996 gt3 v 996 gt3 rs
Discussion
Yes Yellow get a GT2 RS , agree the GT3 RS is a very small improvement ( as with all RS models ) in bare numbers ,but the collectability also has a downside with fewer now seen on track compared to the 996 GT3 ... The fastest on track are the GT3,s as well as many have been modded ( NXi 20 ) and are the most rack honed cars in the GT3 range . The newer cars are surprisingly fast and even on the edge are more docile which is nice when only track daying .
Porsche911R said:
it also would not be £85k which is todays difference. and you also are saying for track work alone I guess, as others have said a lot of cars inc the 996 RS don't make great roads cars.
£15k to £20k to match the RS easy, £30k to have a much better car. imo the RS don't have that many special bits, nothing you cannot fit from the Cup cars anyway.
For £150k the RS is not good value a drive bar as an asset and of course resale as it might be a free car to use, so then one might say good value.
But as an outright buy to drive, it's crap value.
but very few people will spend £60k on a project plus donor as they DO want to OWN an asset and own a RS badge and have resale in mind.
It's special as it's rare and has some basic tweaks nothing more, nice when they were £65k, now collectors cars.
RS's are never (or shouldnt be anyway) good road cars. Since the GT3 they are distilled versions of already very focussed sports cars. As such they will always be compromised to that end when judges purely as a road driver. The bits on the 996RS are actually very expensive and the list is a lot longer than you might think. It's the only production car that Porsche actually made a loss on as the cost to build the car was greater than the sale price at the time. It's a true homologation special as opposed to perhaps the cynical exploitation of the RS badge. After a season of racing a 996 Cup I had a short drive in a 996RS and was amazed how close to the Cup the driving experience was. A little heavier and slightly more civilised but very similar. A lot closer than any other GT3 to it's Cup variant. Probably a point in time when there was almost an overlap between race and road car. It wont happen again but it makes the 996RS a very special car I think - but ive also said before that it makes the cooking 996 GT3's absolute bargains. £15k to £20k to match the RS easy, £30k to have a much better car. imo the RS don't have that many special bits, nothing you cannot fit from the Cup cars anyway.
For £150k the RS is not good value a drive bar as an asset and of course resale as it might be a free car to use, so then one might say good value.
But as an outright buy to drive, it's crap value.
but very few people will spend £60k on a project plus donor as they DO want to OWN an asset and own a RS badge and have resale in mind.
It's special as it's rare and has some basic tweaks nothing more, nice when they were £65k, now collectors cars.
There is never a correlation between values of RS's and Cooking GT3s. It's the car that wears the RS badge will always be sought after. I think that in the case of the 996RS it really is a special car. I'd put it above the 4.0RS dynamically. Certainly there's no modern 911 that i'd rather have in my garage. Unfortunately it will be the collectors that will make 996RS's unaffodable as time passes because of thier very low production numbers - not keen drivers wanting to experience a truly involving car.
As I said earlier, there is no right answer.
What the above posts clearly demonstrate is that for some people it will make sense (those people will find the supportive reasons posted above compelling), to others it will not (to those people the counter arguments will be compelling). This (plus the obvious affordability) underlines the shape of the market.
There is no doubt however (to me) that the 996RS is extremely special among the GT3RS family and as much as I have modded std 996 GT3 CS cars to make them even more track focused, I would never attempt to 'recreate a 996RS' from a 6GT3 as it is unachievable in my view (apart from paint job and stickers). There are too many differences - I have dyno'd both and there are even power differences...and by the end of it, it still would not be the authentic car and driver ability is always going to be a greater differentiator of performance than the two variants.
But going back to the comments above....there are no right answers, it is an emotional purchase and we are all different!
Either way - both the 996 GT3 and 996 GT3 RS are truly exceptional and to be celebrated, imho
Some pics from the wild of friends cars or cars I've been lucky to have over the years:
To underline Steve's point, one of these a cup car, one a Manthey 996 GT3 CS - on wet tyres they felt identical (even if the pace of the cup car is of course greater). The 996RS would narrow the gap even further though we are splitting hairs.
What the above posts clearly demonstrate is that for some people it will make sense (those people will find the supportive reasons posted above compelling), to others it will not (to those people the counter arguments will be compelling). This (plus the obvious affordability) underlines the shape of the market.
There is no doubt however (to me) that the 996RS is extremely special among the GT3RS family and as much as I have modded std 996 GT3 CS cars to make them even more track focused, I would never attempt to 'recreate a 996RS' from a 6GT3 as it is unachievable in my view (apart from paint job and stickers). There are too many differences - I have dyno'd both and there are even power differences...and by the end of it, it still would not be the authentic car and driver ability is always going to be a greater differentiator of performance than the two variants.
But going back to the comments above....there are no right answers, it is an emotional purchase and we are all different!
Either way - both the 996 GT3 and 996 GT3 RS are truly exceptional and to be celebrated, imho
Some pics from the wild of friends cars or cars I've been lucky to have over the years:
To underline Steve's point, one of these a cup car, one a Manthey 996 GT3 CS - on wet tyres they felt identical (even if the pace of the cup car is of course greater). The 996RS would narrow the gap even further though we are splitting hairs.
Edited by LaSource on Tuesday 6th August 12:32
The most raw of the modern RS's IMV, and the most rewarding to drive, but set up is more critical in this model than any others.
However, try as I might, I just can't get past the looks. Utterly gopping IMV, no matter which angle and filter you've messed about with on PS.
As mentioned above, we're all different, but I need the aesthetics to be right, to complete the package personally. I think that's why they've stayed at the £125k level, so relative bargain for a raw drive and you're not in the habit of looking back at it when parked up.
However, try as I might, I just can't get past the looks. Utterly gopping IMV, no matter which angle and filter you've messed about with on PS.
As mentioned above, we're all different, but I need the aesthetics to be right, to complete the package personally. I think that's why they've stayed at the £125k level, so relative bargain for a raw drive and you're not in the habit of looking back at it when parked up.
Dammit said:
I've almost bought a set of LM's a couple of times this week, but the requirement to send them straight out for a refurb to get them to be the correct colour is stopping me.
If you do I can point you towards a decent gold paint for BBS Gold. Not everyone who claims to have BBS Gold gets it right...
Those 996rs are great cars on track for a road car,i remember two good friends who bought them new and bailed out of them at a good loss in less than 12 months,they thought they were f——g awefull cars,and purchased/sold as road cars
I doubt very much the factory lost on the cars,be good to see a photo shop of one with the mk1 headlights
But hey any of them are special with the rs badge,but rare they are not in terms of rare porsche specials.Gt3 has to be the good value car,and the rs holds its money better.
I doubt very much the factory lost on the cars,be good to see a photo shop of one with the mk1 headlights
But hey any of them are special with the rs badge,but rare they are not in terms of rare porsche specials.Gt3 has to be the good value car,and the rs holds its money better.
Porsche911R said:
yep you don't see line ups at events like the old days.
any one fancy this Porsche built real Clubsport ? looks mega.
That red cars been for sale along time i think,its also a bit of a collection of parts is it not.any one fancy this Porsche built real Clubsport ? looks mega.
I do know of a nice red cs for sale privately,lhd.I even thought about it at one point.
kayc said:
agree.not that bad on the road but not great..rather go cross-country in a Golf R or my Boxster.!!
well, yeah my misses Golf R wagon would be faster across country probably, but it would require no skill or effort from me and I'd get out at the end thinking why I'd bothered !as others have said, it's not optimised for road use, but a car that u can drive to the track and then get loads of enjoyment on the circuit. of course they are now old, valuable and slow compared to the modern kit, so you don't really see them on track. but you can say that of a 964 RS (the only other RS that comes close to the 996RS for me), or a lightweight e-type, or any historic racer to be honest. the romance is still there, and it tugs my heart strings. worth 130-160k any day of the week to me, but that's just to me.
Original poster here. Thanks for the gripping feedback chaps.
My current fun car is a tidy 205 gti I've owned for 23 years. Looking at upgrading to something special for occasional weekend fun.
Not sure whether to go the whole job with an rs or play safe with cooking gt3 hence the post.
My current fun car is a tidy 205 gti I've owned for 23 years. Looking at upgrading to something special for occasional weekend fun.
Not sure whether to go the whole job with an rs or play safe with cooking gt3 hence the post.
To be fair, really leaning consistently on a 20 year old car is not the best of ideas ... and particularly not if one would like to keep it collectable.
I agree wholeheartedly that the 996 GT3RS is a very special car, and the low numbers (104 RHD cars in the UK ?) helps to keep them rare and desirable. Of course the blue ones are even better (!!).
But if numbers speak in collector terms, and if the most valuable should generally be the first and the last ... given that the 996GT3 MkI CS was the RS of that version with only 28 made and supposedly at Weissach (I have never been able to verify this) these RHD cars hold a very special interest to me. I've owned two, one of them twice ... I had to buy it back ...
But for track days, buying a GT4 and spending it up to the cost of a 991GT3 has been a fabulous journey and has left me with a unique car that gives 991GT3's a very hard run for their money and with minimal consumables ... 15 track-days to a set of pads, endless discs, twice the front tyre life of an un-modded GT4 ... and no worries about possible hub carrier failure as happened to one of my friends with his 964RS at Spa !!
So, horses for courses.
Collectable and worry free track-worn are for me two immiscible categories of passion wagon !
I agree wholeheartedly that the 996 GT3RS is a very special car, and the low numbers (104 RHD cars in the UK ?) helps to keep them rare and desirable. Of course the blue ones are even better (!!).
But if numbers speak in collector terms, and if the most valuable should generally be the first and the last ... given that the 996GT3 MkI CS was the RS of that version with only 28 made and supposedly at Weissach (I have never been able to verify this) these RHD cars hold a very special interest to me. I've owned two, one of them twice ... I had to buy it back
...But for track days, buying a GT4 and spending it up to the cost of a 991GT3 has been a fabulous journey and has left me with a unique car that gives 991GT3's a very hard run for their money and with minimal consumables ... 15 track-days to a set of pads, endless discs, twice the front tyre life of an un-modded GT4 ... and no worries about possible hub carrier failure as happened to one of my friends with his 964RS at Spa !!
So, horses for courses.
Collectable and worry free track-worn are for me two immiscible categories of passion wagon !
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