Keep seeing 997s slithering up my snowy road....
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This isn't about whether Cmoose is correct or whether I am. Its down to opinion, I merely expressed an opinion that I didn't get it.
I said I don't get the use of them and still don't get it, I've outlined my opinions about winter tyres for my use and I'm not trying to convert anyone. I agree with ORD, use sensible speed for the conditions and normal tyres are perfectly fine where I live. But if people want to use them they can, just don't think everyone must agree with you, like I said its not about who is correct because we're not entitled to tell each other what to think.
Regards
Fred
I said I don't get the use of them and still don't get it, I've outlined my opinions about winter tyres for my use and I'm not trying to convert anyone. I agree with ORD, use sensible speed for the conditions and normal tyres are perfectly fine where I live. But if people want to use them they can, just don't think everyone must agree with you, like I said its not about who is correct because we're not entitled to tell each other what to think.
Regards
Fred
ORD said:
The cost of buying winter wheels and tyres and having them fitted is beyond ridiculous
Rubbish.You can only wear out one set of tyres at once
Winters wear more slowly than summers in cold weather (and vice versa)
£100 to have mine swapped over twice a year (including balancing)
Anyone who's tried them knows that they are a no brainer. (And I live in the South).
Anyone who has had an accident on black ice using the totally unsuitable low profile summer tyres that Porsches come with (as I have) will swear by winter tyres. The last 4-5 winters have been seriously cold with extended periods of snow. If your work relies on you turning up whatever the weather then they are essential.
The temperature in London has scarcely gone above 7 degrees for the last 3 months. My car (now a BMW m135i) was incredible driving in snowy scotland in December. It felt so safe, I will never drive another rearwheel drive car without winters.
The temperature in London has scarcely gone above 7 degrees for the last 3 months. My car (now a BMW m135i) was incredible driving in snowy scotland in December. It felt so safe, I will never drive another rearwheel drive car without winters.
newboy997 said:
ORD said:
The cost of buying winter wheels and tyres and having them fitted is beyond ridiculous
Rubbish.You can only wear out one set of tyres at once
Winters wear more slowly than summers in cold weather (and vice versa)
£100 to have mine swapped over twice a year (including balancing)
Anyone who's tried them knows that they are a no brainer. (And I live in the South).
That is one of the problem with now very common PDK box. You cannot be gentle when setting off or during gear change.
In my 996T, I use anti-stall and clutch only to get the car off the line, with no throttle even on a slope. On subsequent down change or up change, I'm very, very slow and gentle with the clutch uptake so you don't get the sudden torque jerk or reversal which will cause you to slither about.
With these new double clutch gearboxes which you have no control on the clutch action,I doubt you can get the car out or back home if you live in the country side and the last 200 yards is on a slope and unpaved.
I think my next car will have to be a 991 Carrera 4 GTS manual if I ever retire my 996T winter daily heck, since you cannot get a manual Turbo anymore
In my 996T, I use anti-stall and clutch only to get the car off the line, with no throttle even on a slope. On subsequent down change or up change, I'm very, very slow and gentle with the clutch uptake so you don't get the sudden torque jerk or reversal which will cause you to slither about.
With these new double clutch gearboxes which you have no control on the clutch action,I doubt you can get the car out or back home if you live in the country side and the last 200 yards is on a slope and unpaved.
I think my next car will have to be a 991 Carrera 4 GTS manual if I ever retire my 996T winter daily heck, since you cannot get a manual Turbo anymore
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
As other sensibles around I bought a set of wheels, and some Nokians (with minimal wear) and had them all sorted for less than £800 out of season.
It takes me an hour on the drive way to swap my wheels.
I take rural roads daily, and in the last month encountered many a morning of slush or an inch of snow. Zero dramas.
I also believe that in the type of standing water seen in out winter months they are better too.
When a bloody service or such tends to cost circa 1000 a year, I see my set of winters- which should last me 4 or 5 years of winter use, as being sweet f a in real costs.
I 'know' they are a far better solution for winter driving. End of.
What he said It takes me an hour on the drive way to swap my wheels.
I take rural roads daily, and in the last month encountered many a morning of slush or an inch of snow. Zero dramas.
I also believe that in the type of standing water seen in out winter months they are better too.
When a bloody service or such tends to cost circa 1000 a year, I see my set of winters- which should last me 4 or 5 years of winter use, as being sweet f a in real costs.
I 'know' they are a far better solution for winter driving. End of.
I run a 958 Cayenne and that came with Pirelli PZero 295/35/21's. Poor when slightly icy and pretty much useless in the snow. Swapped to some Dunlop Winter Sport's (on 18's) and the car was transformed. I've been a big advocate of winter rubber for ages and not just for RWD cars. Now run it on her Merc B Class too!my 2p
I love winter tyres - mainly because the mrs has the confidence to drive with them fitted;
This is the first winter I've not had M+S tyres on the pork - but that is only due to the fact that I get the train to work, and the Mrs' WRX STi has them fitted
any yes, even in the arctic zone known as Watford it does make a difference.
She got spooked a few years ago, with a light dusting of snow when the back end of the car stepped out a little - the tangible difference that winter tyres have made to the handling of her car in the winter months has given here a level of reassurance. Which puts my mind at rest.
They went on late nov, and will be off early march (ironically, back to PS2 N rated - on a scoob - got a bargain!)
I do still drive the Pork (it's on Mich SS) when the conditions are favourable, but I do notice a distinct lack of grip, even when it's dry - and I'm guessing that is down to temperature.
(mind you the car can still spin it's wheels at 120mph in the wet, in a straight line - and yes that was on a track)
I love winter tyres - mainly because the mrs has the confidence to drive with them fitted;
This is the first winter I've not had M+S tyres on the pork - but that is only due to the fact that I get the train to work, and the Mrs' WRX STi has them fitted
any yes, even in the arctic zone known as Watford it does make a difference.
She got spooked a few years ago, with a light dusting of snow when the back end of the car stepped out a little - the tangible difference that winter tyres have made to the handling of her car in the winter months has given here a level of reassurance. Which puts my mind at rest.
They went on late nov, and will be off early march (ironically, back to PS2 N rated - on a scoob - got a bargain!)
I do still drive the Pork (it's on Mich SS) when the conditions are favourable, but I do notice a distinct lack of grip, even when it's dry - and I'm guessing that is down to temperature.
(mind you the car can still spin it's wheels at 120mph in the wet, in a straight line - and yes that was on a track)
I'm well and truly converted to the Winter Tyres camp and have the Porsche 19" centre-lock winter set on my 997 GTS.
I have never purchased a new set of Winter Wheels & Tyres as I've been fortunate to drop on nearly new sets for my last 4 cars including the GTS. I have also managed to sell every set for a small profit once the car has been sold.
Once temperatures drop below 7 degrees C they make a real noticeable difference and only when you have used them will anyone fully understand the benefits. Certainly on my 997, my old BMW 1M and the wife's X5 they make a massive improvement in usability and feel.
Winter tyres are not SNOW tyres which is the general misconception here in the UK.
I have never purchased a new set of Winter Wheels & Tyres as I've been fortunate to drop on nearly new sets for my last 4 cars including the GTS. I have also managed to sell every set for a small profit once the car has been sold.
Once temperatures drop below 7 degrees C they make a real noticeable difference and only when you have used them will anyone fully understand the benefits. Certainly on my 997, my old BMW 1M and the wife's X5 they make a massive improvement in usability and feel.
Winter tyres are not SNOW tyres which is the general misconception here in the UK.
Been using winters for the last 4 years and really enjoying the 17" set on my 996 c4. Been lots of snowy icy roads where I am over the last couple of weeks and its almost comical how slow everyone else is going. Sideways action (for me anyway) is rare on a 911, but its playtime with these tyres/conditions and 4wd.
Oh yea probably safer too!
Also, really looking forward to putting back on the 18" Pirellis in March time as the cars handling is transformed.
Oh yea probably safer too!
Also, really looking forward to putting back on the 18" Pirellis in March time as the cars handling is transformed.
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I have two cars with manual gearboxes, so your second statement is demonstrably false.You don't understand the PDK-S in the GT3 so you obviously don't appreciate what manual mode means.
However, neither of your comments explains the previous nonsense you posted - i don't believe that anyone else is claiming that the GT3 RS, manual or otherwise, is likely to be a better road car that the base version.
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Yes of course i do.As frequently demonstrated you don't have a clue about the PDK-S gearbox.
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AP claimed that the engine couldn't be combined with the RWS and the manual gearbox - if things subsequently change for the RS, take it up with him...Edited by sidicks on Sunday 8th February 19:20
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