992 GT3 - Will they be Obtainable?
Discussion
robj4 said:
CorrosionInhibitor said:
You really think stuff like this will change, nothing against the dealer as I’ve heard he’s a top bloke
https://www.alastairbols.com/cars/porsche-991-2-gt...
That's got your name written all over it! (Under the plastic)https://www.alastairbols.com/cars/porsche-991-2-gt...
^^^In the normal course of my work I am on the continent once or twice per week for meetings/seminars/etc, with the flights, hotels, venues and so forth associated with that.
I think it’s highly doubtful that we’ll return to that soon, possibly ever, and that change in business travel is going to impact a lot of industries.
It also means I might be able to move somewhere that’s not an hours drive from Heathrow, which is a positive- but I think you’d be crazy to buy proporty (or an expensive car) until the end of the year (Europe, RoW) or Feb/March 2021 (UK).
I think it’s highly doubtful that we’ll return to that soon, possibly ever, and that change in business travel is going to impact a lot of industries.
It also means I might be able to move somewhere that’s not an hours drive from Heathrow, which is a positive- but I think you’d be crazy to buy proporty (or an expensive car) until the end of the year (Europe, RoW) or Feb/March 2021 (UK).
I think the order book my be a little light as the speculators/investors show their true colours.
I say this as last year my 2 boys wanted a GT product and were basically told NO. They wanted cars to drive, not to look at!
If they were offered one now I know what the answer would be!
Shame really as Porsche have overlooked many new customers in favour of a few that will show zero brand loyalty.
I wouldn’t want a GT product as not my thing and the way my kids were kind of ignored makes me think about not buying this marque in the future.
I say this as last year my 2 boys wanted a GT product and were basically told NO. They wanted cars to drive, not to look at!
If they were offered one now I know what the answer would be!
Shame really as Porsche have overlooked many new customers in favour of a few that will show zero brand loyalty.
I wouldn’t want a GT product as not my thing and the way my kids were kind of ignored makes me think about not buying this marque in the future.
GT3cs said:
5 - I was offered one (718 GT4) yesterday for immediate delivery . Turned it down as I'm not happy to even pay list for a Spec that wasn't my choice ..... mainly as comfort .
But according to some on here the comfort specs are the desirable ones and sell for the same if not more than bucketed and even CS cars 
lol.av185 said:
GT3cs said:
5 - I was offered one (718 GT4) yesterday for immediate delivery . Turned it down as I'm not happy to even pay list for a Spec that wasn't my choice ..... mainly as comfort .
But according to some on here the comfort specs are the desirable ones and sell for the same if not more than bucketed and even CS cars lol.It wasn’t that long ago every man and his dog would of bought it even if the spec wasn’t for them just because it was list price.
Buckets or Sofas, I don’t think it makes much difference now.
Macca993 said:
If your business is in Hospo, accomodation or is in someway linked to international visitors and general tourism you are looking at a P&L wipe out this and all of next. This event will change the way we travel well into the future and Island nations like NZ and UK will not see the free movement of folk across the boarders until well after a vaccine has been implimented if indeed an effective one can be found.
Its not just the above busineeses that will suffer and many will fold, its also all the industries that supply those businesses. For example on of my suppliers is already on his knees because the three large hotel chains he supplies bathroom consumerables for has shut its doors until October.
Of course there are many in the finance and IT secord who will be untouched and also some that make very good from this chaos but the effects will have long reach and be felt for at least 18-24 months probably more...
Its not just the above busineeses that will suffer and many will fold, its also all the industries that supply those businesses. For example on of my suppliers is already on his knees because the three large hotel chains he supplies bathroom consumerables for has shut its doors until October.
Of course there are many in the finance and IT secord who will be untouched and also some that make very good from this chaos but the effects will have long reach and be felt for at least 18-24 months probably more...
Interesting comments and I agree - this is going to be a long game and also change the way many things are done/people behave for years to come.
Dammit said:
^^^In the normal course of my work I am on the continent once or twice per week for meetings/seminars/etc, with the flights, hotels, venues and so forth associated with that.
I think it’s highly doubtful that we’ll return to that soon, possibly ever, and that change in business travel is going to impact a lot of industries.
It also means I might be able to move somewhere that’s not an hours drive from Heathrow, which is a positive- but I think you’d be crazy to buy proporty (or an expensive car) until the end of the year (Europe, RoW) or Feb/March 2021 (UK).
Totally agree...even when normality returns I think a lot of companies will realise that a Zoom meeting achieves much of what a business trip can at a fraction of the cost. Think there will be a dramatic and permanent fall in that kind of travel...nobody enjoys doing it, it’s hugely expensive and most of the time a Zoom meeting would achieve as much. I think it’s highly doubtful that we’ll return to that soon, possibly ever, and that change in business travel is going to impact a lot of industries.
It also means I might be able to move somewhere that’s not an hours drive from Heathrow, which is a positive- but I think you’d be crazy to buy proporty (or an expensive car) until the end of the year (Europe, RoW) or Feb/March 2021 (UK).
Cheib said:
Totally agree...even when normality returns I think a lot of companies will realise that a Zoom meeting achieves much of what a business trip can at a fraction of the cost. Think there will be a dramatic and permanent fall in that kind of travel...nobody enjoys doing it, it’s hugely expensive and most of the time a Zoom meeting would achieve as much.
Agree.The 'good old days' of essentially wasting time flying 'execs' around the world one week and them driving a relatively expensive car all around the country the next week with minimal client interaction but huge costs ££ and massive carbon footprint where the end result can largely be replicated by conferencing will be frowned upon big time and a huge shift towards wfh/work hubs will be the new norm.
Legals, accountancy, IT, software, mental health 'experts' and the like will flourish as they always will in times of crisis and the obvious vulnerable sectors will be pummelled many of which will close their doors never to reopen.
Personally i think the aftermath from this virus will be much harder and prolonged than some optimistic people think..I've already battened down the hatches as my business is starting to suffer..I've cancelled my Taycan along with two other major business capital purchases i had planned..
Three of my cars are on SORN including my RS WP..The Ferrari hasn't left my garage in over a month and i don't see that changing much until early Autumn.
There has to be a massive rethink on our lifestyles back to a much simpler existence with much less dependency on debt..The UK will have to become much more self efficient in food production and travel much less than we do now..There needs to be a huge investment in the NHS with the money going to front line staff and new hospitals, rather then being squandered by these massive NHS trust quangos with all their waste and red tape.
Much more bureaucrats, civil servants etc should be retrained to become useful front line workers such as nurses, police etc...The Status Quo is not an option otherwise the debt will just keep on piling up at both household and national level..
Back to the 992GT3, i have no interest in getting one in the slightest or any other new Porsche for that matter...My next car will be a classy understated Air cooled 911 which will be much more socially acceptable in the future IMO.
Three of my cars are on SORN including my RS WP..The Ferrari hasn't left my garage in over a month and i don't see that changing much until early Autumn.
There has to be a massive rethink on our lifestyles back to a much simpler existence with much less dependency on debt..The UK will have to become much more self efficient in food production and travel much less than we do now..There needs to be a huge investment in the NHS with the money going to front line staff and new hospitals, rather then being squandered by these massive NHS trust quangos with all their waste and red tape.
Much more bureaucrats, civil servants etc should be retrained to become useful front line workers such as nurses, police etc...The Status Quo is not an option otherwise the debt will just keep on piling up at both household and national level..
Back to the 992GT3, i have no interest in getting one in the slightest or any other new Porsche for that matter...My next car will be a classy understated Air cooled 911 which will be much more socially acceptable in the future IMO.
Cheib said:
Totally agree...even when normality returns I think a lot of companies will realise that a Zoom meeting achieves much of what a business trip can at a fraction of the cost. Think there will be a dramatic and permanent fall in that kind of travel...nobody enjoys doing it, it’s hugely expensive and most of the time a Zoom meeting would achieve as much.
This is all good news imo.Maybe he virus is the world reset, it was not a nice place.
It’s interesting and in many ways refreshing to read the honest comments on this thread. I’d agree that many things in life will be re-evaluated, not just the likely residual of a 992GT3!
I’m an NHS consultant and had actually taken the decision to give up my private practice in January, before the likely impact of covid was known. I wanted to dedicate a bit more time to my family. Little did I know that only a few months later I would have been giving it up anyway (at least temporarily).
I have a deposit on a Taycan, but I’m going to take this back as I’m no longer putting money into my private business and want to save this money for a rainy day. In reality I’ve also lost all excitement for this car anyway. I think this may be part and parcel of the changing reality around us.
On the upside, I get to go to work most days and have the pleasure of spending a bit of time thinking only about the road ahead. Taking my bog standard 911 over a mixture of completely empty A and B roads is a great experience and must be like going back in time by several decades. The roads have been dry and I have 3 peddles and a gear stick to use. The power of the car seems plenty when there are no other cars around to compare it against.
Sure, I would love a GT3. It’d have to be the touring as I suspect pulling up at work in something with a big wing on it may be a step too far. I know it’s other people’s problem, but I do care about my image in that respect. Would I mobilise all my savings to buy a touring? No, definitely not now. Having something in reserve is important. Even if I had one, it’d be too costly for me to track it. I’d be better buying an old M3 or something.
There will still be plenty of people who can easily go out and buy the latest 992 GT3 and fair play, they’re going to get a great car to enjoy driving. Getting excited about the little details of the final spec etc is all part of enjoying the buying experience. Someone on here did mention that an air cooled 911 is more likely to be the next thing on the shopping list. I’d wholeheartedly agree with this. Would I get it past the wife? Doubtful!
I’m an NHS consultant and had actually taken the decision to give up my private practice in January, before the likely impact of covid was known. I wanted to dedicate a bit more time to my family. Little did I know that only a few months later I would have been giving it up anyway (at least temporarily).
I have a deposit on a Taycan, but I’m going to take this back as I’m no longer putting money into my private business and want to save this money for a rainy day. In reality I’ve also lost all excitement for this car anyway. I think this may be part and parcel of the changing reality around us.
On the upside, I get to go to work most days and have the pleasure of spending a bit of time thinking only about the road ahead. Taking my bog standard 911 over a mixture of completely empty A and B roads is a great experience and must be like going back in time by several decades. The roads have been dry and I have 3 peddles and a gear stick to use. The power of the car seems plenty when there are no other cars around to compare it against.
Sure, I would love a GT3. It’d have to be the touring as I suspect pulling up at work in something with a big wing on it may be a step too far. I know it’s other people’s problem, but I do care about my image in that respect. Would I mobilise all my savings to buy a touring? No, definitely not now. Having something in reserve is important. Even if I had one, it’d be too costly for me to track it. I’d be better buying an old M3 or something.
There will still be plenty of people who can easily go out and buy the latest 992 GT3 and fair play, they’re going to get a great car to enjoy driving. Getting excited about the little details of the final spec etc is all part of enjoying the buying experience. Someone on here did mention that an air cooled 911 is more likely to be the next thing on the shopping list. I’d wholeheartedly agree with this. Would I get it past the wife? Doubtful!
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
Buckets or Sofas, I don’t think it makes much difference now.
Its actually the opposite.Harder times are when the correct spec is even more crucial to a sale and not just on Porsches.
Buyer will not and are not queuing up, there will be a over supply of used and new stock. The rarer older stuff might hold a little better due to the far lower production numbers.
The 992 gt3 will objectively be better ,they usually are and as much as I love the 991.2 to say it’s not going to be improved on is just nonsense .
I have no interest in buying one because whilst I don’t doubt it will be better it won’t be worth the cost of changing better ,and that is what I suspect many current owners feel .
I have no interest in buying one because whilst I don’t doubt it will be better it won’t be worth the cost of changing better ,and that is what I suspect many current owners feel .
It will all depend on how much the buyer base has been affected by COVID-19. There will always be an element of wealthy (and sensible with money) people who will ride through such a crisis, and those who will thrive under certain situations, so assuming everyone will be skint later this year is not realistic.
Those hugely affected by the current situation will mostly be those who couldn't afford to buy and run a £130k car anyway IMHO, but we'll see whether that's the case in the coming months.
Those hugely affected by the current situation will mostly be those who couldn't afford to buy and run a £130k car anyway IMHO, but we'll see whether that's the case in the coming months.
Interesting the number of cancellations reading this thread alone, maybe 5 GT4s and a couple of Taycans. I'm guessing there's many more out there.
Regarding the 992 GT3, demand will clearly be less with the investors removed from the equation. However, once things return to normal, whatever the new normal will look like, and we start to see the rave reviews I wonder how many will change thier minds. Me? I won't be putting my name down. My 991.2 is already way to fast for the public roads and I'm sure it far exceeds my ability on track (yet to try it). There's also the question of a muted noise resulting from the particulate filters. Also not sure about the looks both interior and exterior. Though I do like the front end treatment in the latest spyshots.
Regarding the 992 GT3, demand will clearly be less with the investors removed from the equation. However, once things return to normal, whatever the new normal will look like, and we start to see the rave reviews I wonder how many will change thier minds. Me? I won't be putting my name down. My 991.2 is already way to fast for the public roads and I'm sure it far exceeds my ability on track (yet to try it). There's also the question of a muted noise resulting from the particulate filters. Also not sure about the looks both interior and exterior. Though I do like the front end treatment in the latest spyshots.
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