what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

[barryrs]

Looks really tidy; however, the interior colour is likely to have as many fans as detractors.

[ATM]

barryrs said:

Looks really tidy; however, the interior colour is likely to have as many fans as detractors.

Yes a home made Hartech'ed early 996 in Artic and Nephrite sold a few months ago for early 20's and it was also aero. But if the guy wants low mileage there is not many to choose from.

[Swine Enthusiast]

ATM said:

You have no idea what you are buying.

You want to see things like Clutch, Flywheel, Clutch pipe, Water pipes, AC pipes, PAS pipes, Brake pipes, Suspension bits, Alternator, Starter, window regulators, door latches etc etc. Otherwise this will all start failing in short order if they are original. That's before we start talking about a rusty underside.

Now obviously you will never find a car for sale with all of these jobs done - I dont think they exist - but some of these done is better than none.

The people here who have recently given up on early 996 ownership have ran into lots of these problems head on and then walked away. Ideally we dont want this to happen to You.

Thanks, spoke with the sellers and it was an unfortunate estate sale car. Correct in my assumptions as well that the car, while low mielage and OEM, most likely will need multiple parts replacing and confirmed no IMS/RMS done either.

Looks lovely and I don't mind the interior colour tbh but might be priced a bit too keen.

[Fast Bug]

I never liked Nepherite, but I'd take it over 90's slip on shoe grey like mine has

[MrBen986]

Swine Enthusiast said:

Looks lovely and I don't mind the interior colour tbh but might be priced a bit too keen.

I would suggest it's priced a lot keen!

[Chris Stott]

ATM said:

You have no idea what you are buying.

You want to see things like Clutch, Flywheel, Clutch pipe, Water pipes, AC pipes, PAS pipes, Brake pipes, Suspension bits, Alternator, Starter, window regulators, door latches etc etc. Otherwise this will all start failing in short order if they are original. That's before we start talking about a rusty underside.

Now obviously you will never find a car for sale with all of these jobs done - I dont think they exist - but some of these done is better than none.

The people here who have recently given up on early 996 ownership have ran into lots of these problems head on and then walked away. Ideally we dont want this to happen to You.

Mine’s had all that done (and more)… some jobs twice… and some are ready to be done for a third time

That car’s over priced and poor colour combination… that interior would look great on a black car, but not silver.

[stuckmojo]

Chris Stott said:

Mine’s had all that done (and more)… some jobs twice… and some are ready to be done for a third time

That car’s over priced and poor colour combination… that interior would look great on a black car, but not silver.

Agree

[jonny996]

Would be interested to see what they services were, they might even just be oil change.

[shalmaneser]

Swine Enthusiast said:

ATM said:

You have no idea what you are buying.

You want to see things like Clutch, Flywheel, Clutch pipe, Water pipes, AC pipes, PAS pipes, Brake pipes, Suspension bits, Alternator, Starter, window regulators, door latches etc etc. Otherwise this will all start failing in short order if they are original. That's before we start talking about a rusty underside.

Now obviously you will never find a car for sale with all of these jobs done - I dont think they exist - but some of these done is better than none.

The people here who have recently given up on early 996 ownership have ran into lots of these problems head on and then walked away. Ideally we dont want this to happen to You.

Thanks, spoke with the sellers and it was an unfortunate estate sale car. Correct in my assumptions as well that the car, while low mielage and OEM, most likely will need multiple parts replacing and confirmed no IMS/RMS done either.

Looks lovely and I don't mind the interior colour tbh but might be priced a bit too keen.

Careful with that IMS/RMS talk around here, especially when discussing an early car...

if it's a dual row IMS (which it should be as a very early car) and the RMS isn't leaking (pretty obvious when inspected) both of those should be left well alone IMO. Plenty of other stuff to go wrong first!

[ATM]

Like buses

This one is 30 thousand pounds

This one lists a decent amount of work and also some mods

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/335120641226

[shalmaneser]

Swine Enthusiast said:

I am longing for a 996 early car;

Saw this - https://www.ashleynickells.com/porsche-911-996-car... - thoughts?

- Sportcontact 2's are date stamped '14, nearly ten years old!
- tyres aren't matching across the front axle? premiumcontact/sportcontact?
- wrong exhaust tips for an early car
- mesh on front bumper looks crap
- engine mounts are shot

Not much of an issue individually but these would need to be fixed for £28k.

I'll sell you my 75k miler with none of those issues for £25k!

Edited by shalmaneser on Wednesday 15th November 20:35

[Swine Enthusiast]

shalmaneser said:

Swine Enthusiast said:

I am longing for a 996 early car;

Saw this - https://www.ashleynickells.com/porsche-911-996-car... - thoughts?

- Sportcontact 2's are date stamped '14, nearly ten years old!
- tyres aren't matching across the front axle? premiumcontact/sportcontact?
- wrong exhaust tips for an early car
- mesh on front bumper looks crap
- engine mounts are shot

Not much of an issue individually but these would need to be fixed for £28k.

I'll sell you my 75k miler with none of those issues for £25k!

Edited by shalmaneser on Wednesday 15th November 20:35

Great spot. I spoke to the garage and well, I'm not super confident. They said the exhaust is after market.

Think it's a no from me, shame as, on the face of it, looks great. Alas, underneath, seems it needs a lot of work. As an estate sale it was likely an older chap who probably had other concerns rather than updating and fixing his motor.

[jonny996]

The last few posts seem to be getting back to focusing on mileage again.

What are everyone’s thoughts on mileage, would you rather have a 75k car fully serviced or a 125k car fully serviced with a Hartech build around the 100k mark?

Just curious

[ATM]

jonny996 said:

The last few posts seem to be getting back to focusing on mileage again.

What are everyone’s thoughts on mileage, would you rather have a 75k car fully serviced or a 125k car fully serviced with a Hartech build around the 100k mark?

Just curious

I'd probably take the Hartech car. But it really depends on more things. I am a little more sensitive to colours. So if the 75k car was speed yellow and the Hartech car silver I would take the yellow one. I was tempted by the silver Hartech car a few months ago but it was silver so I didnt jump.

Also the earlier 3.4 is less prone to scoring so Hartech isn't such a big deal on these although it is a nice to have of course. Chris has one of these on 200k plus and it has the original engine. You wont find many 997 cars like that.

[stuckmojo]

jonny996 said:

The last few posts seem to be getting back to focusing on mileage again.

What are everyone’s thoughts on mileage, would you rather have a 75k car fully serviced or a 125k car fully serviced with a Hartech build around the 100k mark?

Just curious

Just by logic, if someone was willing to spend at least £10k to have a Hartech rebuild, the rest of the car will have been looked after too. No brainer for me. (Then again, 3.4 is a very strong engine, but it depends on the condition).

[Swine Enthusiast]

jonny996 said:

The last few posts seem to be getting back to focusing on mileage again.

What are everyone’s thoughts on mileage, would you rather have a 75k car fully serviced or a 125k car fully serviced with a Hartech build around the 100k mark?

Just curious

Hartech car for me. Mileage isn't a concern so long as the car is in good nick.

[Ed.Neumann]

stuckmojo said:

Just by logic, if someone was willing to spend at least £10k to have a Hartech rebuild, the rest of the car will have been looked after too. No brainer for me. (Then again, 3.4 is a very strong engine, but it depends on the condition).

Not always.

I looked at a 997.1 a few months back with full Hartech build, the car was a mess.


Paintwork was tatty, suspension was really tired, coolant pipes leaking and even the clutch was really heavy and obviously needed doing. The fact that was not done when the engine was out sort of told me everything.
The interior was also really not looked after at all well.
Seller kept saying it was now coming up to 20 years old, to be expected. Yeah, fine if priced right, but some others out there for the same price are close to new condition.


I think he thought if he spent the money on a Hartech rebuild he would suddenly have a £30k car regardless.

A knocking 997.1 is probably worth £12-15k, absolute tops. Spend £10-12k getting the Hartech done and many will see that as £29k car. If everything else is spot on yeah. But if it needs another £8-10k of work then it is a terrible buy still.

We seem obsessed in this country on how shiny it looks and mileage. A complete rebuild on a 150k car with 200 pages of invoices and people still ignore it over a 75k mile car that is now going to need all that doing soon. I find it bizarre.


I also don't get all the posts where people put a link to an advert up and ask what people think?
Errr, yeah, photos look nice.
That's all you can say.

[ATM]

Ed.Neumann said:

stuckmojo said:

Just by logic, if someone was willing to spend at least £10k to have a Hartech rebuild, the rest of the car will have been looked after too. No brainer for me. (Then again, 3.4 is a very strong engine, but it depends on the condition).

Not always.

I looked at a 997.1 a few months back with full Hartech build, the car was a mess.


Paintwork was tatty, suspension was really tired, coolant pipes leaking and even the clutch was really heavy and obviously needed doing. The fact that was not done when the engine was out sort of told me everything.
The interior was also really not looked after at all well.
Seller kept saying it was now coming up to 20 years old, to be expected. Yeah, fine if priced right, but some others out there for the same price are close to new condition.


I think he thought if he spent the money on a Hartech rebuild he would suddenly have a £30k car regardless.

A knocking 997.1 is probably worth £12-15k, absolute tops. Spend £10-12k getting the Hartech done and many will see that as £29k car. If everything else is spot on yeah. But if it needs another £8-10k of work then it is a terrible buy still.

We seem obsessed in this country on how shiny it looks and mileage. A complete rebuild on a 150k car with 200 pages of invoices and people still ignore it over a 75k mile car that is now going to need all that doing soon. I find it bizarre.


I also don't get all the posts where people put a link to an advert up and ask what people think?
Errr, yeah, photos look nice.
That's all you can say.

This car was for sale for months and didnt sell. Tells you a lot I think about what these cars are worth after a Hartech rebuild.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

From another Thread said:

ATM said:

ATM said:

Matt_E46 said:

ATM said:

ATM said:

ATM said:

ATM said:

This one reads well

2005
C2S manual
Hartech rebuild in last 10000 miles
Resprayed
New Clutch and Fly
New Coolant Pipes
New injectors

32000 English Pounds

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185827168469

This is back

Now 29995

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185957944670

This one says Sold

And now it is back, but now the same seller is asking only

27995

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186064350838

What is the general consensus with regard to this on paper at least? A good buy?

Been in my watch list since it appeared at 32. Now only 27.5 so not sure what you need to know. I think it could be good buy. It's definitely worth a look.

No longer available Matt_E46, did you buy it?

It's back

And now it is 27

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186109619549

[RTPT]

Apologies if this has been posted already, but it appears the Cat C Zanzibar is now on eBay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325877609996

[Pflanzgarten]

RTPT said:

Apologies if this has been posted already, but it appears the Cat C Zanzibar is now on eBay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325877609996

That st-box has been on eBay off and on for at least two years now, possibly three.