Trade in 997.1 GT3 for Carrera T
Discussion
If you want a fun engaging road car the T is awesome, it's not a track car but for my use it is more engaging more of the time than a 997 GT3. I tried to get a new GT3 allocation, which would have been amazing, but I can use the T more than I would a GT car and enjoy it more than a regular Carrera...
(alright it's bobbins)
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IMI A said:
I sat in one of these yesterday. Doesn't have the bolt rifle action feel of the 997 GT3/GT2 or short shift 997 turbo manual gearbox. Felt quite vague like a Golf Clubsport S' manual change felt to me. Just that would put me off.
Add a proper gear shift and engine mounts to a Golf CS and it's a mega thing, I did both and it's rifle bolt short direct changes.
Just saying :-)
Definite lifestyle car. I have generously been given the matching luggage!
OP, the T is a very different proposition to a 997 GT3. The change has to be a personal decision based upon how you want to use and enjoy the car.
All I would say is that the lukewarm reviews generally came from journalists who wanted the car to be more raw and/or based on the S and/or be a Club Sport model. Owners however seem to universally rate them - it is not a CS or a GT car but it a very attractive, usable and enjoyable road car.
To me, the benefits of a brand new car, never been driven by anyone else, built to my spec, under warranty with the latest technology were very attractive. A 997GT3 is a very special car though...
OP, the T is a very different proposition to a 997 GT3. The change has to be a personal decision based upon how you want to use and enjoy the car.
All I would say is that the lukewarm reviews generally came from journalists who wanted the car to be more raw and/or based on the S and/or be a Club Sport model. Owners however seem to universally rate them - it is not a CS or a GT car but it a very attractive, usable and enjoyable road car.
To me, the benefits of a brand new car, never been driven by anyone else, built to my spec, under warranty with the latest technology were very attractive. A 997GT3 is a very special car though...
Edited by rob.kellock on Monday 7th May 12:04
Edited by rob.kellock on Monday 7th May 12:07
Edited by rob.kellock on Monday 7th May 12:10
Had my T for two days, just driven up to Chipping Norton and back at 7am this morning with mate in his new GT3. Had 996 GT3/GT3RS before but like others have said something great about having a brand new car. T seems special enough for my needs. I have no issue with the gearbox, it’s not in any way vague.
Edited by Beaver on Monday 7th May 13:34
n12maser said:
No way in hell...unless you're desperate for back seats, but even those can be lawfully fitted in a 997.1 gt3
I was thinking about moving from my 991.2 carrera to a 997.1 GT3. Very interested to know how to retrofit rear seats legally. All I'd need then is a techart rear lid to create my '997R'. I love my car as it's my 1st 911, but it's not required to be a daily driver. I want to take it to Oulton Park occasionally, but otherwise for fun roads, interesting trips and occasionally to go out with the family on weekend (hence the rear seat question).
Great to see all the varied mixed replies, thank you.
Regarding comments, I am a driver and do push my car very hard within the limets of A and B roads.My car has been with me for 51/2 years and i have loved every moment. Yes you always feel like a change every now and then. Drove plenty of possible options but i always seen to stick with my GT3.Nothing else i have driving has ticked all the senses which i like in a car. I love Porsche and apart from paying a premium for a 991.2 GT3 manual im stuck.Others car which ive driven with a posibilty , 458 Ferrari , Mclaren 12c and 570S are very fast, but do not give me what i have with my car. I dont mind paddle shift in traffic with the auto option, and when on full chat they are so fast.
But sometimes when im out for a blast i dont want to do a 50 milisecond change i like to enjoy the engine note and feel the car through the gear stick. So much ineraction in the GT3 compared to newer rivals.
Me and the wife are off to the South of france and Italy in June, which should be a great run for the car.
The Carrera T i saw did look lovely, but so do lots of new cars.Everyone has ther different about cars and what they want out of them.The reason they make different vaients of models.
It really is great to hear peoples views.
Regarding comments, I am a driver and do push my car very hard within the limets of A and B roads.My car has been with me for 51/2 years and i have loved every moment. Yes you always feel like a change every now and then. Drove plenty of possible options but i always seen to stick with my GT3.Nothing else i have driving has ticked all the senses which i like in a car. I love Porsche and apart from paying a premium for a 991.2 GT3 manual im stuck.Others car which ive driven with a posibilty , 458 Ferrari , Mclaren 12c and 570S are very fast, but do not give me what i have with my car. I dont mind paddle shift in traffic with the auto option, and when on full chat they are so fast.
But sometimes when im out for a blast i dont want to do a 50 milisecond change i like to enjoy the engine note and feel the car through the gear stick. So much ineraction in the GT3 compared to newer rivals.
Me and the wife are off to the South of france and Italy in June, which should be a great run for the car.
The Carrera T i saw did look lovely, but so do lots of new cars.Everyone has ther different about cars and what they want out of them.The reason they make different vaients of models.
It really is great to hear peoples views.
Grantstown said:
n12maser said:
No way in hell...unless you're desperate for back seats, but even those can be lawfully fitted in a 997.1 gt3
I was thinking about moving from my 991.2 carrera to a 997.1 GT3. Very interested to know how to retrofit rear seats legally. All I'd need then is a techart rear lid to create my '997R'. I love my car as it's my 1st 911, but it's not required to be a daily driver. I want to take it to Oulton Park occasionally, but otherwise for fun roads, interesting trips and occasionally to go out with the family on weekend (hence the rear seat question).
n12maser said:
Grantstown said:
n12maser said:
No way in hell...unless you're desperate for back seats, but even those can be lawfully fitted in a 997.1 gt3
I was thinking about moving from my 991.2 carrera to a 997.1 GT3. Very interested to know how to retrofit rear seats legally. All I'd need then is a techart rear lid to create my '997R'. I love my car as it's my 1st 911, but it's not required to be a daily driver. I want to take it to Oulton Park occasionally, but otherwise for fun roads, interesting trips and occasionally to go out with the family on weekend (hence the rear seat question).
evodarren said:
...My car has been with me for 51/2 years and i have loved every moment. Yes you always feel like a change every now and then. Drove plenty of possible options but i always seen to stick with my GT3.Nothing else i have driving has ticked all the senses which i like in a car.... Other cars are very fast, but do not give me what i have with my car. I dont mind paddle shift in traffic with the auto option, and when on full chat they are so fast but sometimes when im out for a blast i dont want to do a 50 milisecond change i like to enjoy the engine note and feel the car through the gear stick. So much ineraction in the GT3 compared to newer rivals.
That pretty much sums up how I feel about my car 
5 years in a 997.1 GT3 and I still have not found a car I would swap it for.
Obviously if I could afford to I would change to a manual 991.2 GT3 or a 911R but the cost to change would be £110k/£250k
v8ksn said:
A GT3 to a GT4 just seems like a change with no real thought behind it. I am not sure what the GT4 will give him that the GT3 does not.
Is it not just about being able to do the miles and not worry about depreciation. Unfortunately as GT3/RS have become investments instead of primarily drivers cars you see less and less of them on the road. Take a look at the mileages in the for sale section ~3,000 to 4,000 miles per year seems to be the norm. The GT4 may be a little less sensitive to higher miles and more comfortable/ less 'harsh on our UK roads.Others just like that 'new' feeling and expect that along with all the other things a GT3 provides in terms of interaction. The fact is new cars are increasingly less and less interactive/analogue and more and more disconnected and digital.
Pip
evodarren said:
Great to see all the varied mixed replies, thank you.
Regarding comments, I am a driver and do push my car very hard within the limets of A and B roads.My car has been with me for 51/2 years and i have loved every moment. Yes you always feel like a change every now and then. Drove plenty of possible options but i always seen to stick with my GT3.Nothing else i have driving has ticked all the senses which i like in a car. I love Porsche and apart from paying a premium for a 991.2 GT3 manual im stuck.Others car which ive driven with a posibilty , 458 Ferrari , Mclaren 12c and 570S are very fast, but do not give me what i have with my car. I dont mind paddle shift in traffic with the auto option, and when on full chat they are so fast.
But sometimes when im out for a blast i dont want to do a 50 milisecond change i like to enjoy the engine note and feel the car through the gear stick. So much ineraction in the GT3 compared to newer rivals.
Me and the wife are off to the South of france and Italy in June, which should be a great run for the car.
The Carrera T i saw did look lovely, but so do lots of new cars.Everyone has ther different about cars and what they want out of them.The reason they make different vaients of models.
It really is great to hear peoples views.
I would say try a GT4 for sure then.Regarding comments, I am a driver and do push my car very hard within the limets of A and B roads.My car has been with me for 51/2 years and i have loved every moment. Yes you always feel like a change every now and then. Drove plenty of possible options but i always seen to stick with my GT3.Nothing else i have driving has ticked all the senses which i like in a car. I love Porsche and apart from paying a premium for a 991.2 GT3 manual im stuck.Others car which ive driven with a posibilty , 458 Ferrari , Mclaren 12c and 570S are very fast, but do not give me what i have with my car. I dont mind paddle shift in traffic with the auto option, and when on full chat they are so fast.
But sometimes when im out for a blast i dont want to do a 50 milisecond change i like to enjoy the engine note and feel the car through the gear stick. So much ineraction in the GT3 compared to newer rivals.
Me and the wife are off to the South of france and Italy in June, which should be a great run for the car.
The Carrera T i saw did look lovely, but so do lots of new cars.Everyone has ther different about cars and what they want out of them.The reason they make different vaients of models.
It really is great to hear peoples views.
ispcarsurvey said:
n12maser said:
Grantstown said:
n12maser said:
No way in hell...unless you're desperate for back seats, but even those can be lawfully fitted in a 997.1 gt3
I was thinking about moving from my 991.2 carrera to a 997.1 GT3. Very interested to know how to retrofit rear seats legally. All I'd need then is a techart rear lid to create my '997R'. I love my car as it's my 1st 911, but it's not required to be a daily driver. I want to take it to Oulton Park occasionally, but otherwise for fun roads, interesting trips and occasionally to go out with the family on weekend (hence the rear seat question).
rob.kellock said:
Definite lifestyle car. I have generously been given the matching luggage!
OP, the T is a very different proposition to a 997 GT3. The change has to be a personal decision based upon how you want to use and enjoy the car.
All I would say is that the lukewarm reviews generally came from journalists who wanted the car to be more raw and/or based on the S and/or be a Club Sport model. Owners however seem to universally rate them - it is not a CS or a GT car but it a very attractive, usable and enjoyable road car.
To me, the benefits of a brand new car, never been driven by anyone else, built to my spec, under warranty with the latest technology were very attractive. A 997GT3 is a very special car though...
never been driven by anyone else you say......
OP, the T is a very different proposition to a 997 GT3. The change has to be a personal decision based upon how you want to use and enjoy the car.
All I would say is that the lukewarm reviews generally came from journalists who wanted the car to be more raw and/or based on the S and/or be a Club Sport model. Owners however seem to universally rate them - it is not a CS or a GT car but it a very attractive, usable and enjoyable road car.
To me, the benefits of a brand new car, never been driven by anyone else, built to my spec, under warranty with the latest technology were very attractive. A 997GT3 is a very special car though...
Edited by rob.kellock on Monday 7th May 12:04
never been driven by anyone else you say......
Edited by rob.kellock on Monday 7th May 12:07
Edited by rob.kellock on Monday 7th May 12:10
I have had a 991.1 GT3 and now a 991.2 GTS so a similar kind of move. The GT3 was bought in 2007 and sold in 08 (I moved country so forced sale unfort) so its a while ago...
the 991.2s are significantly improved Porsche always move the game on, and this is gen2 on 991 ve gen1 997....so you might be surprised how capable a non-GT car is
where there is clearly no contest is in the rawness, the GT3 certainly a lot more mechanical, hard and noisy...but for road use the T I reckon offers plenty in those regards to most people.
put another way, I think the GTS for me is a perfect balance of performance, rawness and feel. I enjoy driving a 991.2 GT3 and I would prob swap for one of those at their respective list prices as its just a sound decision financially, but the current premium for one is way through where I would pay as the GTS is that good.
To compare a 991.2 T to a 997.1 GT3 then to me comes down to what you want. To those who say you cannot track a 911T it will prob lap the Ring in a similar time to a GT3 so that's nonsense - brakes may need better pads for serious track use, but most 911s are way more track ready than most sports cars. My GTS is a much faster car than the GT3 was, at the limit its faster but even more so on the road with its torque, and suspect a T will feel similar given what people who have gone from a GTS to a T have reported.
They are so different it depends what you want, a T is certainly less "special" as the 997.1 GT3 is a classic imo in a way the T will never be, but as so different there's a strong argument to experience to switch to enjoy something a bit different.
for me I am planning on keeping my GTS a while and know that there are some v interesting mods to the engine should I want a bit more power in the RWD chassis.
As a curveball my biased view is you should try a 991.2 RWD GTS Coupe with buckets, RWS (no PCCBs)
the 991.2s are significantly improved Porsche always move the game on, and this is gen2 on 991 ve gen1 997....so you might be surprised how capable a non-GT car is
where there is clearly no contest is in the rawness, the GT3 certainly a lot more mechanical, hard and noisy...but for road use the T I reckon offers plenty in those regards to most people.
put another way, I think the GTS for me is a perfect balance of performance, rawness and feel. I enjoy driving a 991.2 GT3 and I would prob swap for one of those at their respective list prices as its just a sound decision financially, but the current premium for one is way through where I would pay as the GTS is that good.
To compare a 991.2 T to a 997.1 GT3 then to me comes down to what you want. To those who say you cannot track a 911T it will prob lap the Ring in a similar time to a GT3 so that's nonsense - brakes may need better pads for serious track use, but most 911s are way more track ready than most sports cars. My GTS is a much faster car than the GT3 was, at the limit its faster but even more so on the road with its torque, and suspect a T will feel similar given what people who have gone from a GTS to a T have reported.
They are so different it depends what you want, a T is certainly less "special" as the 997.1 GT3 is a classic imo in a way the T will never be, but as so different there's a strong argument to experience to switch to enjoy something a bit different.
for me I am planning on keeping my GTS a while and know that there are some v interesting mods to the engine should I want a bit more power in the RWD chassis.
As a curveball my biased view is you should try a 991.2 RWD GTS Coupe with buckets, RWS (no PCCBs)
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