993 values

[Orangecurry]

Pickled Piper said:

Orangecurry said:

Mine's 18 years old, and it feels fine to me.

But then everybody tells me I'm not normal.

It may not be the original, it may be 18 years old and perfectly OK, or like me you may have just got used to the pedal pressure. I think most people change them when they start slipping or if the engine is dropped for another reason.

pp

It's original.

Don't forget that the standard service-schedule brake-bleed operation should include bleeding the clutch-slave as well..... but I don't think many garages, OPC or 'specialist' have bothered over the past 20 years.

It's very difficult to access in-situ. When I did mine, the brake fluid expelled from the slave 'dead-end' was black.

If they are never bled = poor clutch operation, 993er goes to a 'specialist' who says 'you may as well put in a new clutch for reason a/b/c', as if by magic the clutch is much lighter as the slave now has new fluid in it.

My 993 and my Spec.B have both (spookily) just clocked over 60k miles, and the clutch operation is very similar.

[PHC]

Almost ever UK car has the sunroof which is very annoying.
Be careful I looked at some cars where mileage and condition did't go together previous owners doing the old clock swap for 10 months a year shocking.

[Wozy68]

PHC said:

Almost ever UK car has the sunroof which is very annoying.
Be careful I looked at some cars where mileage and condition did't go together previous owners doing the old clock swap for 10 months a year shocking.

PHC, please don't take this the wrong way.

When it comes to selling mine (if ever). Please don't come and have a browse around it. I cleaned it today, and it has the odd light scratch; at some time of its life it has had some paint, the leathers a bit shiny on the driver bolster etc, but it has a full and traceable history.

I think your looking for something with 25K to spend that should really be a garage queen, less than 40K miles on the clock and that's going to cost 35-40K at least...... if such a beasty actually exists.

But then you couldn't use it, if you could find one. You'd be watching the trip going around and around, which will knock the enjoyment of just using what it was designed for, ie a 12 months of the year in its day high performance sports car, and I can't see much point in that.

If you find something with original mileage, a good history, but it will cost 5K to put it right, so be it. At least then you would know that everything was up together and new.

Just my opinion

[LaurasOtherHalf]

a rare foray into the porsche forum for me (into the lions den & all that)...

i've said it before & i'll say it again, a 993-any 993 is a bargain at the current costs involved. you want a modern day 993-type built car?

go see singer & see what they're charging

personally i think they're all things to all men, you can build an RS clubsport stripped out racer that'll be as much fun as you can handle or a C4S that'll take you to verbier in perfect comfort & speed whilst still being a ball on the mountain passes.

i honestly think there are no bad 993s, just ones not bought for purpose.

that some can call the widebodied cars crap is beyond a joke & indicative of the daft comments on this site from "experts" that make me seldom post any longer, good grief!

i would say there are hugely varying standards of cars out there however, i looked at some utter dog's dinners before i bought mine but should you manage to find a good example i think they're pretty much (in my opinion) the pinnacle of the 911 evolution.

lovely things wish i'd never sold it!

[Crimp a Length!]

Wozy68 said:

Crimp a Length! said:

Plate goes with the car mate ste.
Sheep in wolfs clothing very over-rated.
If i ever want to back AC it would be a 964 or IB car far prettier.

fk me, you only kept the last 3.2 about a week and you maybe want to go back there again?

Slightly longer than a week TBH, but when there's money to be made everythings for sale, but so much prettier............

[Magna]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

i honestly think there are no bad 993s, just ones not bought for purpose.

that some can call the widebodied cars crap is beyond a joke & indicative of the daft comments on this site from "experts" that make me seldom post any longer, good grief!

Sound like wise words.


Your old 993 looks fantastic!

[Steve Rance]

A lot to be said for these busses. As said earlier, reasonably easy to convert to RS Clubsport spec which makes a VERY decent track tool but more importantly light and not hugely powerful which makes for extremely cheap track costs compared to a GT3. My club sport costs about £700 per track day when run on slicks. Compare this to £1000 per day for a 996 GT3 and probably closer to £13-1400 for a 991.

[Steve Rance]

That's what it costs. My RSR weighs in at 1090kg. It's extreme lightweight spec but a more comfortable spec can still be 1200kg. 996 GT3 generally around the high 1300's 997 low to mid 1400's.

If you think that £700 is expensive for a track day, compare that to £25k per race for Carrera cup to get a perspective. Big GT cars are NOT cheap to track but in this context the 993 is buttons

[Boo152]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Early 993s without aircon were 1320kg. It was only the later bloated widebodys that were heavier than early 996s.
HTH.;)

[PHC]

Loads for sale in France far more than in the UK many loaded with A/C and Heated seats I can't remember seeing a non Turbo with heated seats in the UK.



http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/offres/ile_de_fra...

[jimmy p]

PHC said:

Loads for sale in France far more than in the UK many loaded with A/C and Heated seats I can't remember seeing a non Turbo with heated seats in the UK.



http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/offres/ile_de_fra...

.... but the steering wheel is on the wrong side!!!

[shoestring7]

jimmy p said:

PHC said:

Loads for sale in France far more than in the UK many loaded with A/C and Heated seats I can't remember seeing a non Turbo with heated seats in the UK.



http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/offres/ile_de_fra...

.... but the steering wheel is on the wrong side!!!

I'd have one. The driving position is much better in a lhd car - there's no throttle pedal off-set towards the centre of the car. I get an aching hip after an hour with a right hooker.

SS7

[Carl_Docklands]

balamory said:

from looking in the classifieds 993 seem to be going skywards price wise, im really thinking of getting into a 993 as a second car , preferably a Carrera 2 , does anyone else agree ?? opinions guys please ??

The 993 is a great hobby car, do you like doing your own maintenance work?

According to the classifieds my 997 Turbo has not dropped a penny since I bought it in November 2012. There is alot of asset pumping going on at the moment due to cheap money so pinch of salt required on all used sports car prices at the moment.

They are nice to look at the 993, as nice to drive? Not the ones I have been lucky enough to try but they seem to hold their money due to their avid fan base following. Maintenance costs can give you a nose-bleed if you buy badly or are un-lucky. Like I have said before, there is many a sob story to tell about 993's and 964's which don't get printed in these humble pages.

To most of their owners, the 993 remains a solid hobby car because you can tinker with it yourself and there is a great 'scene' built around it and the rest of the Air-cooled lineup. Are they superior in overall build quality to a Gen2 997? I don't think so but the 997 cannot be tinkered with in the same way so it will always lack a hobbist appeal. Parts are cheap on the 993 and so is the labour costs, even from OPC.

I think the 993 offers something unique but I think all the generations of Porsche's offer something unique in their own way, even the often derided 996 C2.

That said if i had to go air-cooled would go LHD 964 or 930 Turbo.

I find it tough to talk up the air-cooled cars at the moment as the sports cars Porsche produced during 2009/10 were just sensational and there is so much cheap and reliable fun to be had with these cars before I would consider an air-cooled car.

[PHC]

shoestring7 said:

jimmy p said:

PHC said:

Loads for sale in France far more than in the UK many loaded with A/C and Heated seats I can't remember seeing a non Turbo with heated seats in the UK.



http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/offres/ile_de_fra...

.... but the steering wheel is on the wrong side!!!

I'd have one. The driving position is much better in a lhd car - there's no throttle pedal off-set towards the centre of the car. I get an aching hip after an hour with a right hooker.

SS7

Yes agreed and if you only drive it at the weekend and use it for Euro Hols then LHD may be a better option.
Integrales are all LHD.
IMO RHD is more of an issue in Europe due to the type of roads ie lots of overtaking roads where in the UK LHD isn't a problem.


These gen 2 997 pdk cars are becoming stonking value at mid £30k's yes they will still fall in price but so much car for the money with that fantastic steering feel every bit as good as a 993 maybe better.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2014...

Edited by PHC on Tuesday 11th February 08:49

[Carl_Docklands]

Blimey, thats alot of car for the money.

[Wozy68]

PHC said:

shoestring7 said:

jimmy p said:

PHC said:

Loads for sale in France far more than in the UK many loaded with A/C and Heated seats I can't remember seeing a non Turbo with heated seats in the UK.



http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/offres/ile_de_fra...

.... but the steering wheel is on the wrong side!!!

I'd have one. The driving position is much better in a lhd car - there's no throttle pedal off-set towards the centre of the car. I get an aching hip after an hour with a right hooker.

SS7

Yes agreed and if you only drive it at the weekend and use it for Euro Hols then LHD may be a better option.
Integrales are all LHD.
IMO RHD is more of an issue in Europe due to the type of roads ie lots of overtaking roads where in the UK LHD isn't a problem.

Edited by PHC on Tuesday 11th February 08:49

I'd say it was the other way around. LHD in the UK is compared to using a RHD abroad a total pain. At least abroad there are usually less cars. I drive a lot through Spain, North to South and never had a problem in my RHDs. Here in the UK, my LHD 911 was a nightmare unless it was 6am in the summer on a Sunday or in the wilds of Wales or Scotland..

[shoestring7]

Wozy68 said:

PHC said:

shoestring7 said:

jimmy p said:

PHC said:

Loads for sale in France far more than in the UK many loaded with A/C and Heated seats I can't remember seeing a non Turbo with heated seats in the UK.



http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/offres/ile_de_fra...

.... but the steering wheel is on the wrong side!!!

I'd have one. The driving position is much better in a lhd car - there's no throttle pedal off-set towards the centre of the car. I get an aching hip after an hour with a right hooker.

SS7

Yes agreed and if you only drive it at the weekend and use it for Euro Hols then LHD may be a better option.
Integrales are all LHD.
IMO RHD is more of an issue in Europe due to the type of roads ie lots of overtaking roads where in the UK LHD isn't a problem.

Edited by PHC on Tuesday 11th February 08:49

I'd say it was the other way around. LHD in the UK is compared to using a RHD abroad a total pain. At least abroad there are usually less cars. I drive a lot through Spain, North to South and never had a problem in my RHDs. Here in the UK, my LHD 911 was a nightmare unless it was 6am in the summer on a Sunday or in the wilds of Wales or Scotland..

The 993 is the last of the narrow 911s with small A pillars and a windscreen just a foot from your nose. It means visibility is very good already and you have the ability to use the width of the road to increase your view. I can't recall the last time I had problems overtaking with my led 911- other than the usual issue following a stopping bus in town.

SS7

[ChrisW.]

balamory said:

Mate ? Your no mate of mine clown

[Wozy68]

balamory said:

ChrisW - The () Stalker !

Edited by balamory on Saturday 15th February 19:56

I don't think so; he was, I guess slightly surprised by your response to 'Crimps' response. As I was also.

[balamory]

You don't like then don't read it - simple really