Speedster

[Porsche911R]

Cheib said:

Sharkewerks have a modification which shorts 3rd, 4th and 5th leaving 6th gear as was...there’s a solution for everyone it seems !

https://www.sharkwerks.com/transmission/p4727-shar...

2nd the issue.

To do it right is 10k, with a new main shaft.
To do it sort of ok is £6k inc a longer 6th and the sort final drive.

Or buy a GTS PDK !

[gtsralph]

Taffy66 said:

A few low volume car makers are exempt from having to fit a GPF....Lamborghini don't fit them to any of their cars..

I think you will find the reason Lamborghini and McLaren don’t fit GPFs is because they don’t use DFI injection. The particulate standard in Euro6 for petroleum engines applies only to DFI engines.

Also I believe the low volume regulations apply to fleet CO2 averages whereas particulates relate to vehicle certification.

Edited by gtsralph on Sunday 23 August 15:28

[APOLO1]

Taffy66 said:

Flipping per se is not the probem..The problem lies in the allocation system employed by OPCs..These special cars were designed by Porsche as driver's cars so when you see the huge majority of them advertised at significant premiums before being run in, flies in the face of Porsche's gifted engineers wishes..
Having said all that its a nice problem even for those that buy to keep as it props up used values..

But how is it the OPCs problem.? They sell the GT like cars to those customers that have purchased the most cars over the years, along with service work and part Ex Etc. What is an OPC meant to do sell his GT car to someone who has no or very little buying history with the OPC no idea were it will end up, or to a well known established customer with a known buying history that will give his car back to the OPC for what ever the reason, and the OPC can have a 2nd bite at the cake. Also whist I agree some do not just get to experience these cars as intended, some just don't like track days etc but that's not to take away from them the pleasure enjoyment that they get from just seeing their car of choice in their garage and the odd drive out etc.

Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 23 August 16:59

[SFO]

Taffy66 said:

Flipping per se is not the probem..The problem lies in the allocation system employed by OPCs..These special cars were designed by Porsche as driver's cars so when you see the huge majority of them advertised at significant premiums before being run in, flies in the face of Porsche's gifted engineers wishes..
Having said all that its a nice problem even for those that buy to keep as it props up used values..

OPCs mission is to make money, so they allocate cars to their best customers. All companies do that.

Porsche’s gifted engineers wishes - whatever you think they might be - are absolutely irrelevant.

[Taffy66]

SFO said:

OPCs mission is to make money, so they allocate cars to their best customers. All companies do that.

Porsche’s gifted engineers wishes - whatever you think they might be - are absolutely irrelevant.

I fully realise that its the OPC's most loyal clients should get first dibs on the GT specials as a customer loyalty bonus scheme..I'm fortunate as i have a GT3 RS WP from new, however i have some friends at other OPCs who are also good loyal customers who were desperate to own the latest RS only to see them being given to flippers who then sell them with hardly any miles through JZM, RPM, Redline etc etc..
Loyalty should work both ways IMO like any good long term business dealings..

[JulierPass]

Taffy66 said:

SFO said:

OPCs mission is to make money, so they allocate cars to their best customers. All companies do that.

Porsche’s gifted engineers wishes - whatever you think they might be - are absolutely irrelevant.

I fully realise that its the OPC's most loyal clients should get first dibs on the GT specials as a customer loyalty bonus scheme..I'm fortunate as i have a GT3 RS WP from new, however i have some friends at other OPCs who are also good loyal customers who were desperate to own the latest RS only to see them being given to flippers who then sell them with hardly any miles through JZM, RPM, Redline etc etc..
Loyalty should work both ways IMO like any good long term business dealings..

Problem is Taffy there are lots of people who are prepared to buy 2 boxsters a 992 and a cayenne inside 6 months to get themselves a slot just to be able to bragg to their mates they got a GT car. They then flog it on to try and recoup their losses through an indy. The others will sell it back through the opc and share the profit, but if they don't keep buying 2 boxsters a 992 and a cayenne they won't get the next car!

Some of us have been buying cars from the same dealer for a very long time and bought them when there was no overs to be had so are looked after.

[RSVP911]

APOLO1 said:

Taffy66 said:

Flipping per se is not the probem..The problem lies in the allocation system employed by OPCs..These special cars were designed by Porsche as driver's cars so when you see the huge majority of them advertised at significant premiums before being run in, flies in the face of Porsche's gifted engineers wishes..
Having said all that its a nice problem even for those that buy to keep as it props up used values..

But how is it the OPCs problem.? They sell the GT like cars to those customers that have purchased the most cars over the years, along with service work and part Ex Etc. What is an OPC meant to do sell his GT car to someone who has no or very little buying history with the OPC no idea were it will end up, or to a well known established customer with a known buying history that will give his car back to the OPC for what ever the reason, and the OPC can have a 2nd bite at the cake. Also whist I agree some do not just get to experience these cars as intended, some just don't like track days etc but that's not to take away from them the pleasure enjoyment that they get from just seeing their car of choice in their garage and the odd drive out etc.

Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 23 August 16:59

All makes sense, however so many cars are simply flipped - if the OPC’s did a better job of getting these cars to the right people no one would care. But it’s a circus with everyone’s hand in the cookie jar, brown envelope as all over the place or loads of cars bought that you don’t want just to get the halo car that you then sell; the good news is overs is nearly over.

[RSVP911]

SFO said:

Taffy66 said:

Flipping per se is not the probem..The problem lies in the allocation system employed by OPCs..These special cars were designed by Porsche as driver's cars so when you see the huge majority of them advertised at significant premiums before being run in, flies in the face of Porsche's gifted engineers wishes..
Having said all that its a nice problem even for those that buy to keep as it props up used values..

OPCs mission is to make money, so they allocate cars to their best customers. All companies do that.

Porsche’s gifted engineers wishes - whatever you think they might be - are absolutely irrelevant.

But they aren’t always going to there best customers - it’s a very murky world .

[RSVP911]

JulierPass said:

Taffy66 said:

SFO said:

OPCs mission is to make money, so they allocate cars to their best customers. All companies do that.

Porsche’s gifted engineers wishes - whatever you think they might be - are absolutely irrelevant.

I fully realise that its the OPC's most loyal clients should get first dibs on the GT specials as a customer loyalty bonus scheme..I'm fortunate as i have a GT3 RS WP from new, however i have some friends at other OPCs who are also good loyal customers who were desperate to own the latest RS only to see them being given to flippers who then sell them with hardly any miles through JZM, RPM, Redline etc etc..
Loyalty should work both ways IMO like any good long term business dealings..

Problem is Taffy there are lots of people who are prepared to buy 2 boxsters a 992 and a cayenne inside 6 months to get themselves a slot just to be able to bragg to their mates they got a GT car. They then flog it on to try and recoup their losses through an indy. The others will sell it back through the opc and share the profit, but if they don't keep buying 2 boxsters a 992 and a cayenne they won't get the next car!

Some of us have been buying cars from the same dealer for a very long time and bought them when there was no overs to be had so are looked after.

You’re very lucky - a lot of OPC’s dropped thier long standing, loyal, long term big buyers for “super buyers” or “brown envelopes”

[Gixxerdave]

We were at Boxengasse today , never seen so many Porsche in one place , probably 90% were 911’s !!

amongst the many stunning cars , loads of lovely 70,s stuff , there was the beautiful green 991 Speedster that I’ve seen pictures of on here.

Beautiful PTS green with a stunning tan interior.

Looked even better in the flesh.

[isaldiri]

gtsralph said:

I think you will find the reason Lamborghini and McLaren don’t fit GPFs is because they don’t use DFI injection. The particulate standard in Euro6 for petroleum engines applies only to DFI engines.

I think you will also find since the gen2 gallardo the V10 has been dfi...

[gtsralph]

isaldiri said:

I think you will also find since the gen2 gallardo the V10 has been dfi...

Production stopped in 2013..

[Cheib]

RSVP911 said:

JulierPass said:

Taffy66 said:

SFO said:

OPCs mission is to make money, so they allocate cars to their best customers. All companies do that.

Porsche’s gifted engineers wishes - whatever you think they might be - are absolutely irrelevant.

I fully realise that its the OPC's most loyal clients should get first dibs on the GT specials as a customer loyalty bonus scheme..I'm fortunate as i have a GT3 RS WP from new, however i have some friends at other OPCs who are also good loyal customers who were desperate to own the latest RS only to see them being given to flippers who then sell them with hardly any miles through JZM, RPM, Redline etc etc..
Loyalty should work both ways IMO like any good long term business dealings..

Problem is Taffy there are lots of people who are prepared to buy 2 boxsters a 992 and a cayenne inside 6 months to get themselves a slot just to be able to bragg to their mates they got a GT car. They then flog it on to try and recoup their losses through an indy. The others will sell it back through the opc and share the profit, but if they don't keep buying 2 boxsters a 992 and a cayenne they won't get the next car!

Some of us have been buying cars from the same dealer for a very long time and bought them when there was no overs to be had so are looked after.

You’re very lucky - a lot of OPC’s dropped thier long standing, loyal, long term big buyers for “super buyers” or “brown envelopes”

Sadly this is very true....especially the latter comment.

Assuming Porsche will be cranking up volumes of 992 GT cars over and above the amount of 991.2 cars it will be an interesting two or three years. Just don’t think the market is there to support that volume given however good it is dynamically there will be areas where it doesn’t make people want to part with their cash...like the 718 GT4.

[Taffy66]

Cheib said:

Sadly this is very true....especially the latter comment.

Assuming Porsche will be cranking up volumes of 992 GT cars over and above the amount of 991.2 cars it will be an interesting two or three years. Just don’t think the market is there to support that volume given however good it is dynamically there will be areas where it doesn’t make people want to part with their cash...like the 718 GT4.

Hope what you say turns out true as everyone who wants one will get one and for the right reasons..It'll be a great car for sure..!

[isaldiri]

gtsralph said:

isaldiri said:

I think you will also find since the gen2 gallardo the V10 has been dfi...

Production stopped in 2013..

I said since. The gallardo/ huracan v10 is a derivative of the r8 v10 which is FSI aka dfi in Audi-speak.

[Taffy66]

isaldiri said:

gtsralph said:

isaldiri said:

I think you will also find since the gen2 gallardo the V10 has been dfi...

Production stopped in 2013..

I said since. The gallardo/ huracan v10 is a derivative of the r8 v10 which is FSI aka dfi in Audi-speak.

You are quite correct,,The current Lambo Huracan engines are indeed DFI and the reason they were exempted from the onerous EU regs is simply down to VAG's corporate lawyers successfully arguing that Lambo are a separate trading entity.

[Cheib]

Taffy66 said:

Cheib said:

Sadly this is very true....especially the latter comment.

Assuming Porsche will be cranking up volumes of 992 GT cars over and above the amount of 991.2 cars it will be an interesting two or three years. Just don’t think the market is there to support that volume given however good it is dynamically there will be areas where it doesn’t make people want to part with their cash...like the 718 GT4.

Hope what you say turns out true as everyone who wants one will get one and for the right reasons..It'll be a great car for sure..!

The 991.2 cars were built in big volumes but there were two main things driving the demand for those cars.....the engine and the availability of the manual gearbox. Those cars were in every aspect superior to their predecessor.

We also had an artificially low number of 991.2 GT3 RS and GT2 RS because of manufacturing issues related to WLTP....we had 50 less 991.2 GT3 RS than 991.1 GT3 RS. I don’t think if we’d had 50 more cars there would be a premium now.

[gunner]

Good point. They made far too many GT2RS cars in the US. It's well known that there are 50 ish unsold cars there sitting in warehouses which US dealers simply don't know what to do with...

[2010spy]

gunner said:

Good point. They made far too many GT2RS cars in the US. It's well known that there are 50 ish unsold cars there sitting in warehouses which US dealers simply don't know what to do with...

Hi Gunner, not doubting this is true, but how do you know (ps nice garage - we have two cars in common). How do the 911R and the Touring compare. You are probably one of the very few people that has both.

[Cheib]

gunner said:

Good point. They made far too many GT2RS cars in the US. It's well known that there are 50 ish unsold cars there sitting in warehouses which US dealers simply don't know what to do with...

Didn’t know that but was aware the US had got a lot of cars as Porsche obviously couldn’t sell as many cars in Europe as it was expecting to.