Speedster

[Taffy66]

I'd really consider a Speedster at list however it would require me having to sell either my Ferrari or RS..Neither of which will cover the cost of the Speedster so i'd have to throw yet more cash in to buy it..That's not something i'd contemplate as i'm perfectly happy for the time being with my existing cars..
Another point even if i was offered one at close to list i'd still buy a nice 812 SF every time..The last of the Ferrari NA V12's sans GPF with 800PS..No contest..!!

[JulierPass]

RSVP911 said:

2010spy said:

Hurrah. Thanks guys. Lots of Speedster content. As I’ve said before, is one Speedster worth more than a GT3 Touring, 991.2 GTS and a 987 Spyder? And that only gets you to about £250k! There’s a reason there’s so many for sale. Porsche took the profit on this one, as well as the money they took from those crazy enough to buy lots of vanilla cars to get on the list. Halo marketing at its best (or worst). I know it will never happen, but I’d buy one at £180k. That’s my price.

Edited by 2010spy on Saturday 22 August 15:06

I’m not sure I would - by the time they are at that price you’d have a 991.2 manual GT3 and a 718 Spyder with JCR / Geo - I’d much prefer that.

As was proven when I was offered the Black / Black one that EL recently sold for £k260 - bought my cars and still had nearly £k40 left - to me it’s a no brainer - At £k260 they are trinkets, agree at £k180 they become cars again, but where they are now, they are pretty unusable unless you are happy to loose £k60/80 & if you are, best of luck to you , fill your boots and enjoy as I’m sure they are amazing cars. (I’d still have a GT3 and a Spyder though)

That's quite an interesting view. I currently have in the stable a 991.2 GT3 and a speedster with a Spyder due in October that I intend to use as a daily drive. There is something very special about the current cup car engine in a scuttle shake free package with a manual gear box. I've just done 2000 miles in mine over the alps and it's a keeper. Sometimes these road trips have made me sell cars - the GT4 went after it's long drive as I just couldn't get over the gearing and this was before the crown wheel and pinon upgrade was made available.

With the Speedster the connection with what is going on is amplified by not having the roof and wringing the engine out to 9000 rpm whilst heel and toeing up and down the box threading it up a mountain pass is quite magical. Add to that that it really doesn't have as direct competitor. Everything else is flappy paddled and or turbo charged. I'm sure the Spyder will be great, but mines going to be off to get the CW & P done once it's run in, but even then it will be circa 100 hp down on the speedster and won't have the magical cup car engine. If you are in the position to go with a speedster you'd be mad not to. Life is too short to accept second best.

[RSVP911]

JulierPass said:

That's quite an interesting view. I currently have in the stable a 991.2 GT3 and a speedster with a Spyder due in October that I intend to use as a daily drive. There is something very special about the current cup car engine in a scuttle shake free package with a manual gear box. I've just done 2000 miles in mine over the alps and it's a keeper. Sometimes these road trips have made me sell cars - the GT4 went after it's long drive as I just couldn't get over the gearing and this was before the crown wheel and pinon upgrade was made available.

With the Speedster the connection with what is going on is amplified by not having the roof and wringing the engine out to 9000 rpm whilst heel and toeing up and down the box threading it up a mountain pass is quite magical. Add to that that it really doesn't have as direct competitor. Everything else is flappy paddled and or turbo charged. I'm sure the Spyder will be great, but mines going to be off to get the CW & P done once it's run in, but even then it will be circa 100 hp down on the speedster and won't have the magical cup car engine. If you are in the position to go with a speedster you'd be mad not to. Life is too short to accept second best.

That’s a great post and it’s hard to disagree with you as you have first hand knowledge edge of the Speedster, so I have to bow to your judgement on this. I absolutely agree on the engine - the one in my 991.2 GT3 is sublime and is without doubt, is much better than the Spyder; but as I say the Spyder isn’t too shabby either.

Please can you explain a bit more about CW & P as this sounds interesting.

Re the gearing issue in the GT4, don’t you have the same challenge with the GT3 ?

Also, If I may make a suggestion - I’d get a JCR titanium silenced race pipe ordered ASAP as the LT is very long and the Spyder sounds truly terrible OEM - If you don’t like the Spyder, I’m sure it’ll be easy to sell off market (I did this with my first one and got most of my money back). Also, I’d tweak the Geo on the Spyder, as this has made a massive difference to mine.

Hope you like it and glad that you are using and enjoying your Speedster.

Maybe let me know what you think once you have all 3.

Best of luck

[JulierPass]

RSVP911 said:

JulierPass said:

That's quite an interesting view. I currently have in the stable a 991.2 GT3 and a speedster with a Spyder due in October that I intend to use as a daily drive. There is something very special about the current cup car engine in a scuttle shake free package with a manual gear box. I've just done 2000 miles in mine over the alps and it's a keeper. Sometimes these road trips have made me sell cars - the GT4 went after it's long drive as I just couldn't get over the gearing and this was before the crown wheel and pinon upgrade was made available.

With the Speedster the connection with what is going on is amplified by not having the roof and wringing the engine out to 9000 rpm whilst heel and toeing up and down the box threading it up a mountain pass is quite magical. Add to that that it really doesn't have as direct competitor. Everything else is flappy paddled and or turbo charged. I'm sure the Spyder will be great, but mines going to be off to get the CW & P done once it's run in, but even then it will be circa 100 hp down on the speedster and won't have the magical cup car engine. If you are in the position to go with a speedster you'd be mad not to. Life is too short to accept second best.

That’s a great post and it’s hard to disagree with you as you have first hand knowledge edge of the Speedster, so I have to bow to your judgement on this. I absolutely agree on the engine - the one in my 991.2 GT3 is sublime and is without doubt, is much better than the Spyder; but as I say the Spyder isn’t too shabby either.

Please can you explain a bit more about CW & P as this sounds interesting.

Re the gearing issue in the GT4, don’t you have the same challenge with the GT3 ?

Also, If I may make a suggestion - I’d get a JCR titanium silenced race pipe ordered ASAP as the LT is very long and the Spyder sounds truly terrible OEM - If you don’t like the Spyder, I’m sure it’ll be easy to sell off market (I did this with my first one and got most of my money back). Also, I’d tweak the Geo on the Spyder, as this has made a massive difference to mine.

Hope you like it and glad that you are using and enjoying your Speedster.

Maybe let me know what you think once you have all 3.

Best of luck

The GT4 gearing is, imo, terrible. Far too long and means on a decent B road or alpine pass you are either only using 2nd or 3rd. The CW&P is a Porsche Motorsport part that shortens the gearing, really livening the car up.

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/shop-product/low-ratio-cr...

The gearing in the GT3 is shorter plus you have more powerful engine so the same problem doesn't exist. Having the extra power is also really useful in the Alps when you are up on passes above 1500 meters where the air is noticeably thinner and the car struggles to breath and isn't producing as much power.

Re the exhaust, I have heard there is a GPF delete for the car. GPF's aren't on the US cars so I have been lead to believe that you can remove them without upsetting the ECU. The speedster will be off to Parr shortly and the spyder will follow in its footsteps if all goes well. I'll keep you posted

[Taffy66]

JulierPass said:

The GT4 gearing is, imo, terrible. Far too long and means on a decent B road or alpine pass you are either only using 2nd or 3rd. The CW&P is a Porsche Motorsport part that shortens the gearing, really livening the car up.

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/shop-product/low-ratio-cr...

The gearing in the GT3 is shorter plus you have more powerful engine so the same problem doesn't exist. Having the extra power is also really useful in the Alps when you are up on passes above 1500 meters where the air is noticeably thinner and the car struggles to breath and isn't producing as much power.

Re the exhaust, I have heard there is a GPF delete for the car. GPF's aren't on the US cars so I have been lead to believe that you can remove them without upsetting the ECU. The speedster will be off to Parr shortly and the spyder will follow in its footsteps if all goes well. I'll keep you posted

Interesting new info to me about RPM's CW&P kit..Having owned both a GT4 and Spyder i can relate to the frustratingly high 2nd and 3rd gears which really saps the power and fun..However there is one huge caveat on this kit and that is, i also thought 6th gear was already on the short side for relaxed motorway cruising..This kit lowers all gears which i agree would be very welcome apart from the 16% lower 6th gear..In standard form the GT4 and Spyder does 25mph/1000revs in 6th but with this kit its down to 21mph/1000rpm..Seems way too low for me..
Suppose its true about what they say about not being able to eat your cake and keep it..!

[JulierPass]

Taffy66 said:

JulierPass said:

The GT4 gearing is, imo, terrible. Far too long and means on a decent B road or alpine pass you are either only using 2nd or 3rd. The CW&P is a Porsche Motorsport part that shortens the gearing, really livening the car up.

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/shop-product/low-ratio-cr...

The gearing in the GT3 is shorter plus you have more powerful engine so the same problem doesn't exist. Having the extra power is also really useful in the Alps when you are up on passes above 1500 meters where the air is noticeably thinner and the car struggles to breath and isn't producing as much power.

Re the exhaust, I have heard there is a GPF delete for the car. GPF's aren't on the US cars so I have been lead to believe that you can remove them without upsetting the ECU. The speedster will be off to Parr shortly and the spyder will follow in its footsteps if all goes well. I'll keep you posted

Interesting new info to me about RPM's CW&P kit..Having owned both a GT4 and Spyder i can relate to the frustratingly high 2nd and 3rd gears which really saps the power and fun..However there is one huge caveat on this kit and that is, i also thought 6th gear was already on the short side for relaxed motorway cruising..This kit lowers all gears which i agree would be very welcome apart from the 16% lower 6th gear..In standard form the GT4 and Spyder does 25mph/1000revs in 6th but with this kit its down to 21mph/1000rpm..Seems way too low for me..
Suppose its true about what they say about not being able to eat your cake and keep it..!

I think we are talking circa 800 rpm more at 90 mph. The difference won't be as marked as you think. It will negatively effect mpg though, but I can live with that.

[ferdi p]

Taffy66 said:

I'd really consider a Speedster at list however it would require me having to sell either my Ferrari or RS..Neither of which will cover the cost of the Speedster so i'd have to throw yet more cash in to buy it..That's not something i'd contemplate as i'm perfectly happy for the time being with my existing cars..
Another point even if i was offered one at close to list i'd still buy a nice 812 SF every time..The last of the Ferrari NA V12's sans GPF with 800PS..No contest..!!

I'm confused!!

So you'd consider a speedster at list but buy an 812 every time if you were?
Sounds like your not considering it at all really 😁

[Taffy66]

ferdi p said:

I'm confused!!

So you'd consider a speedster at list but buy an 812 every time if you were?
Sounds like your not considering it at all really ??

I've even managed to both confuse and contradict myself !..I think what i meant was that i would never consider a Speedster unless it came down to list and even then i'd have to make some difficult decisions as to afford it i'd have to sell either my 488 or RS..I like having one Porsche and one Ferrari in my garage so it would be the RS i'd sell to buy one..For the same reason if i decided to sell my 488 i'd buy an 812 instead..
I'm still dreaming about selling all my cars and buy a CGT but even my best man maths don't allow that..
In a year's time i might sell both my cars and buy a Speedster and 812 but highly unlikely..
On that note i think its time i opened a bottle of wine to relax my brain and hopefully come back in a more lucid and sensible manner..

[Cheib]

Taffy66 said:

JulierPass said:

The GT4 gearing is, imo, terrible. Far too long and means on a decent B road or alpine pass you are either only using 2nd or 3rd. The CW&P is a Porsche Motorsport part that shortens the gearing, really livening the car up.

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/shop-product/low-ratio-cr...

The gearing in the GT3 is shorter plus you have more powerful engine so the same problem doesn't exist. Having the extra power is also really useful in the Alps when you are up on passes above 1500 meters where the air is noticeably thinner and the car struggles to breath and isn't producing as much power.

Re the exhaust, I have heard there is a GPF delete for the car. GPF's aren't on the US cars so I have been lead to believe that you can remove them without upsetting the ECU. The speedster will be off to Parr shortly and the spyder will follow in its footsteps if all goes well. I'll keep you posted

Interesting new info to me about RPM's CW&P kit..Having owned both a GT4 and Spyder i can relate to the frustratingly high 2nd and 3rd gears which really saps the power and fun..However there is one huge caveat on this kit and that is, i also thought 6th gear was already on the short side for relaxed motorway cruising..This kit lowers all gears which i agree would be very welcome apart from the 16% lower 6th gear..In standard form the GT4 and Spyder does 25mph/1000revs in 6th but with this kit its down to 21mph/1000rpm..Seems way too low for me..
Suppose its true about what they say about not being able to eat your cake and keep it..!

Sharkewerks have a modification which shorts 3rd, 4th and 5th leaving 6th gear as was...there’s a solution for everyone it seems !

https://www.sharkwerks.com/transmission/p4727-shar...

[RSVP911]

JulierPass said:

The GT4 gearing is, imo, terrible. Far too long and means on a decent B road or alpine pass you are either only using 2nd or 3rd. The CW&P is a Porsche Motorsport part that shortens the gearing, really livening the car up.

https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/shop-product/low-ratio-cr...

The gearing in the GT3 is shorter plus you have more powerful engine so the same problem doesn't exist. Having the extra power is also really useful in the Alps when you are up on passes above 1500 meters where the air is noticeably thinner and the car struggles to breath and isn't producing as much power.

Re the exhaust, I have heard there is a GPF delete for the car. GPF's aren't on the US cars so I have been lead to believe that you can remove them without upsetting the ECU. The speedster will be off to Parr shortly and the spyder will follow in its footsteps if all goes well. I'll keep you posted

Interesting stuff thanks.

I think JCR are about to release a GPF delete solution too.

Look forward to hearing what you think

[daro911]

RSVP911 said:

I think JCR are about to release a GPF delete solution too.

I thought all cars manufactured after August 2019 "by law" had to have a GPF fitted and wouldn't removing it be a MOT fail not to mention a PC fail and warranty fail

[Robbo66]

I’d only have a Speedster if I could spec a bolster seat for my chihuahua and the dashboard inscribed in heritage stitching by Gok Wang.

A car, admittedly in my experience, only driven by portly David Guest ‘lookylikies‘ or the local Propery Developer who parks in the bus stop outside the local ‘El Desperado, over 50’s, divorcee ridden, Prosecco sloshing grief hole’ for maximum exposure.

Winter is coming for this lot....and can’t come ‘flipping’ soon enough.

[MDL111]

Robbo66 said:

I’d only have a Speedster if I could spec a bolster seat for my chihuahua and the dashboard inscribed in heritage stitching by Gok Wang.

A car, admittedly in my experience, only driven by portly David Guest ‘lookylikies‘ or the local Propery Developer who parks in the bus stop outside the local ‘El Desperado, over 50’s, divorcee ridden, Prosecco sloshing grief hole’ for maximum exposure.

Winter is coming for this lot....and can’t come ‘flipping’ soon enough.

Thanks that painted a vivid picture in my head

[APOLO1]

And yet those of us on here that own and use their Speedsters don't seem to fussed about prices like some seem to be. " Market" will sort out what they are worth always has. Owner's just think what a great driving car they are.

https://www.carenthusiast.com/reviews/article/1271...

Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 23 August 10:56

[Taffy66]

daro911 said:

I thought all cars manufactured after August 2019 "by law" had to have a GPF fitted and wouldn't removing it be a MOT fail not to mention a PC fail and warranty fail

A few low volume car makers are exempt from having to fit a GPF....Lamborghini don't fit them to any of their cars..

[RSVP911]

daro911 said:

RSVP911 said:

I think JCR are about to release a GPF delete solution too.

I thought all cars manufactured after August 2019 "by law" had to have a GPF fitted and wouldn't removing it be a MOT fail not to mention a PC fail and warranty fail

Yes , probably

[SFO]

The overs market and flippers etc is a fact of life in a capitalist society. Nothing to be done about it, it ain’t illegal. In fact, it’s the fundamental basic of business: buy low, sell high

[Taffy66]

SFO said:

The overs market and flippers etc is a fact of life in a capitalist society. Nothing to be done about it, it ain’t illegal. In fact, it’s the fundamental basic of business: buy low, sell high

Flipping per se is not the probem..The problem lies in the allocation system employed by OPCs..These special cars were designed by Porsche as driver's cars so when you see the huge majority of them advertised at significant premiums before being run in, flies in the face of Porsche's gifted engineers wishes..
Having said all that its a nice problem even for those that buy to keep as it props up used values..

[Cheib]

Taffy66 said:

daro911 said:

I thought all cars manufactured after August 2019 "by law" had to have a GPF fitted and wouldn't removing it be a MOT fail not to mention a PC fail and warranty fail

A few low volume car makers are exempt from having to fit a GPF....Lamborghini don't fit them to any of their cars..

Amazed that’s the case as they’re part of VW. Can understand it if a low volume independent !

There’s upcoming noise legislation I think which means GPF or no GPF cars will be quieter though.

[Taffy66]

Cheib said:

Amazed that’s the case as they’re part of VW. Can understand it if a low volume independent !

There’s upcoming noise legislation I think which means GPF or no GPF cars will be quieter though.

Lambo seems to have avoided it by being classified as a totally separate entity to VAG ie as a low volume car maker