991 GT3 Gen 2

[RSVP911]

TheAnimal said:

Correct. OPC offered to flip my new 991 RS for profit that I bought from them and give me a 911R. I refused, because there were no specs out on the R at the time so I didn't know what it was.. that's life!

Isn't that amazing ! Lucky you; I offered them my 991RS at list for an R - not interested - that's life too I guess

[av185]

RSVP911 said:

Av as much as I'd like you to be right - I'm with the moose on this - I bet there will be loads of them in the indies yet again - just look at the R

Thanks R!

I think the 911 R is the extreme in this scenario.

There are reasonably accurate figures to suggest that the first few flipped cars sold for around £1million....although the latest car sold at auction for £475k ish I believe.

At that kind of mark up I think it would truly test the integrity of most people not to sell.

Incidentally I couldn't get an R! But I know 2 OPCs in different groups who's DPs seriously vetted those who were allocated one and guess what.....those people still own the cars.

[Cheib]

av185 said:

Incidentally I couldn't get an R! But I know 2 OPCs in different groups who's DPs seriously vetted those who were allocated one and guess what.....those people still own the cars.

Someone I used to work with who owns an R and is shall we say quite a high profile car enthusiast told me that 2 of the 4 R's that OPC Reading were allocated have been flipped.

[n17ves]

av185 said:

Without naming names, I can categorically state that at least 9 OPCs across 3 groups located thoughout the 'Midlands and North Midlands' have specifically excluded anyone from obtaining another GT car allocation due to them flipping a GT3 GT4 Spyder or RS outside the network.

And I can confirm exactly the same for a handful of OPCs in north of England.

[Fish]

I know similar is being discussed at my OPC. The DP and Sales manager are taking it very personally that someone has flipped..

[robgt3]

[quote=n17ves]

And I can confirm exactly the same for a handful of OPCs in north of England.

Customer allocation of GT3 Gen 2 will be based on their provenance which will be determined by their buying and selling history history to date. My understanding with my OPC is that information is collated, recommendations are made and then passed to MD level who will decide who is to be able to buy the car . Porsche and their dealers are very determined to stamp out cars being flipped out of the dealer network. Plus no dealer is allowed to take a deposited order for the car until they have a confirmed allocation. Believe me I have tried! Quite how an OPC copes with the situation where they have a serial car buyer who is buying multiple cars each year from within the company group and then does flip a GT model I have no idea. Will they tell him no chance when he tries to buy another?

[throt]

Exactly, Rob. My OPC ( or where I purchased my 991GT3 from ) told me they are not taking deposits or LOI,, all that is done with now. He told me the decision goes to the DP as who gets an allocation. I kept my 991 GT3 and they know I am waiting to part ex it for a GT3.2 via a call I made a long time ago. They didn't want LOI or deposit or a cheque posted, they just rechecked with me that all my contact details were the same..

[av185]

robgt3 said:

Plus no dealer is allowed to take a deposited order for the car until they have a confirmed allocation.

But the OPCs will have no idea of their allocation on the date the car is announced and deposits are taken. With the GT4s, several OPCs were taking up to 50 deposits on the basis they would receive 50 cars and yet their first allocation was only for around 5 cars despite further cars being released but only up to an average of around 15 per OPC. Many OPCs clearly thought that by taking many more deposits than likely cars that they would receive a greater allocation. This is what creates a degree of resentment when deposits are returned especially when those not getting a car see the flipping cars a few months later sitting in the showroom at a substantial premium.

This scenario was initiated only after the 991 GT3....in fact I ordered mine in the Autumn of 2013 many months after the car was announced and was lucky enough to secure one of the last cars. People saw the premiums and this created the bunfight from speculators and the subsequent GT4/RS/Spyder situation.

It appears a number of OPC groups have now decided to take only a 'reasonable' number of initial deposits from non flipping pre vetted invited customers on the next cars announcement presumably in an attempt to prevent upsetting potential customers however the mere fact that PGB by and large allow their OPCs a free rein in running their dealerships how they like will inevitably mean a repeat of the GT4 scenario and many frustrated potential GT3 customers will have their deposits returned.

But......its all good in the name of branding...:

[franki68]

jimmyslr said:

10 cars, keep in the good books, get a special nod/wink.... I do hope this isn't the reality. It's a car, a nice one we all hope, but not something off the scale. I hope Hunter is right and that they'll ratchet up the numbers so that those who fancy one, because they like the drive, will get get one.

Deep breath...

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I've not bought 10 cars from opc's ,although I have had about 10 porsches but I am on the dealers shortlist for the car apparently(fingers crossed).They did say they cut out all the people who have flipped cars and wanted to supply customers who keep their cars .

[RSVP911]

av185 said:

Thanks R!

I think the 911 R is the extreme in this scenario.

There are reasonably accurate figures to suggest that the first few flipped cars sold for around £1million....although the latest car sold at auction for £475k ish I believe.

At that kind of mark up I think it would truly test the integrity of most people not to sell.

Incidentally I couldn't get an R! But I know 2 OPCs in different groups who's DPs seriously vetted those who were allocated one and guess what.....those people still own the cars.

All of those numbers are simply bonkers - the worlds gone mad !

I've never flipped one of mine yet - but I agree at those levels it would test anyone's integrity

[MDL111]

RSVP911 said:

av185 said:

Thanks R!

I think the 911 R is the extreme in this scenario.

There are reasonably accurate figures to suggest that the first few flipped cars sold for around £1million....although the latest car sold at auction for £475k ish I believe.

At that kind of mark up I think it would truly test the integrity of most people not to sell.

Incidentally I couldn't get an R! But I know 2 OPCs in different groups who's DPs seriously vetted those who were allocated one and guess what.....those people still own the cars.

All of those numbers are simply bonkers - the worlds gone mad !

I've never flipped one of mine yet - but I agree at those levels it would test anyone's integrity

Would not have had to think about for more than a day if somebody had offered me a high 6 digit number for my imaginery R .... so do I want to own a CGT, F40, 2.7RS or R mmmhhhh - the decision which one is not in the top 3 could a tually be taken in less than a minute

[RSVP911]

MDL111 said:

Would not have had to think about for more than a day if somebody had offered me a high 6 digit number for my imaginery R .... so do I want to own a CGT, F40, 2.7RS or R mmmhhhh - the decision which one is not in the top 3 could a tually be taken in less than a minute

I agree with you entirely - my imaginary R would be swapped for a CGT instantly - just goes to show we all have a price.

I feel cheap and dirty now

[isaldiri]

MDL111 said:

Would not have had to think about for more than a day if somebody had offered me a high 6 digit number for my imaginery R .... so do I want to own a CGT, F40, 2.7RS or R mmmhhhh - the decision which one is not in the top 3 could a tually be taken in less than a minute

While I think the suggested £1m ish or whatever is complete nonsense, as has been pointed out before, the people actually buying a R for £400-500k probably already have a cgt, 2.7rs and F40........and likely just fancied a R.

[notsomadmick]

Just to add a recent experience of my own.
I placed a LOI in April 2011 with my OPC for a GT3 991.2. (I've bought 13 previous Porsches from 3 OPCs since 1999.)
Sometimes I sell private, sometimes I do S+R with OPC. Last year I bought an early Macan GTS, did 4K miles, kept it 3 mths, then sold privately.
(The bubble was popping and I needed to avoid loosing cash, since I was saving real hard for a 'probable' GT3 991.2.)
However, because I sold to a trader (who did not export as was first believed by OPC), I was removed from the OPC GT3 991.2 list.
I have had to pedal very, very, hard to get my self re-instated on that list. A tough lesson. Needless to say, I for one, won't be going elsewhere/flipping.
As driver first and foremost, I love their GT cars. So be warned...

[Slickhillsy]

Questions...

On a new model / variant launch - at what point does the configurator become available on the website (before show / during show / after show / ...)?

Post launch, at what point would dealers know their allocation / unit numbers?

Finally, historically once those allocation numbers are known how quickly afterwards do dealer start contacting the lucky few? One would imagine they would have their prospective customer lists in good shape by now and would just be awaiting the number of units to be confirmed and then they can jump on the phones...?

[gbrown2014]

Slickhillsy said:

Questions...

On a new model / variant launch - at what point does the configurator become available on the website (before show / during show / after show / ...)?

Post launch, at what point would dealers know their allocation / unit numbers?

Finally, historically once those allocation numbers are known how quickly afterwards do dealer start contacting the lucky few? One would imagine they would have their prospective customer lists in good shape by now and would just be awaiting the number of units to be confirmed and then they can jump on the phones...?

Usually it will be on the configurator a few days after the show, in terms of your allocation question its not like dealers are given a final number which covers the whole production run on day 1. They may get an initial allocation of lets say 10, and then 6 months later get another 5 and then a final 5 so total 20. I gather if your asking this your not No.1 on a OPC's list, but if you keep showing an interest you will likely get a later car, just like with the 991 RS

[Slickhillsy]

gbrown2014 said:

Slickhillsy said:

Questions...

On a new model / variant launch - at what point does the configurator become available on the website (before show / during show / after show / ...)?

Post launch, at what point would dealers know their allocation / unit numbers?

Finally, historically once those allocation numbers are known how quickly afterwards do dealer start contacting the lucky few? One would imagine they would have their prospective customer lists in good shape by now and would just be awaiting the number of units to be confirmed and then they can jump on the phones...?

Usually it will be on the configurator a few days after the show, in terms of your allocation question its not like dealers are given a final number which covers the whole production run on day 1. They may get an initial allocation of lets say 10, and then 6 months later get another 5 and then a final 5 so total 20. I gather if your asking this your not No.1 on a OPC's list, but if you keep showing an interest you will likely get a later car, just like with the 991 RS

Thanks George, makes sense. OPC has advised I'm 19th on the list so could be a close call with either in increased number of cars built and potential drop outs ahead of me. It's one of the largest OPC's as well so they should have a healthy allocation (did last time).

Have to say I'm actually enjoying the journey. For me it would be the first time buying new and being able to configure an amazing car to my exact spec would immediately give it long term / keeper status (not in to flipping). The roller coaster of spec speculation and allocations is kinda adding to the ride (in a good way). If I don't get one will be bothered? More disappointed, but no toys will be thrown as that's the way it is. I'll happily look for a well spec'd gen 1 or maybe even a Scud to Speciale upgrade.

My fingers are crossed

[gbrown2014]

Slickhillsy said:

gbrown2014 said:

Slickhillsy said:

Questions...

On a new model / variant launch - at what point does the configurator become available on the website (before show / during show / after show / ...)?

Post launch, at what point would dealers know their allocation / unit numbers?

Finally, historically once those allocation numbers are known how quickly afterwards do dealer start contacting the lucky few? One would imagine they would have their prospective customer lists in good shape by now and would just be awaiting the number of units to be confirmed and then they can jump on the phones...?

Usually it will be on the configurator a few days after the show, in terms of your allocation question its not like dealers are given a final number which covers the whole production run on day 1. They may get an initial allocation of lets say 10, and then 6 months later get another 5 and then a final 5 so total 20. I gather if your asking this your not No.1 on a OPC's list, but if you keep showing an interest you will likely get a later car, just like with the 991 RS

Thanks George, makes sense. OPC has advised I'm 19th on the list so could be a close call with either in increased number of cars built and potential drop outs ahead of me. It's one of the largest OPC's as well so they should have a healthy allocation (did last time).

Have to say I'm actually enjoying the journey. For me it would be the first time buying new and being able to configure an amazing car to my exact spec would immediately give it long term / keeper status (not in to flipping). The roller coaster of spec speculation and allocations is kinda adding to the ride (in a good way). If I don't get one will be bothered? More disappointed, but no toys will be thrown as that's the way it is. I'll happily look for a well spec'd gen 1 or maybe even a Scud to Speciale upgrade.

My fingers are crossed

The fact on your on the list is a very good start, hopefully there will be dropouts but i see no reason why you wont get a late car, a lot of the people who complain about not getting a car(referring to non plaque here) are usually chancers with no/ little existing relationship with an opc who are just looking to make a few quid. The fact its not a limited run vehicle should help too.

Agreed, trying to find every little detail about the car on the forums, looking at this spyshots and then seeing at Geneva all add's to the excitement on collection day

[Porsche911R]

Slickhillsy said:

Thanks George, makes sense. OPC has advised I'm 19th on the list
My fingers are crossed

19th on the list for what car ? you could be 1st on the list for a manual GT3 and not get a car as the car might never happen, it's only rumor after all.

Also 19th imo will not get you a GT3 although no one is on the list for the other car launched as every one has asked to be on a GT3 list !

I would be shocked if any OPC has a dead cert list yet as the OPC's do not know what cars are coming ! and if people are on the list for a car which might never happen do they just get taken off the list for trying to jump que's on made up cars.

When the OPC take your £10k deposit you know you are on a real list.

[Robbo66]

Porsche911R said:

When the OPC take your £10k deposit you know you are on a real list.

No, you don't.