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Porsche911R said:
Slickhillsy said:
Thanks George, makes sense. OPC has advised I'm 19th on the list
My fingers are crossed
19th on the list for what car ? you could be 1st on the list for a manual GT3 and not get a car as the car might never happen, it's only rumor after all.My fingers are crossed
Also 19th imo will not get you a GT3 although no one is on the list for the other car launched as every one has asked to be on a GT3 list !
I would be shocked if any OPC has a dead cert list yet as the OPC's do not know what cars are coming ! and if people are on the list for a car which might never happen do they just get taken off the list for trying to jump que's on made up cars.
When the OPC take your £10k deposit you know you are on a real list.
In terms of deposits they will be only taken after a model is announced, OPC's got in trouble with PGB as they took deposits from customers thinking it would guarantee a car when obviously it wouldn't
Porsche911R said:
19th on the list for what car ? you could be 1st on the list for a manual GT3 and not get a car as the car might never happen, it's only rumor after all.
Also 19th imo will not get you a GT3 although no one is on the list for the other car launched as every one has asked to be on a GT3 list !
Lucky I'm one of the few who will tick the PDK box then... Also 19th imo will not get you a GT3 although no one is on the list for the other car launched as every one has asked to be on a GT3 list !
No idea what the 'other car' is you are mentioning. TBH no ones knows till Porsche go public. What we do know is it will be a GT3 - good enough for me. Just stating facts, I've had healthy monthly contact with my OPC and have a good relationship. The wife and I were invited in for a very nice meet and greet with the dealer principle just before Christmas where our expectation was set. Reason he isn't taking £10K from anyone now is that Porsche (his words not mine) have instructed not to do so until they know their allocations. He even went so far as to say there are reports of legal action from someone who previously paid their £10k and are 'attempting' to sue Porsche for lost profit opportunity when they had their cash returned. Bonkers or what...
Anyways... Looking forward to seeing shots from Geneva this weekend and the config tool go live.
gbrown2014 said:
The GT3 is being released at Geneva and OPC's will have a rough idea of who they are going to get allocated to, with the list being slightly longer than expected allocations to allow for dropout's etc. the 'other' car you refer to i assume is the 911T, it will likely be a plaque car and the list for those will have been determined a long time ago.
In terms of deposits they will be only taken after a model is announced, OPC's got in trouble with PGB as they took deposits from customers thinking it would guarantee a car when obviously it wouldn't
Unfortunately the criteria for allocation has changed somewhat due to cars being flipped and the negative stories in the press. Website traffic on PH or elsewhere will have had little effect but the stories which made it to the national press will have caused concern in the Porsche GB PR department. Each OPC will have it's own list of interested parties and make up their mind who gets offered a car from this. History, relationship and locality to the dealer (for servicing revenue) will all be factors imho. No doubt there will still be plenty for sale within weeks of release but Porsche need to manage it better this time.In terms of deposits they will be only taken after a model is announced, OPC's got in trouble with PGB as they took deposits from customers thinking it would guarantee a car when obviously it wouldn't
BubblesNW said:
gbrown2014 said:
The GT3 is being released at Geneva and OPC's will have a rough idea of who they are going to get allocated to, with the list being slightly longer than expected allocations to allow for dropout's etc. the 'other' car you refer to i assume is the 911T, it will likely be a plaque car and the list for those will have been determined a long time ago.
In terms of deposits they will be only taken after a model is announced, OPC's got in trouble with PGB as they took deposits from customers thinking it would guarantee a car when obviously it wouldn't
Unfortunately the criteria for allocation has changed somewhat due to cars being flipped and the negative stories in the press. Website traffic on PH or elsewhere will have had little effect but the stories which made it to the national press will have caused concern in the Porsche GB PR department. Each OPC will have it's own list of interested parties and make up their mind who gets offered a car from this. History, relationship and locality to the dealer (for servicing revenue) will all be factors imho. No doubt there will still be plenty for sale within weeks of release but Porsche need to manage it better this time.In terms of deposits they will be only taken after a model is announced, OPC's got in trouble with PGB as they took deposits from customers thinking it would guarantee a car when obviously it wouldn't
Porsche911R said:
Slickhillsy said:
Thanks George, makes sense. OPC has advised I'm 19th on the list
My fingers are crossed
19th on the list for what car ? you could be 1st on the list for a manual GT3 and not get a car as the car might never happen, it's only rumor after all.My fingers are crossed
Edited by n17ves on Tuesday 28th February 16:45
Porsche911R said:
......you could be 1st on the list for a manual GT3 and not get a car as the car might never happen, it's only rumor after all.
You told us there will definitely be no 991.2 GT3 Manual! So, we've all cancelled our orders 
Am I the only one who thinks this 'mystical' 911T will be something between the mainstream production models (GTSs, etc) and the GT3, but produced in sufficient volumes to placate those who don't get a GT3?
Anyway, I'm not losing any sleep, it's all speculation until we know for sure.
I agree that looking at it, a 911T type car with GT3 engine and manual gearbox just wouldn't be built as it'll basically be a 911R.
Porsche really will be squeezing models into gaps where there is hardly any room for example in-between a GTS and a GT3 using a 3 litre turbo.
But then making the GT3 slower with a manual gearbox is, as Moose says, a confusing message.
To me though, I think they'll make a more affordable manual 991 version of the GT4 thats not as limited as the R which you would think is the GT3!.
If the GT3 doesn't come with a manual they'll have to build something but as I've said before, it makes sense that they continue now with a 991T and possible E (electric - who knows!) now that they've revived the 911R.
The next gen of 911's will very possibly now be Hybrids or at least more Hybrid across the range with the Pan Turbo S now being a Hybrid car.
For me I'll be as happy with a PDK as I will be with a manual in the new GT3. Both will be superb.
Porsche really will be squeezing models into gaps where there is hardly any room for example in-between a GTS and a GT3 using a 3 litre turbo.
But then making the GT3 slower with a manual gearbox is, as Moose says, a confusing message.
To me though, I think they'll make a more affordable manual 991 version of the GT4 thats not as limited as the R which you would think is the GT3!.
If the GT3 doesn't come with a manual they'll have to build something but as I've said before, it makes sense that they continue now with a 991T and possible E (electric - who knows!) now that they've revived the 911R.
The next gen of 911's will very possibly now be Hybrids or at least more Hybrid across the range with the Pan Turbo S now being a Hybrid car.
For me I'll be as happy with a PDK as I will be with a manual in the new GT3. Both will be superb.
Fokker said:
I agree that looking at it, a 911T type car with GT3 engine and manual gearbox just wouldn't be built as it'll basically be a 911R.
Porsche really will be squeezing models into gaps where there is hardly any room for example in-between a GTS and a GT3 using a 3 litre turbo.
If they do build a 911T what's to say it wont be a duplicate of an R, albeit targa/convertible... bit like the speedster and Sport design classic. This is pure speculation though, I have not seen or heard anything to confirm there is even an 911T in the pipeline other than the rumours spread across Rennlist and here.Porsche really will be squeezing models into gaps where there is hardly any room for example in-between a GTS and a GT3 using a 3 litre turbo.
Fokker said:
But then making the GT3 slower with a manual gearbox is, as Moose says, a confusing message.
The GT3 is not just about laptimes though, that's exactly what the RS is for. The only real danger is having a 991.2 GT3 that is as fast as the 991.1 GT3 RS, particularly if there is no 991.2 RS on the horizon.anonymous said:
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That'll be exciting, I'm actually at the show that day - although not until 12.00, and Porsche 'theatricks' normally like to unveil at 09.11.I really hope it does come with the R's a 'manual' gearbox, as widely anticipated, but I'm more hoping that the de-spoilered aerokit is an option.
Its a tricky situation. If the GT3 badged car is PDK only, then those of use hankering for a manual GT3 will want this 'other car'/911T/whatever to have the same motorsport/track credentials.
If the 'other car' has a turbo engine, 991 7 speed manual box (ie non 911R 6 speed), GTS+ if you like, then it will not attract the right interest, many of the manual GT3 crowd will drop out, and the naysayers will point to how there is no demand for a manual car. Maybe by making it a plaque special it will counter the reduced interest in the engineering platform by increasing interest in the vanity fair (I've got a limited edition Porsche, etc).
For me, I would like to see an NA engine (Motorsport derived so targeting track use), 6 speed shorter ratio box a la 4.0RS or 911R, locking diff, clubsport pack (cage & buckets), and suspension targeting sporting use (the GT4 suspension was a good compromise if a little soft for hard track use). The rest of the car can be std 911/parts bin/etc. But maybe that is not what Porsche are going to build. Let's see.
If the 'other car' has a turbo engine, 991 7 speed manual box (ie non 911R 6 speed), GTS+ if you like, then it will not attract the right interest, many of the manual GT3 crowd will drop out, and the naysayers will point to how there is no demand for a manual car. Maybe by making it a plaque special it will counter the reduced interest in the engineering platform by increasing interest in the vanity fair (I've got a limited edition Porsche, etc).
For me, I would like to see an NA engine (Motorsport derived so targeting track use), 6 speed shorter ratio box a la 4.0RS or 911R, locking diff, clubsport pack (cage & buckets), and suspension targeting sporting use (the GT4 suspension was a good compromise if a little soft for hard track use). The rest of the car can be std 911/parts bin/etc. But maybe that is not what Porsche are going to build. Let's see.
Edited by LaSource on Wednesday 1st March 12:59
Agreed, if they offer both a PDK and Manual, but the Manual is somewhat nerfed to avoid it stepping on the toes of the R (smaller engine, turbo etc), then I'd opt for the PDK. I cannot see it happening, maybe a 911T is coming, but if that suggests a 'tourer', then it isn't a GT3 at all. I still suspect the GT3 will be a 4.0lt available in both transmissions.
Porsche911R said:
19th on the list for what car ? you could be 1st on the list for a manual GT3 and not get a car as the car might never happen, it's only rumor after all.
Also 19th imo will not get you a GT3 although no one is on the list for the other car launched as every one has asked to be on a GT3 list !
I would be shocked if any OPC has a dead cert list yet as the OPC's do not know what cars are coming ! and if people are on the list for a car which might never happen do they just get taken off the list for trying to jump que's on made up cars.
When the OPC take your £10k deposit you know you are on a real list.
My OPC does not want any 10k off me. I heard 10k's are taken by OPC's to hopefully enhance their chances of securing more GT3's than the next OPC..Also 19th imo will not get you a GT3 although no one is on the list for the other car launched as every one has asked to be on a GT3 list !
I would be shocked if any OPC has a dead cert list yet as the OPC's do not know what cars are coming ! and if people are on the list for a car which might never happen do they just get taken off the list for trying to jump que's on made up cars.
When the OPC take your £10k deposit you know you are on a real list.
He knows I will part ex mine up for the Gen2 and said he will call me. At my OPC its down to the DP who gets one, I'm told.....
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