RE: Counterfeit parts account for two raids every day
RE: Counterfeit parts account for two raids every day
Thursday 31st July

Counterfeit parts account for two raids every day

That's according to Mercedes, which reckons it helped authorities seize 1.5 million fake products in 2024


In the days of digital service records, manufacturer eBay stores and interest-free payments for parts, the idea of knock-off car bits might seem all a bit '90s. But the problem persists - at least it certainly does for Mercedes; having compiled its 2024 numbers, it’s found an upward trend in the amount of fake parts listed, and subsequently seized with the help of authorities. 

Partly that increase reflects more policing of the problem. In 2024, 793 raids took place across the world, ‘conducted by trade supervisory and law enforcement agencies targeting Mercedes-Benz counterfeits’. Those raids seized more than 1.5 million fake Benz bits, the pics with today’s news suggesting it’s a pretty wide array as well, from Maybach wheels to oil filters. So it’s not just badly drawn three-pointed stars or tat you might have expected down the market once upon a time; seized items included ‘air filters made from highly flammable materials, inferior brake components, and brake pads containing hazardous materials like lead and arsenic.’ Which is pretty scary, really. More than that, it's even suggested that dodgy parts are being used to modify Mercs ‘in violation of intellectual property rights and even recreating entire vehicles.’ Clearly, a big problem. And definitely not the time to joke about recent Maybach violations from the factory.

As you might expect, the crackdown has also taken place online, with 212,000 listings for counterfeits being removed in 2024; Mercedes suggests that’s a 49 per cent increase, presumably from 2023, and would imply there’s still plenty being bought and sold online (on social media in particular) that shouldn’t really be there. 

Mercedes would obviously like for there to be no knock-offs at all, but they were probably campaigning for that 40 years ago as well. Counterfeiting methods change, so the approaches to quashing it must too. There’s the environmental impact to think of, also; the last thing any maker needs at a time of such scrutiny is brake pads containing arsenic with their name on them. And there is the financial aspect to consider (the sheer price of some spare parts is what sustains a profitable black market) with Mercedes understandably keen for an OEM stamp to mean something. 

“Originals stand for tested quality. They meet technical, environmental, and occupational safety requirements, ensuring road safety. Therefore, we work closely with authorities to prevent the spread of counterfeits. Through our extensive fight against the counterfeit industry, we protect road users from serious accidents, safeguard customers from deception, and strengthen trust in our brand”, said Renata Jungo Brüngger, Mercedes’ board member for Integrity, Governance and Sustainability.

The advice from Benz resembles what your parents might have told you as a kid, and hopefully what we all tell ourselves when going into any kind of car deal: if an offer seems too good to be true, then it probably is. Stay vigilant!


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leglessAlex

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Seems fairly understandable really.

People have to deal with a high cost of living, low wage growth, and probably a desire to own something 'premium' that might not have been quite so prevalent in the past.

On top that that, endless factories in china who are perfectly happy to take your money and make you whatever you want with whatever you'd like stamped on it.

M138

605 posts

7 months

Friday 1st August
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Laugh.
Of course Mercedes want you to buy genuine parts.
Try a Chinese price match and the problem might go away.

Noe

87 posts

299 months

Friday 1st August
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China sadly will ruin the world

mrclav

1,599 posts

239 months

Friday 1st August
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leglessAlex said:
Seems fairly understandable really.

People have to deal with a high cost of living, low wage growth, and probably a desire to own something 'premium' that might not have been quite so prevalent in the past.

On top that that, endless factories in china who are perfectly happy to take your money and make you whatever you want with whatever you'd like stamped on it.
And that right there is an issue - I think too many actually end up living above the true means by buying 'premium'; Mercedes have never been 'cheap' so that's a far bigger factor than high cost of living/low wage growth in this instance.

Noe said:
China sadly will ruin the world
Well, I doubt they're going to to a worse job than the British did over a couple hundred years.

skylarking808

939 posts

102 months

Friday 1st August
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I may have bought some Merc wheel centre caps off ebay that seemed remarkably good value. All correctly stamped, but defo fakes as the colour was incorrect.Thankfully no safety issues involved !;)

M138

605 posts

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skylarking808 said:
Thankfully no safety issues involved !;)
They don’t do themselves any favours with their scare tactics.

sam.rog

1,110 posts

94 months

Friday 1st August
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Perhaps stop charging extortionate prices for bits of mass produced plastic the market wouldn’t be booming.

leglessAlex

Original Poster:

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mrclav said:
And that right there is an issue - I think too many actually end up living above the true means by buying 'premium'; Mercedes have never been 'cheap' so that's a far bigger factor than high cost of living/low wage growth in this instance.
Maybe. I don't know how prevalent this actually is, or if it just seems that way because of social media and because the one shiny new car on the street is very visible.

Either way, certainly it'll be a factor for some people.

P675

501 posts

48 months

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Is a counterfeit grill, badge or light cluster really worth worrying about?

Sparky137

920 posts

197 months

Saturday 2nd August
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So where is the line between a counterfeit part and a pattern part?

So many pattern parts are now sourced from China and sold through reputable outlets it appears that the line is very blurred. The fact that many manufacturers have their own parts made in China doesn't help either.

Black S2K

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Sparky137 said:
So where is the line between a counterfeit part and a pattern part?

So many pattern parts are now sourced from China and sold through reputable outlets it appears that the line is very blurred. The fact that many manufacturers have their own parts made in China doesn't help either.
That was my first thought, too.

A lot of these non-genuine parts will be the same bit in a Valeo bag instead of an M-B one or somesuch.

How else did ChYna make the leap from communist totalitarian backwater products into fascist totalitarian worldbeater products in just one generation otherwise? Same ttphone, different casing...

Here's a tip, M-B; stop making st cars that need so many spare parts and the problem will diminish.





Vsix and Vtec

985 posts

34 months

Saturday 2nd August
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Black S2K said:
That was my first thought, too.

A lot of these non-genuine parts will be the same bit in a Valeo bag instead of an M-B one or somesuch.

How else did ChYna make the leap from communist totalitarian backwater products into fascist totalitarian worldbeater products in just one generation otherwise? Same ttphone, different casing...

Here's a tip, M-B; stop making st cars that need so many spare parts and the problem will diminish.
I would think too that producing so much of thier parts in Chinese factories allows these same factories to over produce, and then under cut MB by selling direct without the uplift that MB put on the parts. Had MB still made its parts in Germany as in days of old, it would be able to police its supply chain a bit better. As it is, Chinese factories are more than happy to lie and obfuscate to make a profit at the expense of a foreign company.

vaud

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Black S2K said:
How else did ChYna make the leap from communist totalitarian backwater products into fascist totalitarian worldbeater products in just one generation otherwise? Same ttphone, different casing...
Scant regard for human rights and working condition
State intervention in exchange rates, loans, etc
Massive amounts of IP theft

Sparky137

920 posts

197 months

Saturday 2nd August
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Vsix and Vtec said:
I would think too that producing so much of thier parts in Chinese factories allows these same factories to over produce, and then under cut MB by selling direct without the uplift that MB put on the parts.
This was a problem that Apple faced some years ago with iPod parts. I used to repair a lot of them and many of the spare parts I purchased were clearly identical to original Apple parts suggesting that they came from the same source but being sold at a much lower price.

JJJ.

2,845 posts

31 months

Blaming China is cop out.

vaud

55,306 posts

171 months

JJJ. said:
Blaming China is cop out.
It is part of the issue, though not the whole issue.

Wills2

26,332 posts

191 months


Spare parts are a massive profit centre for the manufacturers, they price gouge and then slap NLA on them meaning you can't get the OEM part even if you wanted to, there is nothing wrong with a non safety critical pattern part just so long as you are told it's a pattern part rather than it being passed off as genuine and that's the scam/rip off, no one should be happy for that to happen.




JJJ.

2,845 posts

31 months

vaud said:
JJJ. said:
Blaming China is cop out.
It is part of the issue, though not the whole issue.
What is the issue? None imo. Just buy wisely. And the vast majority buying their own parts should be versed in the pros and cons of buying from either an official supplier like an M-B dealership or an aftermarket seller.
This really reeks of a Daily Mail article.




Edited by JJJ. on Sunday 3rd August 10:59

M138

605 posts

7 months

JJJ. said:
This really reeks of a Daily Mail article.




Edited by JJJ. on Sunday 3rd August 10:59
Reeks of a Mercedes-Benz article to me because they’re not making money hand over fist on spare parts for their cars.

JJJ.

2,845 posts

31 months

M138 said:
JJJ. said:
This really reeks of a Daily Mail article.




Edited by JJJ. on Sunday 3rd August 10:59
Reeks of a Mercedes-Benz article to me because they re not making money hand over fist on spare parts for their cars.
Yep, but the article wouldn't be out
of place in the DM.