RE: Tesla quietly drops Model S and Model X in Europe
RE: Tesla quietly drops Model S and Model X in Europe
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Tesla quietly drops Model S and Model X in Europe

Existing stock aside, neither car appears on the configurator - bringing down the curtain on an EV mainstay


If the past decade has taught us anything, it’s that Tesla doesn’t operate by the normal rules. Part genuine innovation, part reality distortion field. Discussion of its helium-powered share price used to provoke endless conversations about whether the market could be relied upon to correctly value anything anymore; discussion of Elon Musk’s 50 billion dollar pay package was so febrile that a court in Delaware struck it down. And that’s before you get onto the subject of how it builds its cars and to what standard and how they sold and, finally, how they actually drive. 

Traditionally, any objective discussion of the latter was machine-gunned by a fanbase that bordered on the fanatical. They had drunk the Musk Kool-Aid by the quart - so much so that some are even inclined to ignore the bizarre, blow-up-in-your-face firework display that was his friendship with President Trump, and all the saluting and firing and shamefulness it involved. Not Tesla itself, though, we hasten to add: in fact, the firm has just offered Mr Musk a 29 billion dollar pay package designed to a) significantly increase his voting rights via the 96 million shares it confers, and b) ensure that he commits to being a part of the leadership team for at least another two years. 

The ripples from that announcement will continue for some time, no doubt - especially as it comes amid a dramatic slowdown for Tesla, triggered at least in part by a nosedive in popularity that occurred during the period that Mr Musk heavily endorsed President Trump. The brand continues to sell more EVs in the US than any other carmaker, although according to data collected by S&P Global Mobility and shared with Reuters, its sales have declined by 8 per cent so far this year in its domestic market - and by 33 per cent in Europe, where his political machinations have been given in shorter shrift. 

In comparison, the (unannounced) removal of the Model S and Model X from European configurators seems like small beer. Particularly in the UK, where both cars were only available as left-hand drive variants anyway - effectively killing them as a viable option for most buyers. But the broader implication is that interest in the older, larger models has tapered to such an extent that it no longer makes sense to sell them in Europe, even though Tesla very recently went to the trouble of lightly facelifting both. 

Assuming this is the final nail in the coffin, it is an ignominious end for the Model S, a multi-award-winning car that blazed a trail not only for its brand, but for EVs in general, establishing battery-powered models as a viable option beyond major cities for the first time. As such, while it was preceded by the Roadster, the long-running liftback remains synonymous with Tesla and very much woven into its origin story. Its increasingly outrageous output (and the increasingly outrageous names describing them), peaking with more than 1,000hp from the tri-motor Plaid, set the benchmark for every other OEM to chase. 

At any rate, both cars will continue to be sold in the States, although for how much longer is an open-ended question. European buyers can still take advantage of remaining stock via the Tesla website, though when that is exhausted, that will likely be it, with apparently no like-for-like replacement in the pipeline. Indeed, much of that pipeline is now devoted to the next big thing: i.e. robotaxis and the licensing of autonomous driving tech to other manufacturers. An investor reportedly told Reuters: “If Tesla succeeds in expanding the technology, there’s a case to be made that Tesla doesn’t need to sell cars and trucks anymore.” So much for the rules. 


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Gruntled

Original Poster:

163 posts

95 months

Yesterday (20:28)
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Getting rid of Musk related businesses is an act of hygiene.

J4CKO

44,499 posts

216 months

Yesterday (20:35)
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Wonder if they will replace them ?

I like the model S.

J4CKO

44,499 posts

216 months

Yesterday (20:37)
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Eh, thought the S and X had long since been discontinued in the UK ?

riskyj

443 posts

96 months

Yesterday (20:38)
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J4CKO said:
Eh, thought the S and X had long since been discontinued in the UK ?
They were available for a while as left hand drive only, so as good as.

ChrisCh86

1,046 posts

60 months

Yesterday (20:40)
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Now they just need to discontinue the 3 and Y...

The Model S and X are irrelevant anyway as they sell in such low volumes. Tesla really need some innovation and some new products to justify the ridiculous share / stock price, which is based purely on hype and the prospect of imminent Robo-taxis.

Tesla set the pace back and revolutionised the industry, but the product just isn't good enough (and doesn't cater to enough different groups of people) against the tidal wave of competition coming from the Koreans, Chinese, French and everyone else!

Edited by ChrisCh86 on Monday 4th August 20:42

GeniusOfLove

3,752 posts

28 months

Yesterday (21:15)
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The Model S is the only decent looking one, although a long low car is about the easiest thing to make look good.

Maybe investing in replacing these ancient models rather than absolute nonsense like the cybertruck would have been a good idea.

MDL111

7,953 posts

193 months

Yesterday (21:22)
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Model S is the only one that actually looked quite nice and had decent proportions (relatively speaking)

greggy50

6,231 posts

207 months

Yesterday (21:29)
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Tesla will be struggling in another 3-4 years Musk is a nutter and the Chinese have already caught up or in many ways already surpassed them.

martin12345

779 posts

105 months

Yesterday (21:31)
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Meanwhile, in Tesla Land (the world of inflated stock prices and dreams and fantasies) the Board wants to pay Elon 29 Billion USD !! to cover his "good work" over the past 8 years and for the next 2 years

So that's an average of 2.9 billion USD a year or $55 million a week

Admittedly it is a "payment" in shares and he can't sell them for 5 years. So if the Tesla price were to crash to 50% of the current value it would only be ~ $25 million a week

There is the 1% and then there is the 1% of the 1% and then there are people like Musk - unbelievable


Meanwhile. Tesla are fighting a court case to be allowed to pay him 50 billion rather than the 29 billion but a US court said it (50 billion) was too much

Marc H

248 posts

170 months

Yesterday (21:36)
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I think they stayed looking really nice. 'benchmark for every other OEM to chase'.... OEM or car manucturer? Continental are an OEM, for example.

Mr-B

4,091 posts

210 months

Yesterday (21:41)
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MDL111 said:
Model S is the only one that actually looked quite nice and had decent proportions (relatively speaking)
+1

The Y is the worst of the bunch, looks like a hunchback version of the 3 with an obesity problem.

Dave Hedgehog

15,088 posts

220 months

Yesterday (21:43)
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martin12345 said:
Admittedly it is a "payment" in shares and he can't sell them for 5 years.
He simply sells the shares he has, banks the money and keeps the new ones

Watch out for an announcement of world changing proportions of something amazing Tesla is about to do that’s totally not vapourware hours before he sells up

Dave Hedgehog

15,088 posts

220 months

Yesterday (21:44)
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J4CKO said:
Wonder if they will replace them ?

I like the model S.
Cybertruck, S and X production numbers have been tiny for a long time

stevemcs

9,513 posts

109 months

Yesterday (21:52)
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I still think they will stop making cars altogether and become a supplier of infrastucture, so supplying batteries, motors and charging infrastucture, something they appear to be good at.

Augustus Windsock

3,627 posts

171 months

Yesterday (21:56)
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Perhaps I a getting old but when I read that Tesla want to pay Musk $29bn, I couldn’t bring myself to buy one of their mobile white goods as in my antiquated mind it would feel like I’d be funding his lifestyle rather than buying a car.
However as I have never had any interest in owning an EV, let along a Tesla, my view is pretty irrelevant…

TerryFarquit

103 posts

143 months

Yesterday (21:58)
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Stand back and let all the other players cut each other’s throats, and then buy up a premium brand like jaguar for a song.

abzmike

10,435 posts

122 months

Yesterday (22:00)
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Any sign of the roadster? Seems to be taking a while to emerge…

Sebring440

2,761 posts

112 months

Yesterday (22:00)
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PH fella said:
Though when that is exhausted, that will likely be it, with apparently no like-for-like replacement in the pipeline.
J4CKO said:
Wonder if they will replace them ?

Motormouth88

617 posts

76 months

Yesterday (22:03)
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Excellent, the lesser of these fat bloated barges on our roads the better (can be said for most cars these days I know)

BVB

1,159 posts

169 months

Yesterday (22:38)
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Good riddance. Hopefully all other Tesla models will leave our shores soon.