991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??

[Porsche911R]

Yellow491 said:

I think u must have a bee in your bonnet re mclaren,the Lt is way faster,far more exciting on the road than any 911 i have owned or driven,steering that porsche can only dream about,weight that porsche cant get any where near,the 720 your right is no comparison to the lt,totaly differand drive.
The new gt3 is not that quick,its to big,to heavy and a shocking interferance by electronics,i wonder if the Manuel version is any better.

LT does every thing for you, I mean every thing. Lets hope the upcoming 600LT will be more driver focused.

Manual 991.2 GT3 is the best car I have driven I think all round.

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

LT does every thing for you, I mean every thing. .

How much have you driven a 675?

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

How much have you driven a 675?

I did a VIP Macca thing they are very dull to drive, all of them ! , once you get over the speed that's that.

They are not for me very soulless and only advance tech and speeds to beat Ferrari, they are not a Porsche owners worry.

If you like them buy one :-) I really wanted to like them.

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

I did a VIP Macca thing they are very dull to drive, all of them ! , once you get over the speed that's that.

They are not for me very soulless and only advance tech and speeds to beat Ferrari, they are not a Porsche owners worry.
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i repeat, how much have you driven one? Vip macca thing means nothing in terms of exactly how much and where you were driving the car. If you drove it for half a day on track and on a variety fast roads, fair enough. you're entitled to your opinion but I'm frankly pretty surprised anyone can actually consider the 675s 'very dull'.

Poor residuals of course relatively but to drive, well......I happen to agree with yellow491, the 675 is a better car to drive than any 9X1 gen car I have driven.

[Yellow491]

Porsche911R said:

isaldiri said:

How much have you driven a 675?

I did a VIP Macca thing they are very dull to drive, all of them ! , once you get over the speed that's that.

They are not for me very soulless and only advance tech and speeds to beat Ferrari, they are not a Porsche owners worry.

If you like them buy one :-) I really wanted to like them.

A vip maca day is not living with one,seen /been to a few maca events,fa to do with Ferrari apart from a few owners walking around with there jumpers over there shoulders like Ferrari owners do .I am a true porsche nut and big admirer of porsche,but not much stays with the maca on the road or track now,sadly porsche need to go back to even at least a 1200kg car.
We have a new gt3 hillclimbing with us,the pdk wont even let you do a roasting standing start,the manuel would be better at this possibley if it can rev more than 4000rpm to let the clutch out,to lardy,to big,to slow.

[browngt3]

I can't see how, by any stretch of the imagination a GT3, any GT3, can be called slow. They are 190mph +cars. McLarens occupy a higher price segment. They are all automatics which means they lose some vital interaction and they have a shockingly dull engine note. I will stick with my GT3 thanks

[Taffy66]

Everything is relative IMO..There's no doubt that the 675LT is an amazing engineering feat especially in Spyder form, which the full carbon fibre monocell tub allows uncompromised rigidity..In terms of poke a genuine light weight 675 is in a different league to the 500hp and heavier GT3, however on the public road i find the GT3 way too fast to enjoy safely..This is why i enjoy driving my 981 Spyder so much which is even slower..!
I did a 200 mile round trip to Cardiff on Saturday to attend Porsche's 75th, and i took my Panamera Sport turismo hybrid..Now thats a seriously impressive car as it covers ground way faster than its 2T plus would have you believe..The new three chamber air suspension is the most impressive i've ever driven in how it maintains body control over severely undulating roads, for a 2.2T car..
I find different cars equally impressive in very different ways, but when a car is able to do things its weight and size should make impossible...then that is true engineering genius..!

[breadvan]

Took a 991.1 Turbo S for a 24 hour test whilst owning a 12C and afterwards couldn’t believe how the weight of the porker (sic) dulled the experience by comparison. I wish Porsche could make their car feel light in the same way. Loads wrong with a Macca but they get this part right. Now at 4000 miles in my GT3 and I also wish it was tad quicker too.....

[APOLO1]

Porsche911R said:

I did a VIP Macca thing they are very dull to drive, all of them ! , once you get over the speed that's that.

They are not for me very soulless and only advance tech and speeds to beat Ferrari, they are not a Porsche owners worry.

If you like them buy one :-) I really wanted to like them.

Did you do a VIP thing in 720s? if so yes I would agree, Clarkson summed it up well. But the 675LT is on another level from a fun to drive point. I rate it in the top 3 cars I have ever driven.

[PDKSport]

+1 for 911R comments above.
I had a day on the Top Gear circuit with the macca and it did most thing brilliantly (did understeer though).
While traveling back in the minibus with several macca owners we chatted on the day and I summed it up by saying for me; it’s how a car makes you feel and the macca was soulless compared to my 991 GT3. It’s positivity deceased compared to my new RS.
I don’t think you need more than a day driving a car to assess whether it does it for you or not.
Thanks.

[Ducati0]

browngt3 said:

I can't see how, by any stretch of the imagination a GT3, any GT3, can be called slow. They are 190mph +cars. McLarens occupy a higher price segment. They are all automatics which means they lose some vital interaction and they have a shockingly dull engine note. I will stick with my GT3 thanks

Couldn’t agree more. It makes me laugh when I hear people say GT3 slow ! They probably only use about 75% of the available power.

[Porsche911R]

yep the new ones a sub 7 second 100mph car that's faster than hyper cars from a few years back.

People say the Caymans R is slow, but I never wish for more power in it. still a 10 second 100 mph car.

yep an 675 will do 124mph in sub 8 !!!! but once you have done it, so what.

PDK owners might like it I guess, a do it all car even more so than Porsches PDK stuff.
For me it's a one trick pony.

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

i repeat, how much have you driven one? Vip macca thing means nothing in terms of exactly how much and where you were driving the car. If you drove it for half a day on track and on a variety fast roads, fair enough. you're entitled to your opinion but I'm frankly pretty surprised anyone can actually consider the 675s 'very dull'.

Poor residuals of course relatively but to drive, well......I happen to agree with yellow491, the 675 is a better car to drive than any 9X1 gen car I have driven.

I am finding all automatics dull atm, they feel so like my sim racer rig, and for that they feel slow as I can drive a 919 :-)
I want more interaction in a car a LOT more.

let hope the 600 LT brings a bit of fun back into the brand but I doubt it, they are one trick ponies, with Ferrari issues !!!

[Yellow491]

Ducati0 said:

browngt3 said:

I can't see how, by any stretch of the imagination a GT3, any GT3, can be called slow. They are 190mph +cars. McLarens occupy a higher price segment. They are all automatics which means they lose some vital interaction and they have a shockingly dull engine note. I will stick with my GT3 thanks

Couldn’t agree more. It makes me laugh when I hear people say GT3 slow ! They probably only use about 75% of the available power.

clocks tell the truth,and as they say the BS stops when the clock starts ticking,new gt3 slow off the line compared to other 911 by almost half a second to 64 feet,to big and not nimble enough for 4meter wide twisty tarmac,nanny state interferance of electronics that sadly cant be switched off,as they dont trust the driver to make decisions.This is a gt3 road car competing on a very road like track,has no real chance as to big,to heavy ,to stiff and the owner driving the nuts off it,he is considering going back to a man gt4,shame really.It would be good to see what can be done on slicks,but the electronics wont let you get full control of the car!

A driving experience day for a maca,you get a little taste of what its like to drive one of the main stream models which are great road cars, the ones with driving character that drivers are looking for are gen ltd editions,the LT is something else ,a third of the price of some real exotic cars,that still dont know where the lt disapeared to,when you drive a lt in track track mode with all off,in no way Is it boring or non committle,even in sport sport mode you need to be ready to hang on,and concentrate,car stays totally flat through corners with zero body roll with steering/turn in that only the cgt comes close to,and its British

[Swimfinz]

Porsche911R said:

I am finding all automatics dull atm, they feel so like my sim racer rig, and for that they feel slow as I can drive a 919 :-)
I want more interaction in a car a LOT more.

let hope the 600 LT brings a bit of fun back into the brand but I doubt it, they are one trick ponies, with Ferrari issues !!!

..... Even my sim racing rig has a MT...!! If, like me, you’re a real manual “die-hard”, the latest GT3 is still hard to beat imo.... Yes, it’s (a lot) heavier than the Maccas, but I have to agree with 911R, speed isn’t EVERYTHING here.... (Pretty sure there was a whole thread a while back on the current obsession with chasing numbers....??).... Big numbers are great for pub-talk, but it’s the real-world day to day driving experience that matters most to me.... A manual Porsche GT car is hard to beat in that respect.... In truth, my 987 Spyder was more than enough for me on current British roads but, like many, I got pushed towards the GT4 because of the “bigger numbers”..... Not always a good thing.... Having test driven a few Gen2 GT3s, I do sometimes wonder whether my GT4 is actually “enough” for most roads these days.... It’s got power that you can use, and have to actually work for... Now that, for me, is driving pleasure...! Just my opinion....

[isaldiri]

Ducati0 said:

Couldn’t agree more. It makes me laugh when I hear people say GT3 slow ! They probably only use about 75% of the available power.

It depends what it is being compared against....the gt3s are objectively quick but they definitely are slow compared to a 675 or 720. The straightline speed difference is really significant.

Put an average trackday driver in a 675 against another one in the gt3 on a trackday - the 675 will be out of sight in short order mainly as everytime you hit traffic the Mclaren simply can rocket past without much effort most of the time when it takes much longer to pass in the gt3.

And quite seriously, it's not just about numbers with the 675. It's got a lightness of feel that no modern Porsche even comes close to as well, it is close to a 100kg in typical spec lighter than any of the 991 GT cars it's imo no less assisted than the same 991 GTs. again, I honestly would be surprised if anyone other than 991R (who may or may not actually have done) has a decent drive in a 675 and still thinks it's dull (well engine note apart).

Edited by isaldiri on Wednesday 13th June 09:19

[Cheib]

Back on topic...just noticed OPC Leeds have a car up for £180k (it's on the main Porsche site for £178k) and less than 2k miles

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Has PCCB's so not the worst spec car in the world ?

There seem to be plenty of very low mileage 991.1 GT3 RS's around all of a sudden....presumably all owned by people who now have a 991.2 GT3 RS which they're not going to use either.

Whether they're 991.2 GT3's or 991.1 GT3 RS's that I assume the dealers have taken in PX against 991.2 GT3 RS's they're going to have big margins on them so think we'll see prices getting reduced pretty quickly. Some cars have been reduced by £5k already.

[Phooey]

For what it is the GT3 is a quick car (7s to 100), but I agree - put it up against something with a much higher power-to-weight ratio and it'll show it's weight / less power. I'd guess you'd need over 500hp/ton to keep with a well driven Macca.

GT2RS is Porsche's best shout -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImcnyrU9P6k

54. Radical SR3 RS unknown 2:25.00 213 / 570
55. Radical RXC V8 unknown 2:30.23 487 / -
56. Koenigsegg One:1 Robert Serwanski 2:32.14 1359 / 1340
57. McLaren P1 Chris Niarchos 2:38.00 916 / 1519
58. McLaren 675LT unknown 2:38.00 675 / 1328
59. Porsche 918 Spyder unknown 2:39.00 887 / 1665
60. Ferrari 430 Scuderia Soheil Ayari 2:40.00 510 / 1402
61. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) Ron Simons 2:40.20 500 / 1461
62. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Soheil Ayari 2:41.69 647 / 1528
63. Ferrari F12 TDF unknown 2:42.40 780 / 1520
64. Porsche 911 Turbo unknown 2:42.56 500 / 1595
65. Porsche 911 GT3 (997) unknown 2:43.00 415 / 1395
66. Nissan GT-R (R35 530 PS) unknown 2:43.41 530 / 1736
67. BAC MONO Sabine Schmitz 2:43.76 284 / 540
68. Porsche 911 GT3 Denis Malevanyi 2:44.45 435 / 1376

[Swimfinz]

Cheib said:

There seem to be plenty of very low mileage 991.1 GT3 RS's around all of a sudden....presumably all owned by people who now have a 991.2 GT3 RS which they're not going to use either.

Whether they're 991.2 GT3's or 991.1 GT3 RS's that I assume the dealers have taken in PX against 991.2 GT3 RS's they're going to have big margins on them so think we'll see prices getting reduced pretty quickly. Some cars have been reduced by £5k already.

Yup— my local OPC has just reduced ALL of it’s 991.2 GT3s by £5k (more in some cases).... Part of the reason I’m holding out on pulling the trigger on one— prices appear to be dropping weekly atm....

[isaldiri]

Phooey said:

For what it is the GT3 is a quick car (7s to 100), but I agree - put it up against something with a much higher power-to-weight ratio and it'll show it's weight / less power. I'd guess you'd need over 500hp/ton to keep with a well driven Macca.

GT2RS is Porsche's best shout -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImcnyrU9P6k

54. Radical SR3 RS unknown 2:25.00 213 / 570
55. Radical RXC V8 unknown 2:30.23 487 / -
56. Koenigsegg One:1 Robert Serwanski 2:32.14 1359 / 1340
57. McLaren P1 Chris Niarchos 2:38.00 916 / 1519
58. McLaren 675LT unknown 2:38.00 675 / 1328
59. Porsche 918 Spyder unknown 2:39.00 887 / 1665
60. Ferrari 430 Scuderia Soheil Ayari 2:40.00 510 / 1402
61. Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) Ron Simons 2:40.20 500 / 1461
62. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Soheil Ayari 2:41.69 647 / 1528
63. Ferrari F12 TDF unknown 2:42.40 780 / 1520
64. Porsche 911 Turbo unknown 2:42.56 500 / 1595
65. Porsche 911 GT3 (997) unknown 2:43.00 415 / 1395
66. Nissan GT-R (R35 530 PS) unknown 2:43.41 530 / 1736
67. BAC MONO Sabine Schmitz 2:43.76 284 / 540
68. Porsche 911 GT3 Denis Malevanyi 2:44.45 435 / 1376

Fwiw, someone I know has done a touch under 2:36 with a 675 at Spa and that's a verified vbox/racenavigator time with 10Hz gps tracking. Fastestlaps probably isn't reflective of times that are achievable at Spa imo.