find in showrooms today, but underneath you’ll find a space frame chassis and hi-tech engines built solely for rallying. It’s Group B for the modern era, one that’s even faster and a heck of a lot safer than the one that came before.

The big difference is that, back in the '80s, manufacturers were forced to make road-going versions of their challengers to homologate for rallying, which is something Ford, Hyundai and Toyota don’t have to worry about. As long as their cars vaguely resemble those sold in showrooms, they’re good to go rallying. But that’s what made the Group B era so special, right? The fact that you could ring up your dealer and buy a V6-engined Metro 6R4, a Peugeot 205 T16 or one of these: a Lancia Delta S4 Stradale.

The Group B era did churn out some proper oddballs, like the Citreon 4TC or twin-engined Seat Ibiza Bimotor, most of which were either too rickety or too slow to be any good as rally cars. The Delta S4, though, was a different kind of oddball. Lancia was, after all, very good at winning rally championships, taking the 1974, ’75 and ’76 titles with the gorgeous Stratos, and cunningly stealing the ’83 crown from the all-wheel drive Audi Sport Quattro with the rear-wheel drive 037. So when the Delta S4 arrived in 1985 as an oddly-proportioned box bearing little resemblance to the hatchback it shared its name with, you knew it’d come up with something spectacular.

This wasn’t just the first all-wheel drive Lancia rally car, but also the first in history to employ twin-charging technology. An ingenious idea when you think about it: use a big turbocharger for humungous amounts of power, paired up with a supercharger to minimise lag at lower revs. Official power figures were never released, though some claim it could deliver as much as 1,000hp with the wick turned up. It’s also fabled that Henri Toivonen, one of rallying’s great young talents whose death behind the wheel of an S4 ultimately put paid to the Group B era, put a time in around the Estoril Grand Prix circuit that would have put him in the top ten of an F1 test that took place a few weeks before. Wow. 

No surprise that Lancia dialled things back for the road car. The 1.8-litre four-pot still came bundled in with an Abarth supercharger and turbo, only power was scaled back to a tamer 250hp, while the all-wheel drive system with a trio of differentials was also retained. As was the positioning of the fuel tanks, which were directly under the seats for better weight distribution, presumably paying little mind to driver safety. However, the interior was suitably jazzed up, with lovely suede seats, some S4 badges dotted around the place and, er, that’s your lot.

Put it like this: if the Ferrari ever made a hatchback version of the F40, it would look a little something like this. Granted, it ain’t the prettiest thing to come out of Italy, but its close ties to one of the most fearsome rally cars there has ever been make it immensely desirable. Especially the example we have here, which was delivered to the UK when new, yet has spent the last 35 years and much of its 3,500 miles in France. It’s now back on our shores, having recently been serviced by legendary Lancia specialists Elio and Giovanni Baldi in Turin, where it received a handful of engine tweaks to unlock more grunt. You’ll need to give the seller a call for the price, which will be substantial. But as Group B homologation specials go, they don’t come more special than this. 


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Augustus Windsock

Original Poster:

3,629 posts

171 months

Wednesday 30th July
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If SWMBO has the winning numbers from last nights €Millions, then this would be straight into our garage.
I’ve been lucky enough to ride shotgun in a 6R4 (which I found very noisy and quite uncomfortable which is no great surprise) and an RS200, yet my choice of one to own forever would be an S4 or a 205 T16.
Why?
No idea other than I, like many others on here, was lucky enough to have seen these being driven in anger on Forest stages and despite the current crop of rally cars being faster, there’s nothing like the sight and sound of a GrpB car at full chat at night.

Arrivalist

1,543 posts

15 months

Wednesday 30th July
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That really has been hit with the ugly stick.

I was lucky enough to drive an integrale back in the late 80s and that was all the power needed imo - and it looked great too.

Edited by Arrivalist on Wednesday 30th July 07:50

edoverheels

480 posts

121 months

Wednesday 30th July
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Significant and interesting but ill proportioned and ungainly.

CLK-GTR

1,530 posts

261 months

Wednesday 30th July
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A 205 T16 is still the lottery win purchase but an S4 is a close second. What a machine that is.

Leftfootwonder

1,310 posts

74 months

Wednesday 30th July
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It looks like I built it.

Gary29

4,544 posts

115 months

Wednesday 30th July
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Yep, if my numbers came up, that would be very near the top of the list! I've always liked 'ugly' cars, it looks fantastic to my eyes, how can you not love a Grp.B homologation special?!

Tickle

5,624 posts

220 months

Wednesday 30th July
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That is unbelievably cool.

As others have said, a Group B car would be in that mythical Lotto win garage.

wistec1

633 posts

57 months

Wednesday 30th July
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Very desirable and rare especially so in black. I'm drawn to low number productions such as this. The 695 abarth Maserati edizione (13) Mini good wood in reef blue(5) and M3 Jahre(33) having already ticked my bucket list. It's often the colour that sets them apart and this S4 is no exception but ironically for me I don't like black and to my eyes it does little to tame the awkward lines of this rally legend.

Ideas on price anyone? I'd guess north of £300k

NathanChadwick

354 posts

57 months

Wednesday 30th July
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wistec1 said:
Very desirable and rare especially so in black. I'm drawn to low number productions such as this. The 695 abarth Maserati edizione (13) Mini good wood in reef blue(5) and M3 Jahre(33) having already ticked my bucket list. It's often the colour that sets them apart and this S4 is no exception but ironically for me I don't like black and to my eyes it does little to tame the awkward lines of this rally legend.

Ideas on price anyone? I'd guess north of £300k
triple it and maybe you're close

PRO5T

5,868 posts

41 months

Wednesday 30th July
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Augustus Windsock said:
If SWMBO has the winning numbers from last nights Millions, then this would be straight into our garage.
I ve been lucky enough to ride shotgun in a 6R4 (which I found very noisy and quite uncomfortable which is no great surprise) and an RS200, yet my choice of one to own forever would be an S4 or a 205 T16.
Why?
No idea other than I, like many others on here, was lucky enough to have seen these being driven in anger on Forest stages and despite the current crop of rally cars being faster, there s nothing like the sight and sound of a GrpB car at full chat at night.
I concur. With everything written!

Also, Girardo & Co. I mean this guy is just winning at life huh? I’m not sure whose business is like to have more, his, Tom Hartley Jnr, what about the Swiss guy who does all the McLaren F1s?

Or maybe just Richard Tuthill with his plain old air cooled 911s?

I’m so envious of these guys living and breathing their passions every day-it must be an immense working pleasure. Fair play to all of them smile

evojam

709 posts

176 months

Wednesday 30th July
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Intergrales are two a penny,this one is for the connoisseur..

soxboy

7,052 posts

235 months

Wednesday 30th July
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NathanChadwick said:
triple it and maybe you're close
Same car sold 6 months ago:


GreatScott2016

1,908 posts

104 months

Wednesday 30th July
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edoverheels said:
Significant and interesting but ill proportioned and ungainly.
Completely agree, but don’t get me started on the price yikes

Dapster

8,185 posts

196 months

Wednesday 30th July
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soxboy said:
Same car sold 6 months ago:

Ouch!

RM Sotherby's sold this one for more than €1m a few years ago



https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/es19/lots/r0124-19...


If I had the money I would - fantastic pedigree and history. This and a Sport Quattro and I'd be a happy bunny

Fetchez la vache

5,789 posts

230 months

Wednesday 30th July
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article said:
the fuel tanks, which were directly under the seats for better weight distribution, presumably paying little mind to driver safety.
Given that the fatal crash in an S4 played a major part in Group B being cancelled, you could say that, yes.

evil.edna

300 posts

86 months

Wednesday 30th July
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Arrivalist said:
That really has been hit with the ugly stick.

I was lucky enough to drive an integrale back in the late 80s and that was all the power needed imo - and it looked great too.

Edited by Arrivalist on Wednesday 30th July 07:50
Ugly? Maybe to some peoples' eyes. These cars were built for a purpose and form definitely came second to function.

Personally, I will always have a soft spot for the Group B homologation specials. Halcyon days.

mrclav

1,599 posts

239 months

Wednesday 30th July
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And people think that BMW XM is ugly...

I see this as a distant ancestor aesthetically speaking. Definitely hit every single branch as it fell down the ugly tree then got trampolined right back in. Horrible, horrible looking thing.

WPA

12,123 posts

130 months

Wednesday 30th July
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evil.edna said:
Arrivalist said:
That really has been hit with the ugly stick.

I was lucky enough to drive an integrale back in the late 80s and that was all the power needed imo - and it looked great too.

Edited by Arrivalist on Wednesday 30th July 07:50
Ugly? Maybe to some peoples' eyes. These cars were built for a purpose and form definitely came second to function.

Personally, I will always have a soft spot for the Group B homologation specials. Halcyon days.
Agreed, however a 205 T16 would still be my pick above this

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,403 posts

114 months

Wednesday 30th July
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My father had one. He was fortunate enough to be in a position to own a few rally cars back in the day, when they were no where near so expensive. So ended up with a Stratos, 037, S4 and an RS200. The Lancias were, as expected, progressively faster but also more refined. They really struggled to shift the Stratos and 037 ( when new ) so put a little more effort into the S4. I think it even had a/c. The Stratos was unbelievably crude inside and difficult to be in on a hot day.

When seen in the flesh, the styling is a little more cohesive, though definitely function over form. It certainly stands out though. Getting spare parts even then was really hard ( he bought his from new ). The ecu's were bespoke and if one of those went, you were toast as they didn't make anymore. I believe there is a solution now though. He sadly sold it 25 years ago for a lot, lot less to a dentist in Japan...

Of all the 4 cars, he actually thought the RS200 was the best ...

LotusOmega375D

8,826 posts

169 months

Wednesday 30th July
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First S4 Stradale I ever saw was a red one doing some laps of Monza on race day of the F1 event in 1986. Got a grainy photo somewhere.

Second one was converted into rally spec. by a Spanish driver and stored at that now defunct collection in Daventry. Here it is on the Monte Carlo rally 1986.



By the way, the story about Toivenen and Estoril is a bit of an old wives’ tale.