I think I have decided to buy a 996 Turbo manual...

[Andyoz]

irish boy said:

This manual car close to me has just been reduced by £7k. Very reputable dealership too.



https://www.hollybrooksportscars.com/detail/used-p...

I like that. Dealers not doing car justice with those photos...I didn't realise it was GT Silver...aero and wheels are interesting

[fourwheeler]

Yea it seems decent to be fair and I'm actually in Ireland at the moment until the new year.

The photos do not do it justice at all really. They show the front spoiler.. but advert says removed.. I wonder was is just pulled off by a kerb lol.

I'm very tempted by this. If its there in new year I might have a look.

[fourwheeler]

Yea it seems decent to be fair and I'm actually in Ireland at the moment until the new year.

The photos do not do it justice at all really. They show the front spoiler.. but advert says removed.. I wonder was is just pulled off by a kerb lol.

I'm very tempted by this. If its there in new year I might have a look.

[irish boy]

fourwheeler said:

Yea it seems decent to be fair and I'm actually in Ireland at the moment until the new year.

The photos do not do it justice at all really. They show the front spoiler.. but advert says removed.. I wonder was is just pulled off by a kerb lol.

I'm very tempted by this. If its there in new year I might have a look.

It’s under 2 miles from me. Very good dealer. They’ve been given the ineos dealership for the country.

[fourwheeler]

On nice, i'd forgot about the Ineos.. when will we start seeing the Grenadier on roads?

So that Turbo looks keenly priced.. I am very tempted to take a look.

I am wondering what state it might be in. Looks like the nearside exhaust is low.. I wonder do the mounts need doing? I also don't like the S plastered onto the end of Turbo.

Are those wheels desirable / expensive? I like the idea of the Aero spoiler as it's one less potential nightmare to keep tabs on..

What's so good about GT silver? I thought it was Polar Silver which was the desirable one.

I like the aluminium accents in the interior.

[nebpor]

The wheels were a cost option, from the Turbo S. The x50 pack means you get a GT2 engine (only GT2 difference was those bigger turbos and mapping IIRC).

They’ve stuck the S badge on it as the turbo S had the x50 kit as standard, but agree it needs to go

Good price if it’s a good car

[Desert Dragon]

[ATM]

nebpor said:

The wheels were a cost option, from the Turbo S.

The turbo wheels are hollow spoke. Are these?

[simonsti]

TwinExit said:

The prices are already down, the 996 is the cheapest generation of pre-owned water cooled 911's ... but the running costs and ownership costs are just as high as any other generation.

I can point out some 'hot potato' these cars to avoid looming big bills, and have the gall to down play the true annual outlay to make 996 Turbo ownership seem like a bargain supercar experience. Forum car hype / ideology at its worst...

If people did their research, read adverts carefully, ask directly from Indy's or the dealer for quotes on work or parts - you'll understand the reality level cost of ownership.

This was mine yesterday at Bicester.
Had it 9 years so I know the costs involved.

[TwinExit]

cslwannabe said:

Coil packs £2k + VAT?!!

Why so expensive compared with a standard 986/996?

Sorry that was a typo, more around £1K including 3-4 hours of labour. Not a massive difference in the overal cost of upkeep.

[TwinExit]

shantybeater said:

All the items absolutely DO NOT all need replacing within the last 3 years, just get an inspection done to make sure its in good health.

Edited by shantybeater on Sunday 11th December 11:08

There are so many other examples on the market that has promised evidence of work done and parts refreshed that you would struggle to sell your own example had nothing significant invested on... the informed potential buyer doesn't care if the car has given you 5 years of fun and laughs, or especially those who brag they got 180 MPH in Germany few years back ... it is all about how many years of solid motoring the car will give the buyer and the x amount required to secure that ownership experience.

Just because your car never needed turbos replacing (or insert any other significant item refresh) it does not mean that within a month, 6 months or a year after the purchase these problems don't come crawling out of the woodwork.

mikep240 said:

They are nowhere near that, the guy's a cretin.

£60 each plus vat. Plus fitting at an indy, circa 2 hrs labour if the indy knows the cars. I pay that every 4 years for mine for peace of mind.

Now now, be nice, it's nearly xmas!

It was a typo, £1K will cover it at around those intervals.

[TwinExit]

fourwheeler said:

ALSO.. What is the story with this "TwinExit" poster..? I mean WTF!? Their tone is aggressive and it feels like they are trying to intimidate me (and anybody else) out of buying a 996 Turbo.... some highlights and points at which I decided to just disregard everything they say.

• Need to have documented proof that you got bodywork + paint correction done.
• A 996 Turbo isn't a sports car.. but a C2 is.. - Not diss'ing the C2. But there isn't a universe where you consider a C2 a sports car and not a Turbo. Must a sports car be RWD only!?
• Quote - "If you don't live in a nice area and not parked on a clean driveway / garage, some will be turned off by that."

I've no respect for this poster.. I think what they are saying is complete nonsense and i'm not sure what their end game is.

Sure, some expensive work will be unavoidable during ownership.. but having to pony up huge sums just so you can resell is ridiculous. A good pre purchase inspection will show up good maintenance and any items that are due...and any would be buyer should be able to ascertain the quality (or not) of what they are buying.

Inspections only give you a snapshot-in-time view of the car's visual and some of its mechanical health. As with any pre-owned car, items that seem fine will need attending to sooner than you realise.

And since you're a private buyer - and a potential future private seller, entertaining inspections will be a mini-nightmare as you'll need access to a ramp/lift, plus an extra hour of your time to facilitate inspections ... assuming you have a serious buyer actually turn up like they say they would.

It's unlikely you have a shiny show room or a modernised barn conversion to showcase your ride. So having the car stored in a garage/driveway in a nice area gives out a more positive image of what they are buying compared to something parked on a busy road.

fourwheeler said:

They says DIY is false economy.. oh please! If I do a good job on things like brake lines, bushes, mounts among other things.. and have receipt for various bits. I am sure that will be plenty for most buyers provided the car is well presented. That said, I do plan on getting scheduled maintenance done at a reputable Indy.. just for the stamp of course.

I'm enjoying this experience and starting to get a feel for what I want now.

But we are talking about a £80K (back in 2003) Porsche 911 Turbo, it's not a thrashed out Nissan 200SX or Subaru Impreza! Most owners would have documented history of work done at Porsche or specialist indies, some work requires engineering expertise which cannot be DIY'ed and it just screams out the owner taking shortcuts otherwise.

No one will offer you £38K for a car that has had most of its work done in your shed with parts you ordered off the internet, when you can pick up an example worked on and sold by a specialist for the same money.

[fourwheeler]

TwinExit said:

But we are talking about a £80K (back in 2003) Porsche 911 Turbo, it's not a thrashed out Nissan 200SX or Subaru Impreza! Most owners would have documented history of work done at Porsche or specialist indies, some work requires engineering expertise which cannot be DIY'ed and it just screams out the owner taking shortcuts otherwise.

No one will offer you £38K for a car that has had most of its work done in your shed with parts you ordered off the internet, when you can pick up an example worked on and sold by a specialist for the same money.

Thanks for your input TwinExit.

[Andyoz]

Most Turbos were £100k or more once a few options went on...and that's £170k in today's money allowing for inflation.

[finmac]

irish boy said:

This manual car close to me has just been reduced by £7k. Very reputable dealership too.



https://www.hollybrooksportscars.com/detail/used-p...

Not fancy it yourself? ;-)

[plynchy]

TwinExit said:

shantybeater said:

All the items absolutely DO NOT all need replacing within the last 3 years, just get an inspection done to make sure its in good health.

Edited by shantybeater on Sunday 11th December 11:08

There are so many other examples on the market that has promised evidence of work done and parts refreshed that you would struggle to sell your own example had nothing significant invested on... the informed potential buyer doesn't care if the car has given you 5 years of fun and laughs, or especially those who brag they got 180 MPH in Germany few years back ... it is all about how many years of solid motoring the car will give the buyer and the x amount required to secure that ownership experience.

Just because your car never needed turbos replacing (or insert any other significant item refresh) it does not mean that within a month, 6 months or a year after the purchase these problems don't come crawling out of the woodwork.

Bragging? Really not my style, merely indicating some of the positive ownership aspects, which you seem intent on avoiding. Have you owned one?

And on the contrary, a potential buyer is usually VERY interested that the car they are viewing has given many years trouble free motoring in my experience. It's a fairly good indicator (crystal ball aside) of what the car will be like going forward. Sure, nobody can predict a big failure of any major item, but going in with eyes open and a detailed history is the best you can hope for to help any buying decision.

[plynchy]

fourwheeler said:

Yea it seems decent to be fair and I'm actually in Ireland at the moment until the new year.

The photos do not do it justice at all really. They show the front spoiler.. but advert says removed.. I wonder was is just pulled off by a kerb lol.

I'm very tempted by this. If its there in new year I might have a look.

Re the X50 option, many cars claim to have it, many actually don't. My old car had been sold twice prior to my ownership advertised as an X50 version, once by a very well known dealer along with the premium the option attracts, but it wasn't the real deal.

As stated, it will have K24 turbos, along with a hike to 450bhp. The intercoolers are also different, if you can see/feel them from the rear air vents they'll be ribbed, rather than smooth like the standard car. I believe there's also a stronger bell housing, someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Check the spec sticker under front bonnet for the X50 code, should also be in the service book.

Re the aerokit, daft as it sounds, they were designed to run both front and rear spoilers for aero stability at high speeds, most owners will never get anywhere near speeds where they become effective, but just something to bear in mind. Front aero lip is a pain, catches on dust.

[marky911]

TwinExit said:

Sorry that was a typo, more around £1K including 3-4 hours of labour. Not a massive difference in the overal cost of upkeep.

Even £1k is nuts.
Buy a car and just wait until the next major service to stick a set in. No labour to pay as the garage will have the plugs out anyway.

No wonder some folk get ripped off if they can’t plan in a bit of preventative maintenance.

[marky911]

TwinExit said:

But we are talking about a £80K (back in 2003) Porsche 911 Turbo, it's not a thrashed out Nissan 200SX or Subaru Impreza! Most owners would have documented history of work done at Porsche or specialist indies, some work requires engineering expertise which cannot be DIY'ed and it just screams out the owner taking shortcuts otherwise.

No one will offer you £38K for a car that has had most of its work done in your shed with parts you ordered off the internet, when you can pick up an example worked on and sold by a specialist for the same money.

This is opinion not fact.
By using the term shed you imply inferior work quality. And those parts bight off the internet can be the exact same ones a specialist will fit, but without their “bit on the top”.

You want at least the servicing done by an Indy, yes, and I’d say anything that involves opening up the engine or box.

Everything else from, suspension, to brakes, to air-con rads, etc etc is easily DIY’able.
The Indy would check it all over come service time anyway if you needed reassurance.

You can go into much more detail when DIY’ing. Cleaning up fixings, re-plating or coating things, etc. You can get a better finish than a mechanic as doing it DIY means it isn’t against the clock.

But hey, if you aren’t capable or you just like throwing money away, then sure, get your mechanic to all the jobs anyone with half a brain could.

[fourwheeler]

marky911 said:

This is opinion not fact.
By using the term shed you imply inferior work quality. And those parts bight off the internet can be the exact same ones a specialist will fit, but without their “bit on the top”.

You want at least the servicing done by an Indy, yes, and I’d say anything that involves opening up the engine or box.

Everything else from, suspension, to brakes, to air-con rads, etc etc is easily DIY’able.
The Indy would check it all over come service time anyway if you needed reassurance.

You can go into much more detail when DIY’ing. Cleaning up fixings, re-plating or coating things, etc. You can get a better finish than a mechanic as doing it DIY means it isn’t against the clock.

But hey, if you aren’t capable or you just like throwing money away, then sure, get your mechanic to all the jobs anyone with half a brain could.

Very well said, Marky!

This "twinexit" guy seems to be more concerned with being able to sell the car later on.

Personally, i'll be buying the car to enjoy it. Dont confuse that with rag or neglect it. When it comes to sell i'll sell it at a fair value given condition and market etc.

I'm intelligent and I learn about all the workings of a system before I go at it..I'll be doing a lot of the work DIY with the exception of servicing (for the certification) and other major engine or box work (touch wood..)

I think if you have main services done with indys and then DIY everything else and keep the car well, any PPI should be able to acknowledge that and the state of the car.

When I get my lift installed I will get great joy out of stripping down the underside of a car, tidying up, coating bits and bobs and getting it nice and fresh.

Edited by fourwheeler on Tuesday 13th December 02:13