PCCB out braked the steels last night on 5th gear.

[Digga]

Porsche911R said:

I would never do a qually lap in a real car...

Join the fking club!

I just reckon there's no harm in me trying though, as long as I don't get in people's way.

[Porsche911R]

993rsr said:

Same old story as ever, you quote chapter and verse about being a superlative driver, and make every excuse why you can't/don't/won't/couldn't demonstrate your phenomenal level of skill at a suitable venue. If you are as good as you constantly state, what's the problem.

Surely someone of your skill would have no issue driving at 99% and keeping it on the tarmac?

I am happy with my sill level for track work, that's all I can say, nothing to prove here, I again said I will take you out in 2020.

No racer has kept a car on the tarmac 100% of the time why risk it ?

[Yellow491]

anonymous said:

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[Yellow491]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

Same old story as ever, you quote chapter and verse about being a superlative driver, and make every excuse why you can't/don't/won't/couldn't demonstrate your phenomenal level of skill at a suitable venue. If you are as good as you constantly state, what's the problem.

Surely someone of your skill would have no issue driving at 99% and keeping it on the tarmac?

I am happy with my sill level for track work, that's all I can say, nothing to prove here, I again said I will take you out in 2020.

No racer has kept a car on the tarmac 100% of the time why risk it ?

Why risk it,because some like risk,if you are a good driver such as your good self R,you should be able to take the car to 95%,with minimal risk at the right venue for you ,and if you feel daring one day,take it to 110%

[993rsr]

Yellow491 said:

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

Same old story as ever, you quote chapter and verse about being a superlative driver, and make every excuse why you can't/don't/won't/couldn't demonstrate your phenomenal level of skill at a suitable venue. If you are as good as you constantly state, what's the problem.

Surely someone of your skill would have no issue driving at 99% and keeping it on the tarmac?

I am happy with my sill level for track work, that's all I can say, nothing to prove here, I again said I will take you out in 2020.

No racer has kept a car on the tarmac 100% of the time why risk it ?

Why risk it,because some like risk,if you are a good driver such as your good self R,you should be able to take the car to 95%,with minimal risk at the right venue for you ,and if you feel daring one day,take it to 110%

Because he’s full of st and can’t drive for toffee.

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

993rsr said:

Same old story as ever, you quote chapter and verse about being a superlative driver, and make every excuse why you can't/don't/won't/couldn't demonstrate your phenomenal level of skill at a suitable venue. If you are as good as you constantly state, what's the problem.

Surely someone of your skill would have no issue driving at 99% and keeping it on the tarmac?

I am happy with my sill level for track work, that's all I can say, nothing to prove here, I again said I will take you out in 2020.

No racer has kept a car on the tarmac 100% of the time why risk it ?

Given you had repeatedly in the past given people like Steve Rance a lecture on how you find driving a rear engine car easy (you could drive a gt4 at 99% and found the 991gt3 easier at 103% if I recall the exact quote correctly) and you have also repeatedly said how easy track driving is, you should be able to bang out repeatedly 2:41 flat laps in a 991.2gt3 at Spa utterly safely with absolutely zero fuss otherwise there's some sort of disjoint between what you are claiming and the reality of your actual driving ability.....

P.S and given all that sim stuff you do what's there to master at Spa in one trip given you must have driven heaps of laps there?

Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 28th November 22:30

[SRT Hellcat]

whilst we are still on the subject of sim and Spa.
A chap who I know spent quite some time on the sim rig at Silverstone in a 1965 2 litre 911 could lap Spa in a 3.01.
That is a very quick time. I think with the now disallowed big valve heads a 3.03 was about the quickest.
This chaps quickest time in real life, in a real 1965 2 litre 911 on the real Spa circuit was 3.13

[JulierPass]

SRT Hellcat said:

whilst we are still on the subject of sim and Spa.
A chap who I know spent quite some time on the sim rig at Silverstone in a 1965 2 litre 911 could lap Spa in a 3.01.
That is a very quick time. I think with the now disallowed big valve heads a 3.03 was about the quickest.
This chaps quickest time in real life, in a real 1965 2 litre 911 on the real Spa circuit was 3.13

that sounds about right. i can go sub 7 minutes round the ring last time i did it on the play station. My real life time is, erm, considerably slower

[BertBert]

JayK12 said:

Roughly my spec:

- PC £700 - £1000
- Rig - £500 (Trak Racer RS6)
- Wheel and Pedals (Fanatec) starting at £500 ish
- VR headset £300 ish i think. (Oculus Rift CV1)

I'm building a few mid range PC's all pre loaded ready to go for a few friends and there not new, but lighty used parts and they come in at £700 ish.

You can find alot of stuff on ebay. I've not brought anything new, and saved half the cost probably, and everything is running strong for a number of years.

VR headsets make it for me, the immersion so real like. Heres a video of a league race from my cockpit view using my headset, you see what i see throughout the race. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9IcTwEQnxk

I've tried out a few pro sims in the past and always failed as I just can't get it to work for me (also crap at computer games). But I've discovered that VR really works well for me so I'm looking at trying it out.

Just looking at the video above though, it looks like there is a lot of tightening of the steering much later in the corner than you do in real life. Even at or after the apex. That's exaclty what happened to me when I drove the couple of screen based sims. Anyone got an idea of what's going on there?

Also if anyone has any decent kit they got bored of and it's just sitting there, let me know!

Bert

[AndrewD]

Porsche911R said:

already said I am slow at Spa, but I will take you out no problem, you can show me the right lines with your extended knowledge.
Lines are key 1st I have driven Spa once 4 years ago !
3 or 4 bends at Spa and being just a foot out on turn in ruins the bend. Get it right it feels easy, get it off and the bends are an arse.
you cannot master that in 1 trip.

I can show you a faster lap at Donnington if you like, a track I know a bit better.

I could drive at quite a high standard before I had a sim, the sims make me use senses in other area's to make me a more rounded driver, it also helps with lines and how to make a fast lap and what does actually make a fast lap fast over just an ave lap. ALso it's pretty handy on a new track to know the gereral layout and if a left or right bend is coming next, saves you 1/2 a day at least so worth it for that alone.

I have taken people out at Donny and been ok fast, then you click some times and find 3 or 4 seconds and drive much harder.
the difference is big from being 10 seconds off the pace to just being 3. But 10x the wear on the car and tyres than at that point inc. the risk.

I would never do a qually lap in a real car, it's too risky, pretty happy at 85% level in real cars, I see too many track off's in the normal area's to think screw being flat on that bend for the sake of 0.5 seconds. It is after all a track day. I am with Hunter how to treat track days in road cars.

I am happy with my level of driving for a keen Amateur and have nothing to really prove to anyone, I did all that 20 years ago same st different people :-)
it's a hobby now and meeting with mates who you don't get to see other wise. hence not done a track day for 2 years., I might not even have it in me lol

But I do plan to track the GT3 in 2020 :-) but might be in a Lotus as it's a 1/3 less cost to track one.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 28th November 10:12

I don’t get this. “I am slow at Spa” and “it’s all about the lines”. Yet you bang on about sims.

Surely with your incredible feel for threshold braking and advanced car setup, learning the lines on a sim would have you banging in sub 2 min 30’s all day long in a real car in the real world?

Or do you just talk st ok the internet?

[Dammit]

I think part of the problem here is that it’s difficult to work out how much of his own legend 911R believes himself- he could genuinely mean everything he says, but that does lack credibility as he frequently contradicts himself, which may be the result of his aspirational reality conflicting with his shared reality.

I’m assuming he’s something suitably Dickensian in real life- an HMO landlord would be perfect - who pretends to be an IT consultant, so the aspirational/actual dichotomy may run through his whole life.

[DMC2]

AndrewD said:

Porsche911R said:

already said I am slow at Spa, but I will take you out no problem, you can show me the right lines with your extended knowledge.
Lines are key 1st I have driven Spa once 4 years ago !
3 or 4 bends at Spa and being just a foot out on turn in ruins the bend. Get it right it feels easy, get it off and the bends are an arse.
you cannot master that in 1 trip.

I can show you a faster lap at Donnington if you like, a track I know a bit better.

I could drive at quite a high standard before I had a sim, the sims make me use senses in other area's to make me a more rounded driver, it also helps with lines and how to make a fast lap and what does actually make a fast lap fast over just an ave lap. ALso it's pretty handy on a new track to know the gereral layout and if a left or right bend is coming next, saves you 1/2 a day at least so worth it for that alone.

I have taken people out at Donny and been ok fast, then you click some times and find 3 or 4 seconds and drive much harder.
the difference is big from being 10 seconds off the pace to just being 3. But 10x the wear on the car and tyres than at that point inc. the risk.

I would never do a qually lap in a real car, it's too risky, pretty happy at 85% level in real cars, I see too many track off's in the normal area's to think screw being flat on that bend for the sake of 0.5 seconds. It is after all a track day. I am with Hunter how to treat track days in road cars.

I am happy with my level of driving for a keen Amateur and have nothing to really prove to anyone, I did all that 20 years ago same st different people :-)
it's a hobby now and meeting with mates who you don't get to see other wise. hence not done a track day for 2 years., I might not even have it in me lol

But I do plan to track the GT3 in 2020 :-) but might be in a Lotus as it's a 1/3 less cost to track one.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 28th November 10:12

I don’t get this. “I am slow at Spa” and “it’s all about the lines”. Yet you bang on about sims.

Surely with your incredible feel for threshold braking and advanced car setup, learning the lines on a sim would have you banging in sub 2 min 30’s all day long in a real car in the real world?

Or do you just talk st ok the internet?

He’s yet another track day warrior who doesn’t understand the MASSIVE difference between pootling around on a track day and properly putting a car to its limits when racing.

[Taffy66]

Why does every thread on P'heads denigrate into personal spiteful comments i wonder ..I suppose its true of all types of modern social media where a few posters like to to portray themselves as online tough guys ..I wonder how tough they'd be face to face in real life meetings ..!
Most online bullying manifests itself as it does in real life.Chill out dudes and treat P'heads as a lighthearted and sometimes funny escape from our real life problems
It doesn't surprise me in the least that on line insults are a major contributor to deteriorating mental health in today's society..As my granddad used to say ''If you haven't got anything good to say about somebody,don't say anything at all ''..

[Yellow491]

Lets lighten it up taff with some proper driving,lightweight with power vs a fatty with power.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

Why does every thread on P'heads denigrate into personal spiteful comments i wonder ..I suppose its true of all types of modern social media where a few posters like to to portray themselves as online tough guys ..I wonder how tough they'd be face to face in real life meetings ..!
Most online bullying manifests itself as it does in real life.Chill out dudes and treat P'heads as a lighthearted and sometimes funny escape from our real life problems
It doesn't surprise me in the least that on line insults are a major contributor to deteriorating mental health in today's society..As my granddad used to say ''If you haven't got anything good to say about somebody,don't say anything at all ''..

Same 4 or 5 people, nothing new, they need banning really.
Must be some underlying issue in their own lives to be evil to fellow humans to make them feel superior.

It’s hurtful but you have to feel sorry for them some how.

Every forum and every topic world wide has the same trolls, that’s modern SM today sadly and it takes people’s lives which is tragic.
You need thick skin to be part of any forum, or not have an opinion so you don’t get picked on and be a yes man.

[isaldiri]

Don't talk st then get butthurt and whine about people being 'evil' (which quite frankly is pathetic) when it's pointed out you are talking st on a forum. Rather simple isn't it?

P.S you're certainly right about having a thick skin I grant you....

[AndrewD]

AndrewD said:

I don’t get this. “I am slow at Spa” and “it’s all about the lines”. Yet you bang on about sims.

Surely with your incredible feel for threshold braking and advanced car setup, learning the lines on a sim would have you banging in sub 2 min 30’s all day long in a real car in the real world?

So you’re not going to answer the question despite it being a perfectly natural one to ask given everything you’ve been saying on this thread?

Should I be banned for asking?

[Dammit]

991R’s pearl-clutching when his ridiculous claims attract even vague comment is frankly disgusting when you contrast it with his recent mocking of the colleagues of a dead woman for asking those who incited her murder to calm their rhetoric even fractionally.

But consistent, I suppose.

[JayK12]

This escalated. @bertbert I'll email you bud just at the F1 at the mo. This man said sim racing is awesome lol.

[Steve Rance]

I quite like the idea of a sim set up. It might not be the real thing but it might be fun on a dark winters evening. On saying that nothing can replace the feeling that Blanchimont 2 is coming, your rears are wearing but it might be flat if you can manage the oversteer. and If you don’t it’s probably going to hurt - a lot. The feeling when you get it right is amazing but it’s the downside that makes it so amazing

Taking the physical and - to a lesser extent - financial danger out of racing is like taking the living out of life.