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Porsche911R said:
JulierPass said:
A friend of mine had exactly this dilemma and went for the "used" car with 128 miles on it! He picked up the Miami car that was in Kent. Paid 95,750 for it which was a 7.5K saving over list (including showroom tax and front end ppf which he would have done anyway). Car had more on it than he would have specified as well. He ended up getting his deposit back from his opc. Made a great saving and didn't have to wait 3 months for a car which would have arrived in winter.
I'm trying to persuade him to upgrade the crown wheel and pinion. Car then becomes a very interesting proposition.
Paid 95,750 for it which was a 7.5K saving over list I'm trying to persuade him to upgrade the crown wheel and pinion. Car then becomes a very interesting proposition.
some one maths is wrong a 718 Cayman is not £103,250 !!!
A fully speced car is £89k sans PCCB !! £103.2k is going some which seems impossible! even with £1.5k PPF.
GT4RS said:
You can get to 89k very easily with the 718gt4, the one I cancelled came to 88k and I didn’t have ceramics. I would of classed it as an average spec car. The person who took my slot went for a higher spec as it had ceramics and crayon paint, he tried to flip it straight away for 105k.
Most steel disk cars for sale are not even £89k list. £89k is a very high spec car for steek braked 718 GT4 imo with a expensive paint option.PCCB takes it £5.5k more, But there is no main option missing at £89k if you want steels and a posh paint colour.
Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
You can get to 89k very easily with the 718gt4, the one I cancelled came to 88k and I didn’t have ceramics. I would of classed it as an average spec car. The person who took my slot went for a higher spec as it had ceramics and crayon paint, he tried to flip it straight away for 105k.
Most steel disk cars for sale are not even £89k list. £89k is a very high spec car for steek braked 718 GT4 imo with a expensive paint option.PCCB takes it £5.5k more, But there is no main option missing at £89k if you want steels and a posh paint colour.
By the time you add, buckets, clubsport, extended leather, bose and a few other real world bits and bobs you are there.
I would say most clubsport are around this price.
GT4RS said:
I wouldn’t call the spec I cancelled at 88k a high spec, it was a nice spec with the must haves for me.
By the time you add, buckets, clubsport, extended leather, bose and a few other real world bits and bobs you are there.
I would say most clubsport are around this price.
So if it’s got every thing it’s high spec ? That’s the point ! By the time you add, buckets, clubsport, extended leather, bose and a few other real world bits and bobs you are there.
I would say most clubsport are around this price.
I see people with £85k targets but the cars are missing stuff.
Fully specced is everything added, it's not personal opinion. Other than that it's your preferred spec.
£102,844 is the kind of thing I would call fully specced: http://www.porsche-code.com/PM4GKIG4
Just to prove a >£100k 718 GT4 is totally possible.
£102,844 is the kind of thing I would call fully specced: http://www.porsche-code.com/PM4GKIG4
Just to prove a >£100k 718 GT4 is totally possible.
Buckets , Leather , Bose are the essentials to me and that comes in at £81k + showroom tax . I’m
happier paying that for a brand new car than £85/90K used with a load of options that don’t change the experience significantly .... I can’t get my head around speccing the car to £100k but it’s a good job we are all different .
happier paying that for a brand new car than £85/90K used with a load of options that don’t change the experience significantly .... I can’t get my head around speccing the car to £100k but it’s a good job we are all different .
2010spy said:
Guys, please can we get back to the Speedster on this thread. I see new posts coming in, only to see spec chats about GT4s.
Ok - here’s one to help get back on track - I was in my OPC this week and there is a Speedster in GR in the showroom on SOR - It’s done 65 miles and the guy who bought it, won his allocation by buying new vanilla cars from the OPC at a rate of roughly one every 1-2 moths for about a year. Can you believe he did that to get a trinket he never used - It annoys the hell out of me - what a waste of an allocation (not in the eyes of the OPC though - but you know what I mean)
The car was offered to me at crazy money a few weeks after it was delivered - I told the OPC to do one. It’s popped up again, still unused - he’s looking for the crazy price of £k350 - these are £k260 cars today (as the recent sale on CC proves) The OPC agree and want him to pick it up as apparently they aren’t a car storage business.
In the metal Speedsters are huge, they looks colossal, it’s got the biggest arse end I’ve ever seen and with the roof up IMHO, they looks crap.
So for drop down pure engagement and fun, compare them with a 718 Spyder; which has to be one of the best looking cars Porsche have made recently. Add a good geo and an exhaust mod and you have an absolutely fantastic car for a 1/3 (or even in this case a 1/4) of the price of a Speedster; so £ for £ the Spyder kills the speedster in every way.
You can actually drive it and park it somewhere - a strange concept for a car, I know. You can add miles onto it without worrying about killing the value of a > £k 260 asset. (Never mind the value damage ramifications of an oops)
The engine isn’t as good, but it’s still really bloody good and the power output makes it much more relevant as a road car.
Dynamically it’s a peach, such great fun when set up properly; the combination of size and set up must make it more fun day to day on our roads.
So my conclusion is simple; the 718 Spyder has made the Speedseter irrelevant.
Notes;
All just IMHO - no offence to anyone with a Speedster that actually uses it.
All comments on looks and sexiness are entirely subjective and as such are rubbish and can be ignored - but I do think the Spyder is much better looking
Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 22 August 10:34
JulierPass said:
I got back a few days ago from a trip to the alps in mine. car had 700 miles on it when i left, it's now got 2800 on it. now it's proper;y run in its really found its voice - roof off, exhaust button pressed it sounds amazing. Zero scuttle shake too. Am seriously impressed by it. If you can, you must. Life is to short to think about the fun you could of had.
If no PTS, Lava would have been my choice too. Looks fantastic 
. Great to see a Speedster used as intendedI agree with everything RSVP just said..It really annoys me when i see the latest RS WP or Speedster for sale at my OPC with hardly any miles..However i do derive a great deal of satisfaction when i see the same ones being left unsold for six months or more with the prices going down and down..! Serves the greedy flippers right.
Hopefully this recent phenomenon of these special cars being given to flippers who never actually WANT the car will be over by the time 992 versions are launched.
It seems that the vast majority of Speedsters are being flipped although not very successfully..They seem to sell at £260-270K which is about £30k over..Hardly seems to be worth the effort when you factor in the hits they've already taken on vanilla cars..
Hopefully this recent phenomenon of these special cars being given to flippers who never actually WANT the car will be over by the time 992 versions are launched.
It seems that the vast majority of Speedsters are being flipped although not very successfully..They seem to sell at £260-270K which is about £30k over..Hardly seems to be worth the effort when you factor in the hits they've already taken on vanilla cars..
Also annoys me that someone who always intended to flip the car has had the pleasure of specing the car.
Sad to see all these cars being flipped. If i was in the position to get an allocation on another ltd car would be an alien concept to flip.
I could have flipped my spyder and made 5 or 10 or 15 k back in 2016 but not even on my radar. I still have the car.
Sad to see all these cars being flipped. If i was in the position to get an allocation on another ltd car would be an alien concept to flip.
I could have flipped my spyder and made 5 or 10 or 15 k back in 2016 but not even on my radar. I still have the car.
Cheib said:
I suspect these people who went for the Speedster thought it would be getting GT2 RS hype premium’s i.e. close to £500k when they were first delivered.
Clearly buying half a dozen cars to get a Speedster with a £30k premium hasn’t been a profitable venture.
The current low ball price seems to be circa £265-270k which on an example I was looking at listed OTR £223k so imo with what is coming down the line in the next 6 months I am not sure I would even want to pay original list price unless the car was one of the many delivery mileage examples rather than a 2 owner example with up to 800 miles or soClearly buying half a dozen cars to get a Speedster with a £30k premium hasn’t been a profitable venture.
They certainly don't fly out the doors like they did 10 months ago
and a few PC's still have them priced at those original pre-covid19 today!
Hurrah. Thanks guys. Lots of Speedster content. As I’ve said before, is one Speedster worth more than a GT3 Touring, 991.2 GTS and a 987 Spyder? And that only gets you to about £250k! There’s a reason there’s so many for sale. Porsche took the profit on this one, as well as the money they took from those crazy enough to buy lots of vanilla cars to get on the list. Halo marketing at its best (or worst). I know it will never happen, but I’d buy one at £180k. That’s my price.
Edited by 2010spy on Saturday 22 August 15:06
2010spy said:
Hurrah. Thanks guys. Lots of Speedster content. As I’ve said before, is one Speedster worth more than a GT3 Touring, 991.2 GTS and a 987 Spyder? And that only gets you to about £250k! There’s a reason there’s so many for sale. Porsche took the profit on this one, as well as the money they took from those crazy enough to buy lots of vanilla cars to get on the list. Halo marketing at its best (or worst).
Yes...there’s obviously a lot more GT3’s and Spyder’s than Speedster’s though,At list price I’d be tempted...it’s the only Speedster with a GT engine which makes it pretty special in my opinion...although I haven’t seen one in the metal so don’t know is the arse is as massive as RSVP says it is !
The flipper indignation has been done to death, but yes i agree it's a sorry state of affairs. Things are changing rapidly in the 'limited' car market (no surprise) and the reality is such that it's not going to be especially difficult to get an allocation for a GT car going forward. I was offered a GT4 build slot for November after merely expressing a passing interest over the phone on a different subject with my contact at the local OPC. I know the GT4 isn't a 'limited' car, but you know what i mean, they aren't exactly flying out the showroom door.
I think the speedster looks like a wonderful car, and clearly quite a special thing as not done before (with a motorsport derived engine). Perhaps not for me, i've never had a thing for open sportscars, but i absolutely see what the appeal is for those who did order one. I'd be surprised if they did drop to list, certainly i would have thought it's very unlikely once the current glut of supply shifts, as the reason values look soft today is because all these flippers need to move them on !
I think the speedster looks like a wonderful car, and clearly quite a special thing as not done before (with a motorsport derived engine). Perhaps not for me, i've never had a thing for open sportscars, but i absolutely see what the appeal is for those who did order one. I'd be surprised if they did drop to list, certainly i would have thought it's very unlikely once the current glut of supply shifts, as the reason values look soft today is because all these flippers need to move them on !
2010spy said:
Hurrah. Thanks guys. Lots of Speedster content. As I’ve said before, is one Speedster worth more than a GT3 Touring, 991.2 GTS and a 987 Spyder? And that only gets you to about £250k! There’s a reason there’s so many for sale. Porsche took the profit on this one, as well as the money they took from those crazy enough to buy lots of vanilla cars to get on the list. Halo marketing at its best (or worst). I know it will never happen, but I’d buy one at £180k. That’s my price.
I’m not sure I would - by the time they are at that price you’d have a 991.2 manual GT3 and a 718 Spyder with JCR / Geo - I’d much prefer that.Edited by 2010spy on Saturday 22 August 15:06
As was proven when I was offered the Black / Black one that EL recently sold for £k260 - bought my cars and still had nearly £k40 left - to me it’s a no brainer - At £k260 they are trinkets, agree at £k180 they become cars again, but where they are now, they are pretty unusable unless you are happy to loose £k60/80 & if you are, best of luck to you , fill your boots and enjoy as I’m sure they are amazing cars. (I’d still have a GT3 and a Spyder though)
Cheib said:
2010spy said:
Hurrah. Thanks guys. Lots of Speedster content. As I’ve said before, is one Speedster worth more than a GT3 Touring, 991.2 GTS and a 987 Spyder? And that only gets you to about £250k! There’s a reason there’s so many for sale. Porsche took the profit on this one, as well as the money they took from those crazy enough to buy lots of vanilla cars to get on the list. Halo marketing at its best (or worst).
Yes...there’s obviously a lot more GT3’s and Spyder’s than Speedster’s though,At list price I’d be tempted...it’s the only Speedster with a GT engine which makes it pretty special in my opinion...although I haven’t seen one in the metal so don’t know is the arse is as massive as RSVP says it is !
Also who cares about the numbers thing - I’ve never even seen another Spyder on the road and the numbers thing is only about values and that’s already built in and some more
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