The great PCCB debate
Discussion
i have the exact brake setup on my csl and they do brake better than my 997.2 rs but when i had my 2016 GT4 with PCCB, I think they could be on par.
but, they dust and squeal and i have to get new rings annually. But I only do half a lap cool down and never have to think twice about them.
they don't look cool at all............. PCCB are cool and i do not buy the car for resale so if it gets worn i'd just box them up and change out for ST or a PFC steel setup. Bet on a mainly road car, it'll be years before i consider boxing.
but, they dust and squeal and i have to get new rings annually. But I only do half a lap cool down and never have to think twice about them.
they don't look cool at all............. PCCB are cool and i do not buy the car for resale so if it gets worn i'd just box them up and change out for ST or a PFC steel setup. Bet on a mainly road car, it'll be years before i consider boxing.
For me the biggest saving of Surface Transform over PCCB's is that I can get a year of track days out of one set of pads where with PCCB's I was getting only around three track days per set of pads due to heat damage to the pad material.
My ST's run much much cooler than PCCB's and I'm rarely out-braked ...
The driving god argument for those who like to make good use of their brakes is hardly fair ...
I'm rarely the fastest, certainly not the slowest, but probably spending less on tyres and brakes than most ... in my modified yellow GT4 ... come play ?
Next up is Donnington on the 17th ?
My ST's run much much cooler than PCCB's and I'm rarely out-braked ...
The driving god argument for those who like to make good use of their brakes is hardly fair ...
I'm rarely the fastest, certainly not the slowest, but probably spending less on tyres and brakes than most ... in my modified yellow GT4 ... come play ?
Next up is Donnington on the 17th ?
HokumPokum said:
i have the exact brake setup on my csl and they do brake better than my 997.2 rs but when i had my 2016 GT4 with PCCB, I think they could be on par.
but, they dust and squeal and i have to get new rings annually. But I only do half a lap cool down and never have to think twice about them.
they don't look cool at all............. PCCB are cool and i do not buy the car for resale so if it gets worn i'd just box them up and change out for ST or a PFC steel setup. Bet on a mainly road car, it'll be years before i consider boxing.
The AP's may not look cool or have street cred at somewhere like Caffeine and Machine, but those in the know, know exactly what they are and that they're effectively race parts loosely adapted for road use. Dust ? Definitely. Squeal ? Only when I put RS 29's in the rear 4 pots.but, they dust and squeal and i have to get new rings annually. But I only do half a lap cool down and never have to think twice about them.
they don't look cool at all............. PCCB are cool and i do not buy the car for resale so if it gets worn i'd just box them up and change out for ST or a PFC steel setup. Bet on a mainly road car, it'll be years before i consider boxing.
The originally supplied AP discs were pretty hopeless, the PF versions were far superior, but as you'll know, the RS 29's are pretty aggressive, maybe not in the Ferodo DS3000 league, but they're definitely not kind to discs !!
Overall they're the best brakes I've experienced on a road car (well apart from these that that I fitted to a 1M Coupe ...)
378mm strap drive AP's the same as the E90 M3 set up, they were scarily powerful, but near silent and incredibly smooth (both down to the discs being strap driven) and no matter what you threw at them, they could not be made to fade
HokumPokum said:
they don't look cool at all............. PCCB are cool
Then I suppose the point made earlier is - that's all good, you definitely should get them and not have to bother whether there is or isn't any rotational mass/braking performance etc that has been regularly trotted out to validate the choice of going for ceramics.
^^^^ Thats the type of slotted Brembo disc I'm putting on mine next. The ones with the little holes get cracks on them straight to the edge and whilst I'm told thats fine I have visions of them exploding! Mine don't squeal at all but the brake dust is worse than OEM. Mine have also rusted like that around the hats. Thats the annoying bit but used to it now. Seeing mine parked next to SWMBO with ceramics makes me think I shouldn't have been such a cheap skate when ordering new
Pccb are for coffee parks are they not,whats cool about a brake disc.
Yellow 29 are considered easier on the discs than most as a endurance pad,i find them great.
This disc conversion is way better than the brembo discs for longevity,Matt can supply them.
Still dont see many racers with pccb,great for road cars though.
Yellow 29 are considered easier on the discs than most as a endurance pad,i find them great.
This disc conversion is way better than the brembo discs for longevity,Matt can supply them.
Still dont see many racers with pccb,great for road cars though.
I'v never been to a cars coffee meet that must explain it. Oh I did go to one at Porsche Hatfield R21 and won best over all car but that scene just not me. When I get over my fear of meeting new people post CV19 I look forward to popping up to a track day and seeing you guys. Will try not to crash 
I assume we are all talking about road legal track cars here. ie driving to the track day and driving home. Occasionally used for runs as well on public roads. I still think that on such a car, a steel setup is superior because you can go down at least a size in alloys saving the weight that the steel disc add.
But, on a cars and coffee machine, a road car with a day or 2 spent on track a year, the scary replacement costs are a thing of the past. You still have to replace the discs but now you can either go more hardcore with steels (and wheels) or go ST (with multiple refurb options and greater longevity). Either way, no one is held ransom to OE PCCB
Like the look of these.......
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But, on a cars and coffee machine, a road car with a day or 2 spent on track a year, the scary replacement costs are a thing of the past. You still have to replace the discs but now you can either go more hardcore with steels (and wheels) or go ST (with multiple refurb options and greater longevity). Either way, no one is held ransom to OE PCCB
Like the look of these.......
|https://thumbsnap.com/mwtf8JxN[/url]
HokumPokum said:
But, on a cars and coffee machine, a road car with a day or 2 spent on track a year, the scary replacement costs are a thing of the past. You still have to replace the discs but now you can either go more hardcore with steels (and wheels) or go ST (with multiple refurb options and greater longevity). Either way, no one is held ransom to OE PCCB
You are if you want to run an extended warranty but it's OK though, the C&C guys and gals probably won't get past 3 years of ownership before moving onto the next big thing I still believe if you're planning on keeping a car for quite a few years, either in or out of warranty, that iron brakes are the way to go.
Twinfan said:
HokumPokum said:
But, on a cars and coffee machine, a road car with a day or 2 spent on track a year, the scary replacement costs are a thing of the past. You still have to replace the discs but now you can either go more hardcore with steels (and wheels) or go ST (with multiple refurb options and greater longevity). Either way, no one is held ransom to OE PCCB
You are if you want to run an extended warranty but it's OK though, the C&C guys and gals probably won't get past 3 I still believe if you're planning on keeping a car for quite a few years, either in or out of warranty, that iron brakes are the way to go.
Best wheels for a 997 Turbo IMO
HokumPokum said:
I assume we are all talking about road legal track cars here. ie driving to the track day and driving home. Occasionally used for runs as well on public roads. I still think that on such a car, a steel setup is superior because you can go down at least a size in alloys saving the weight that the steel disc add.
But, on a cars and coffee machine, a road car with a day or 2 spent on track a year, the scary replacement costs are a thing of the past. You still have to replace the discs but now you can either go more hardcore with steels (and wheels) or go ST (with multiple refurb options and greater longevity). Either way, no one is held ransom to OE PCCB
Like the look of these.......
I run these rotors on my GT4…. PFC V3. But, on a cars and coffee machine, a road car with a day or 2 spent on track a year, the scary replacement costs are a thing of the past. You still have to replace the discs but now you can either go more hardcore with steels (and wheels) or go ST (with multiple refurb options and greater longevity). Either way, no one is held ransom to OE PCCB
Like the look of these.......
They’ve been brilliant, front rotor have already blasted twice as long as OEM. And on my second set of front pads only.
But might consider a switch to ST in the medium to long term future, as the long term performance per £ nets out to be very very good. Just have to stump up for the initial conversion.
Edited by TDT on Saturday 7th August 19:33
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