RE: Land Rover Defender V8 | Cars to be thankful for
RE: Land Rover Defender V8 | Cars to be thankful for
Saturday 2nd August

Land Rover Defender V8 | Cars to be thankful for

The Defender is the last hurrah for the supercharged V8. What's not to love? 


Important from the outset to acknowledge that we’re celebrating two things here. One is the current Land Rover Defender, a triumph by any international measure - but from a British manufacturer (where success often seems to be relative) a veritable sensation, both critically and commercially. The other thing, much older and even gnarlier, is the 5.0-litre supercharged V8 powering it. We are grateful for both, of course - and tremendously happy that the latter can still be bought in the former - but the Defender is only partway through its lifecycle, so we can continue being thankful for that for years to come. The V8, however, is tapering as it nears the end of the tunnel. It has well earned a final salute all of its own. 

Both owe their existence and configuration to broader legacies. Assuming the 5.0-litre unit makes it to next year, the long-running AJ-V8, in all its forms, will have been around for 30 years - a heritage that stretches back to the naturally aspirated 4.0-litre engine first installed in the Jaguar XJ and XK8. The shadow that loomed over the Defender was considerably longer, encompassing not just three decades of 90 and 110 production, but also the heart and soul of the Series models that Land Rover likes to lump on top. Little wonder the firm had previously baulked at replacing a model so intrinsic to its origin story. Some at the time counselled a model in the Mercedes G-Class mould, highly exclusive and quasi-rugged. But Land Rover needed volume.

Easy to forget, five years on from its launch, just how challenging the car's introduction proved to be. Apprehension is always to be expected, but off-road virtuosity aside, Land Rover had tweaked the formula (and the model’s positioning) so comprehensively that there was absolutely no guarantee of a favourable reception, even when it seemed convinced that it was onto a winner. Moreover, the L663 landed almost in the same week as Covid-19 restrictions (the hastily arranged UK launch was notable for illicit handshakes and clumsy attempts at distancing). So there was that colossal, supply-knackering mess to overcome, too. Yet somehow the Defender seemed preordained for success; as well suited to the moment as an mRNA vaccine and very nearly as popular with the chattering classes. 

It helped that it drove convincingly well and in a way that harmonised brilliantly with its thickset styling. The Defender was intended to be more of a driver’s car than the unashamedly benign Discovery, although Land Rover initially stopped short of offering it with the V8. Craftily, the manufacturer had chosen to pair a naturally aspirated version of the engine with the previous Defender first, revealing the extraordinarily pricey Classic Works V8 in 2018 - after it had pre-sold the lot. Though it hardly needed a barometer of just how appealing an eight-cylinder L663 might be to some, the limited edition restomod went a long way to confirming it. By the time Land Rover officially canned the Discovery SVX a year later (a concept nominally powered by the 5.0-litre unit), it was clear to all which model had been deigned worthy of supercharging. 

The distinction was important not just because it suggested which model was better suited to a petrol-chugging flagship, but also because it meant the Defender was being primed as the likely final resting place for the largest version of the AJ-V8, the engine that since 2009 JLR had been using to spice up everything from XF to Velar. Work on the 5.0-litre motor had kicked off under Ford’s watch - and was built in its Bridgend factory for the majority of its lifetime - but much of the development work occurred in-house, with Jaguar adamant that its larger, technically superior V8 should easily eclipse any memory of the 4.2-litre unit that preceded it. Its initial appearance in the XFR, arguably the masterpiece that Jaguar spent the next 15 years failing to live up to, laid the foundation for its enviable reputation. 

It evolved over time, certainly, as JLR sourced more power even as the regulatory noose started to close around it. The V8 delivered 600hp in the SV Project 8, and was comically loud in various iterations of F-Type, not to mention the original Range Rover Sport SVR. But the blueprint remained the same: courtesy of its twin-vortex supercharger, so often a point of differentiation in a mostly turbocharged world, the V8 promised not just better throttle response, but also a depth of character that managed to encompass genuine refinement at one end and outright raucousness at the other. Quick to rev and seemingly never constrained by forced induction, it managed the tricky job of not just seeming at home in a rear-drive, hard-charging sports car, but also a two-and-a-half tonne luxury SUV. There is no doubt whatsoever that its continuing presence influenced thousands of buying decisions. 

Accordingly, when it finally arrived in the Defender in 2021, it was no surprise that the combination proved compelling. In fact, in the blustery wake of the SVR, some were more taken aback by how understated the car seemed, Land Rover choosing to blend the V8’s performance into the existing (and much-admired) handling dynamic rather than tying the air-sprung chassis down. Of course, we now know what we could only guess at back then: that all the trick hardware was being saved for the hydraulically interlinked dampers of the OCTA, a model which is clearly a real-world version of the SVX in all but name. That car is meant to drive like a well-appointed Baja 1000 entrant. The Defender V8, as we said at the time, is more like a supercharged grizzly bear. 

It speaks volumes that some of the engineers responsible for the OCTA, when questioned about the decision to go with BMW’s mild-hybrid 4.4-litre turbocharged V8, conceded that the newer engine could not rival the AJ-V8 for rousing personality, despite its obvious advantage in output. Revisiting the Defender last month, even with the engine significantly quieter than it once was, it is the old-fashioned, up-and-at-‘em attitude - about as distant from electrification as a steam train is from magnetic levitation - that separates the experience from virtually every other SUV currently boasting more than 500hp. Even in the more spritely 90, it feels about as well prepared for a lap of the Nordschleife as your mother-in-law would be - which, for once, ranks as a compliment. Drive it virtually anywhere else, but especially to a nice country pub at the end of a mazy B road, and you’ll convince yourself that all is well with the nation. 

Granted, the same journey in a lithe and devilishly attractive Jaguar might have ultimately exceeded it on the feel-good-o-meter, but this is about being thankful for the cars we have, not remorseful for those we don’t. There’s also something to be said for giving the big V8 a serious kerbweight to push against - in the F-Type there was a limit to how often you could floor it in good conscience; in the Defender, where 5.2 seconds to 62mph is the best you can possibly hope for, you can downshift almost to your heart’s content. Or for as long as the prospect of single-figure economy figures doesn't scare the bejesus out of you. But there’s always the phenomenally good D350 if that’s a concern. The V8 version, palpably close to the end now, belies such considerations for a basic truth: it’s Land Rover’s best engine, in its best car. If you’ve ever been tempted, now is absolutely the time. 


SPECIFICATION | LAND ROVER DEFENDER 90 V8

Engine: 5,000cc, V8, supercharged
Transmission: 8-speed auto, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 525@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 461@2,500-5,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.2 seconds
Top speed: 149mph
Weight: 2,546kg (unladen)
MPG: 19.9
CO2: 321g/km
Price: £114,325

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Familymad

Original Poster:

1,305 posts

233 months

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I helped a close mate buy a new one in 2023. It’s got bags of character and is quick. JLR dealer in Aylesbury has been awful and it also has comically thin windscreen glass as she has been through 3 windscreens in 25k.

She loves it but the dealership experience for a £125k car will mean it’s her first and last LR.

Augustus Windsock

3,629 posts

171 months

Saturday
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Familymad said:
I helped a close mate buy a new one in 2023. It s got bags of character and is quick. JLR dealer in Aylesbury has been awful and it also has comically thin windscreen glass as she has been through 3 windscreens in 25k.

She loves it but the dealership experience for a £125k car will mean it s her first and last LR.
A new metric to measure cars consumption by, ‘windscreens per mile’; who would have thunk’d it?

CG2020UK

2,667 posts

56 months

Saturday
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Couldn’t bring myself to risk owning for one the obvious reliability issues but have to say I think these looks brilliant!

wistec1

633 posts

57 months

Saturday
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Great review and I've been considering a test drive demo on these for a while having said that I doubt a mazy drive down a B road even if there is a pub at the end of it will reassure me that all is ok with the nation because it's not. The country is ffffecked.

GreatScott2016

1,908 posts

104 months

Saturday
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Yep, love the look of the 3 door but what a premium for the V8. Probably worth it though, once behind the wheel smile

pb8g09

2,828 posts

85 months

Saturday
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A beast to be behind the wheel no doubt.

But what’s not to love? Being sat behind one on the outside lane and not being able to see a thing past it whilst the owner road captains the A3 past Guildford….

GianiCakes

474 posts

89 months

Saturday
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[quote=Familymad]I helped a close mate buy a new one in 2023. It s got bags of character and is quick. JLR dealer in Aylesbury has been awful and it also has comically thin windscreen glass as she has been through 3 windscreens in 25k

I hadn’t heard they’re thin before, just quite vertical and therefore more vulnerable to impact, but it is a known issue. I read about that and had mine wrapped. You don’t notice any difference and I’ve had no issues at all in that same mileage.

el romeral

1,653 posts

153 months

Saturday
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Such a chunky and capable looking little thing. The only thing not to love for me and likely most people (even reasonably well off ones) would be the 6 figure price tag. Just how things are these days though,

Cold

16,052 posts

106 months

Saturday
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CG2020UK said:
Couldn t bring myself to risk owning for one the obvious reliability issues but have to say I think these looks brilliant!
What obvious reliability issues do the V8 Defenders have?

Bolin27

10 posts

112 months

Saturday
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Can't stand these things. Way too big imo

LightweightLouisDanvers

2,557 posts

59 months

Saturday
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Looks lovely apart from the God awful matt black paint.

cerb4.5lee

37,699 posts

196 months

Saturday
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If I had the money to run one, then I'd love one. A combined 19.9mpg in this will soon start to hurt if you're doing any meaningful mileage in it I would've thought? I used to get 12mpg in the X5 4.8iS on my commute for example.

3dr Defenders are really cool I think(especially V8 ones!). smokin

biggbn

27,336 posts

236 months

Saturday
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cerb4.5lee said:
If I had the money to run one, then I'd love one. A combined 19.9mpg in this will soon start to hurt if you're doing any meaningful mileage in it I would've thought? I used to get 12mpg in the X5 4.8iS on my commute for example.

3dr Defenders are really cool I think(especially V8 ones!). smokin
Always wonder about these big engined behemoths Lee. Im sure there is a readers cars thread for a 4.8is X5 and it was returning mid twenties MPG over a long holiday. Was your commute really short?

cerb4.5lee

37,699 posts

196 months

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biggbn said:
Always wonder about these big engined behemoths Lee. Im sure there is a readers cars thread for a 4.8is X5 and it was returning mid twenties MPG over a long holiday. Was your commute really short?
22 miles each way, but I just couldn't stay off the throttle because I loved the noise so much. thumbup

Wheel Turned Out

1,513 posts

54 months

Saturday
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Really it's a bloody stupid pointless thing.

I'd like one very much indeed. biggrin

biggbn

27,336 posts

236 months

Saturday
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cerb4.5lee said:
biggbn said:
Always wonder about these big engined behemoths Lee. Im sure there is a readers cars thread for a 4.8is X5 and it was returning mid twenties MPG over a long holiday. Was your commute really short?
22 miles each way, but I just couldn't stay off the throttle because I loved the noise so much. thumbup
Ah, now we get to the real story... A second gen Cayenne with the n/a 4.8 V8 in GTS spec is a car I really want to own at some point and I suspect I'd have the same problem as you... smile

GianiCakes

474 posts

89 months

Saturday
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biggbn said:
Ah, now we get to the real story... A second gen Cayenne with the n/a 4.8 V8 in GTS spec is a car I really want to own at some point and I suspect I'd have the same problem as you... smile
Can confirm. I had a first gen Cayenne turbo and the trip computer indicated around 12 mpg average. Unfortunately that was optimistic and the real story, measured at the pumps, was quite a bit worse than that.

biggbn

27,336 posts

236 months

Saturday
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GianiCakes said:
biggbn said:
Ah, now we get to the real story... A second gen Cayenne with the n/a 4.8 V8 in GTS spec is a car I really want to own at some point and I suspect I'd have the same problem as you... smile
Can confirm. I had a first gen Cayenne turbo and the trip computer indicated around 12 mpg average. Unfortunately that was optimistic and the real story, measured at the pumps, was quite a bit worse than that.
The Turbo doesn't have the same appeal. In my fevered imagination, a 4.8 GTS is the spiritual successor to my old 928...


...I did say fevered... smile

pb8g09

2,828 posts

85 months

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biggbn said:
Ah, now we get to the real story... A second gen Cayenne with the n/a 4.8 V8 in GTS spec is a car I really want to own at some point and I suspect I'd have the same problem as you... smile
My brother has this exact car and the best way to describe it when he puts his foot down is ‘thunder’.

martin12345

780 posts

105 months

Saturday
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Makes my heart feel warm to feel the love for the JLR SC engine given 35 years ago I helped engineer the first supercharged engine at Jaguar and figured out that the combination of an Eaton Roots supercharger coupled with an air-coolant-air charge cooler would deliver "Jaguar" performance. I then helped engineer the original supercharged AJ-V8 which worked out the packaging with the supercharger in the middle of the V and a pair of charge coolers over each cyl head which just about every supercharged 90 deg V6 and V8 has adopted ever since gave a really compact package without hurting the performance. From the AJ16 through the 4.0l and 4.2l AJ-V8's to the 5.0l AJ133, the basic boosting package has stayed the same, just improved a bit each time (the step from the M112 to the TVS 1900 for the 5.0l in particular gave a very useful uplift of power at high RPM)

The 5.0l engine was "meant" to die when the Bridgend plant closed in 2020 but the demand was such that JLR moved the production line to Telford. Then it was meant to die in 2023 when LR started using the BMW V8 but still it survives because V8 plus supercharger plus charge cooler delivers such a nice package of torque, power, response and noise

Let's hope it keeps surviving for a few more years !!