F Pace has possibly committed engine suicide

[TheHighlander]

As above

The infamous F Pace Sport 2.0D

So the story goes

Wife called me on Wednesday to say the F Pace cut out and was sluggish.

Today I took it a run and it didn’t feel right
Then critical oil level light came on (oil level is fine)
Went to fire it up and it wound over then started
Ran Ok for a few miles to get it to a safe place
Then started sound ruff.

It has been needing a cam sensor which is due to arrive on Monday
BUT I think the timing chain tensioners have failed or it’s jumped/stretched

The rattle is from the rear of the engine where the chain is and not the bottom end.
Sluggish to start

https://youtube.com/shorts/jUfUjmHYldk?feature=sha...

https://youtube.com/shorts/8JutdipksLw?feature=sha...

The sound quality is shocking on the phone.

On Monday we are going to take a proper look at it.

I’m hoping it’s the chains and I’ll buy the kit.

The cheapest engine I’ve found is £3700.

Pray for me 🙈
Oh and it’s out of warranty

[TheHighlander]

CantDecide said:

Not sure if this is the same problem, but there is a long running thread in Readers Cars: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Thanks for that.

Just putting the kids to bed then going to open some beers, read some more pain on Jaguars and cry myself to sleep😂

We had a Range Rover Sport before this but as usual the wife wouldn’t listen 🙈😂

[TheHighlander]

Mij91 said:

It's like they took they copied all the bad bits of the N47 and took it a long. The engine is a liability.

I’ve bought a JLR disc with all the guides for changing the chains.

Found a good video of a chap doing it on a disco which is similar.

Subframe/gearbox off and go from there.

I need

Special cam locking tool - Amazon £100
Chain kit with tensioners £130
Full service kit - Was already on route from AUTODOC
Cam sensor - Got a genuine one from AUTODOC for £40

Already fitted a new piston cool solenoid and DPF this year - Luckily scored a DPF off a 2000 mile one for £230 in Birmingham 😂

If it’s not the chains it may need a rebuild but I’ll get another engine, fit that then rebuild the other one to sell.

[TheHighlander]

Yep came from eBay. All the sensors attached.

Had the flanges cut either side (not on the DPf side) the chap was breaking a couple of SVRs as well.

Sold the knackered DPF to the scrappy for £120 aswell.

[TheHighlander]

stevemcs said:

Are you sure it needed the cam sensor ? It can sometimes indicate chain stretch and it doesn't like what it sees,

It showed the fault last week must of been a warning shot 🙈

Spoke to a Jaguar tech - sent him the videos.

He said it’s definitely the chains he has advised me to get a chain kit with the VVT as well so I’ve ordered that and the tool for it. Will do it week after next.

[TheHighlander]

surveyor said:

He may even be looking to unload some of the tools...

Too late I bought the tools - was only £100.

I’m impatience got the better of me. I just want to have everything ready for when we tackle it next week.

[TheHighlander]

Heaveho said:

You have my sympathies, but I'll never understand why people put themselves through the trauma of owning this sort of thing.

Me neither.

When we sold our Range Rover Sport my wife really wanted a F Pace 🙈 I never drive it so I figured it can’t be as bad as a Range Rover.

I was wrong…..

[TheHighlander]

Keep your fingers crossed for me.

Purchased the tool today for locking the engine, managed to get it for £97 and the timing chain kit with VVT for £255 from a JLR specialist.

If it’s just the chain kit and this gets it running we are trading it in the day after, will need to take a loss on it but I think it’s better than the latter.

DPF is new
New timing chain kit
Camshaft sensor
Piston oil cooling solenoid
Turbo under warranty and has 12k on it

All the common issues are resolved. But personally I want to part ways with it, my friend thinks keeping it could be a good idea but I think not.

Not sure what to replace it with if we do but we can figure that out later.

If it needs an engine I’ll stick new chains on it whilst it’s not in the car and probably keep it for a bit as we will be in deep cash wise 😂🙈

Rafts of ste.

I know of others having trouble free miles but it seems a bit of a lottery.

[TheHighlander]

carinaman said:

That'll be a new one?

From Escy's thread the engines are so prone to going wrong there's very few used engines available that are any good and the ones that may be good, or less bad, are highly priced.

Sorry when I say new I was meaning new to myself.

I’ve found a few from bare engines at £2700 to complete at £3600ish up to £6k

Again I hope it doesn’t come to this.

Thanks for the video, I just wish my chains were on the side, unfortunately they’re on the rear of the engine but I found a video of a chap doing it on a discovery and you drop the subframe/gearbox and it gets you access.

Next week will tell.

[TheHighlander]

jonwm said:

Sorry to hear of your woes.

I remember telling my brother in law about these 2.0d's when he ordered his back in 2018, he's done about 75k in it over the 4 and a bit years and never had a single issues with it, just normal servicing, since covid and working from home is more prevalent his wife uses it to take / collect kids in it twice a day at 2 miles tota, it mainly does short journeys nowadays and never warms up, never had a single DPF light

Just shows you have different 2 cars can be, his is the manual 163bhp one if that makes a difference.

Yep, they're not all bad but surely after we do this and the chains fix it there is not much more that can go wrong haha.

Just need to wait. I will take some photos when doing it etc as this is way out of my league - I certainly didn't expect to be doing a job of this calibre on the Jag. It will be a bit of fun if it works........If not there will be many tears.

[TheHighlander]

That’s all the pieces of the puzzle arrived now along with the special tools.

Towing it round to the my pals garage on Wednesday evening and a 7am start on Thursday. Fingers crossed this fixes it.

Going to trade it in on Saturday or take it to WBAC.

[TheHighlander]

havoc said:

Because they only offer a 3-year warranty, and consumer protections in the UK are more limited than they should be. (I suspect in the USA JLR are offering a LOT more goodwill than they do here)


Many people talk about there 'not being a bad car out there anymore', and it's hard to disagree with them from an objective perspective (ignoring reliability).

...but when JLR manage to consistently f-over so many customers, you do have to wonder how they're still going...


(I have to be honest though - I don't get why we still see borked engines through anything other than user-error. ICE tech is so mature, for one, and while I get people are stretching things to hit emissions targets, it doesn't sound like it's necessarily the emissions-related stuff that's failing.)

It’s bizarre in the day an age that engines are so soft. Could it be that the fact everything is mass produced on a cheaper scale.

I’ve owned a Evoque which had its issues, L494 RR Sport and it was grief and now the F Pace.

I’ve had Cossys, evos, Imprezas, M3s just to name a few, all big power and I was very hard on them and never had half the issues we have with these newer vehicles.

Either way I need to fix this raft and make a decision 😂 the wife is now saying she wants to keep it. I never drive it I just fix the thing but I wonder if we fix this what the next thing could be..

[TheHighlander]

Well after 11hrs we removed the gearbox etc etc

Fitted new chains/guides and sprockets.

Timed it all up and it’s still rattling 😭

We think it’s got a broken rocker so going to to check that next week.

If it’s that, gearbox and timing gear off again 😂

I’ll be a Jaguar Master Tech at this rate, horrible prick of a vehicle to work on. Anyway I’ve parked it up and away for the weekend so will sort it next week

[TheHighlander]

So the new engine came.

We issue with it, when silverlake were removing the engine they cracked the sump - They called me to let me know and dropped £250 off it which is fair enough - It was a pain to swap the sumps but none the less we cracked on.

Silverlake did a good job of removing the old engine - We were only missing a few pipes but most importantly the wiring loom etc and all plugs were not broken.

So we dropped the front subframe with the engine/box attached, then disconnected the gearbox, removed the front shafts, sump etc.

It was a pig of a job, got it all back in and it would appear silverlake somehow cracked the EGR cooler - No hassle so just swapped mine over.

Anyway she fired up no problem and isn't leaking and surprisingly enough there are no warning lights on.

Tonight we are going to put the front end on properly, sort the air con, refill the autobox and then it's job done.

13hrs in total - Me of my mate have never done a job this big bearing in mind we are not mechanics either.

For some reason the forum won't let me upload the photos, it could be my work laptop.

I should add when we removed the sump there was big end bearing shards etc lying in it and it would appear the oil pump had failed.

[TheHighlander]

Dog Star said:

Impressive tenacity in getting the job done!
Looking forwards to the pics.

I will upload them from my phone in a second.

I've never been so sore the next day, the workshop my mate borrowed has been "well used" so there engine hoist etc wasn't really up for it but we just cracked on and got it done.

[TheHighlander]

We bagged every bolt as to where it came off so all the engine ones in a bag, gearbox, rad pack etc and we have only been left over with a couple and they’re from the rad pack so putting them in tonight.

[TheHighlander]

It has been hell if I'm honest. There is literally no information online on how to do the jobs, I bought a CD from ebay and it wasn't any use either but we had no option other than to get stuck in.

Main dealer washed their hands of it even tho we have full main dealer service history - I couldn't be arsed fighting with them either as the wife needs a vehicle for ferrying the 2 girls about - I gave her a vehicle from the engineering company I run to use but it has not been ideal as I have been using a van instead for work which hasn't been ideal.

What has been the hardest job was the changing of the timing chains then the engine was still rattling - Took the rocker cover off and nothing was broke.

We just got stuck in and went at it. Made a few mistakes but figured it out along the way. They are horrible vehicles to work on.

The new engine sounds lovely.

I don't want to do any work on it again, even a puncture and I will push it into the harbour haha.

[TheHighlander]

troika said:

Good God, what do folks do who aren’t star mechanics with facilities? What’s a main dealer going to charge for that little lot?!

I got a rough quote from them and they wanted.

£3200 in labour for inspection and removal

Engine price they couldn't give me as there wasn't a price on the system.

The main dealer up here is hellish - I had issues with them when the wifes Range Rover had problems when it had warranty.

Thanks all, I don't recommend it but I now feel I have the skills of a Jaguar Mastertech after this.

[TheHighlander]

Krikkit said:

Impressive, nice space to work on too, a 2-post makes many jobs better

I'm a clean freak so it was upsetting me all the ste that was lying around. The chap who has the ramp doesn't like chucking anything out.

The one thing I will say about Jaguar is that not one bolt was seized or broken or even rounded during this operation.

[TheHighlander]

P. ONeill said:

At least they got something right on these awful engines.

That's about the only thing to be honest.

I will keep the old engine for spares as the turbo etc is good on it.