991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

[Porsche911R]

m88ony said:

Again only to you. For me on track it’s only PDK.

That’s just my opinion.

you can buy the new GT3 in PDK you know :-) I never bought up gearbox bar what I would want.

[Porsche911R]

Swimfinz said:

Porsche911R said:

For me it's a manual buy though so no choices bar going back in time to a 2011 RS.

LOL— Reading your posts is a continual re-iteration of my own bloody dilemma....!! Modern tech manual Gen2 GT3, or outdated tech 997.2 GT3-RS.... Arghhh....!!

If only I could learn to love PDK, my options would be sooooo much greater....!!

lol and Mine I would buy a 458 if I went for an Auto :-)

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

Porsche911R said:

Also Look at the 675lt it was a tech fest and ultra fast the basic 720s makes it look daft.
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Only to you. The 720 is a faster car but it's nowhere even close to being as good a car to drive and I'm not the only person to thinks that by any means.

both tech fests so imo you just want faster, the LT is dull imo vs a new manual GT3,

I don't want a car which does it all and the Macca's are only about 1 thing, speed and being faster than what Ferrari do.

570 Spider is a nice lifestyle car mind you and it does steer nice.

[RSVP911]

Swimfinz said:

LOL— Reading your posts is a continual re-iteration of my own bloody dilemma....!! Modern tech manual Gen2 GT3, or outdated tech 997.2 GT3-RS.... Arghhh....!!

If only I could learn to love PDK, my options would be sooooo much greater....!!

Edited by Swimfinz on Sunday 3rd June 12:55

Not sure what you mean re outdated tech on a 997.2 RS - you should drive one - it is an unbelievably visceral and engaging car - IMHO one of Porsches finest.

I know both cars very well (997.2 RS/991.2 GT3 Manual) and they are both brilliant - but they are different - one is not "better" than the other and in truth, I think I'd take a 997.2 RS over a 991.2 GT3 manual if I had to choose ; it's a very tough call, but I would definitely not right off a 997.2 RS;


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/anything-goes/p...

[JulierPass]

Porsche911R said:

Not these days as cars get better with tech the new GT3 is a better car than the old RS in quite a few area,s and the engines are night and day apart.

Older cars are what they are, modern cars are pushing into crazy places, look at the new RS tech now over the old RS , the old one feels out classed by quite a margin.

Also Look at the 675lt it was a tech fest and ultra fast the basic 720s makes it look daft.

We are in a funny place with tech imo, all the older cars which are more involving ended in 2011, any car after that is just getting better and better, also gen 1 tech always feels dated when gen 2's come out. Gen 1 PCCB, gen 1 PDK, gen 1 RWS, gen 1 EPS all now feel a bit dated and date the cars in a bad way.

That's not entirely correct. I own both and can honestly say the 991.1 RS is the better car. The engine in the 991.2 GT3 is marginally better, but the chassis in the RS is better and if you put the new R compound cup 2's on it the GT3 won't know which way it went. As someone else said it's also and RS, which speaks for itself.

That said the GT3 has the more compliant (read more like a boggo carrera 2) ride quality, so would make the better euro road trip companion, and it has apple car which is nice.

[Porsche911R]

JulierPass said:

That's not entirely correct. I own both and can honestly say the 991.1 RS is the better car. The engine in the 991.2 GT3 is marginally better, but the chassis in the RS is better and if you put the new R compound cup 2's on it the GT3 won't know which way it went. As someone else said it's also and RS, which speaks for itself.

That said the GT3 has the more compliant (read more like a boggo carrera 2) ride quality, so would make the better euro road trip companion, and it has apple car which is nice.

The RS is not making up 8 seconds on standard cups, so to say which way it went is a bit far fetched as the standard GT3 ran standard cups. Dated tech sorry to say, new RS is king if you want to win on track days now. RS in name means nothing bar on car parks and collectors.

[Crackedwinscreen]

Let’s not kid ourselves the GT cars are not built for daily driving, they are for weekend hoons and European trips. As good as the GT3 is you know the Porsche engineers have held back for the full fat RS.

[JulierPass]

Porsche911R said:

The RS is not making up 8 seconds on standard cups, so to say which way it went is a bit far fetched as the standard GT3 ran standard cups. Dated tech sorry to say, new RS is king if you want to win on track days now. RS in name means nothing bar on car parks and collectors.

As I said I own both and also race a cup car. And I'm not talking 1 car up or the other down. Go and drive both and you'll see what I mean.

[Phooey]

JulierPass said:

That said the GT3 has the more compliant (read more like a boggo carrera 2) ride quality

I agree - quite amazing how well the .2GT3 rides considering how low and stiff it is - Porsche voodoo magic going off somewhere! Apart from a few pings from the cage you'd think you were in a C2S on 90% of roads. Can only speak from a passenger perspective on the .1RS but the RS felt more track focussed (in a shake your bones kind of way). Even going back to 997 variants (and I'm sure 996 too) - Porsche definitely build / tune / set up RS models much more track focussed than the regular GT3. The standard GT3 has always been the better road car and vice versa

[Porsche911R]

JulierPass said:

As I said I own both and also race a cup car. And I'm not talking 1 car up or the other down. Go and drive both and you'll see what I mean.

it's still 8 seconds slower, so until a time is posted on the faster track, no one really knows.
I thought the "will not see which way it went" comment was a bit much :-)

The new RS is a mind blowing time under 7 minutes.

23 seconds is hugh on the ring from one RS to the other.

[v8ksn]

Porsche911R said:

... it's a bit much as a road car to exploit in full and at the overs price one can buy some very nice toys. My head is torn atm.....

Sell ALL your cars apart from the 987 Spyder and buy an F458 Speciale. You know that engine is what you really want

[Porsche911R]

v8ksn said:

Sell ALL your cars apart from the 987 Spyder and buy an F458 Speciale. You know that engine is what you really want

I did the maths still cannot afford it lol

[v8ksn]

Porsche911R said:

I did the maths still cannot afford it lol

Keep them all then! The Manual 991.2 GT3 will be like a unicorn in the future and the touring GT3 will be rarer still....and future values will reflect that.

[Swimfinz]

Porsche911R said:

v8ksn said:

Sell ALL your cars apart from the 987 Spyder and buy an F458 Speciale. You know that engine is what you really want

I did the maths still cannot afford it lol

Do some “man maths”— always seems to make things more achievable....!! Sell me your manual GT3, and my wife the 987 Spyder (she’s always hated me for selling that car...!!): you know it’s the right move...

[Taffy66]

I'm sort in the same dilemma with too many cars, and not enough time to drive them all...Owning a few nice cars which don't get driven often is a waste IMO..I keep looking at other cars and trying to find one car which will tick all boxes..Trouble is with the superb weather we've had on the West coast in the last month, its the Spyder's keys i grab and not the GT3's.
I suppose in an ideal world i'd have a 570 Spyder Track pack with a secure hardtop and top down motoring at a touch of a button..Trouble is i love Porsches too much which are pretty painless from an ownership POV..
Maybe i should press my OPC for the new 991 Speedster instead of an RS....500HP Flat 6, 6 speed manual and drop top if i need..

[Porsche911R]

Swimfinz said:

Do some “man maths”— always seems to make things more achievable....!! Sell me your manual GT3, and my wife the 987 Spyder (she’s always hated me for selling that car...!!): you know it’s the right move...

ahh the perfect pair of cars..... sadly would only sell both at the daft money end of the scale atm.

[JulierPass]

Porsche911R said:

it's still 8 seconds slower, so until a time is posted on the faster track, no one really knows.
I thought the "will not see which way it went" comment was a bit much :-)

The new RS is a mind blowing time under 7 minutes.

23 seconds is hugh on the ring from one RS to the other.

Your right, but I don't think all is as it seems. I do about 8 days a year at the ring. I was there last week and had a good chat with a friend of mine, Werner Gusenbauer (google him he's pretty handy round there!) and he reckons the new tarmac and the changes they have made to undulations and grip levels is the biggest he's seen in 30 years of racing there and worth a good 50% of the time the 991.2 made on the 991.1. The rest is tyres and spring rates.

It would be a great if 000 magazine could send Dickie Meaden out in all 3 cars on the same tyres to get a real world point of reference.

[Swimfinz]

Porsche911R said:

Swimfinz said:

Do some “man maths”— always seems to make things more achievable....!! Sell me your manual GT3, and my wife the 987 Spyder (she’s always hated me for selling that car...!!): you know it’s the right move...

ahh the perfect pair of cars..... sadly would only sell both at the daft money end of the scale atm.

..... Was worth a shot....

[Purple Man]

There's a lot of different views here and the word 'king' has been used.
One guy said he had both cars.
Be lets all admit it, I've got a new GT3 and I've been in the Gen 2 GT3RS, I've also driven the Gen 1 GT3RS.
The KING of all Porsches, after me being taken round Oulton Park for ten laps in one, is, by some margin the GT2RS.
If I had both GT3's, I would sell them and buy a GT2RS, because it is another level!!

[Yellow491]

Porsche911R said:

isaldiri said:

Porsche911R said:

Also Look at the 675lt it was a tech fest and ultra fast the basic 720s makes it look daft.
.

Only to you. The 720 is a faster car but it's nowhere even close to being as good a car to drive and I'm not the only person to thinks that by any means.

both tech fests so imo you just want faster, the LT is dull imo vs a new manual GT3,

I don't want a car which does it all and the Macca's are only about 1 thing, speed and being faster than what Ferrari do.

570 Spider is a nice lifestyle car mind you and it does steer nice.

I think u must have a bee in your bonnet re mclaren,the Lt is way faster,far more exciting on the road than any 911 i have owned or driven,steering that porsche can only dream about,weight that porsche cant get any where near,the 720 your right is no comparison to the lt,totaly differand drive.
The new gt3 is not that quick,its to big,to heavy and a shocking interferance by electronics,i wonder if the Manuel version is any better.