991.2 GT3 sell now or keep dilemma
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He also references the throttle response in the Speedster which he didn't like and the only journalist to my knowledge who has mentioned this. Will this make its way into the 992 GT3? Anyway, I'm going to stick with my 991.2. But I have just a put a deposit down for the Yaris GR - never been so excited about a car before!
Porsche911R said:
JulierPass said:
This is spot on. As I've said before, I run my 991.2 GT3 manual CS daily. Its a good car in isolation but it's not great when compared to other GT3's that came before.
I have said 2 years ago this car is an iconic grail car.Guess what popped up this week
https://youtu.be/e2zWdIlIX4Y
Goto 3 minutes in, and Harris now says, this s
ts all over the old cars and is the holy grail of cars.With the normal “bearded rose tinted specs of older car owners hype”
He also said which I have also said, it's already too fast for the road, so any new version of it is pointless.
Funny that he has just said every thing I said 2 years ago about the 991.2 manual and the new engine.
Chris is always bias to his own cars,holly grail is as bad as his old gt2 being worth a mill now.
Porsche911R said:
JulierPass said:
This is spot on. As I've said before, I run my 991.2 GT3 manual CS daily. Its a good car in isolation but it's not great when compared to other GT3's that came before.
I have said 2 years ago this car is an iconic grail car.Guess what popped up this week
https://youtu.be/e2zWdIlIX4Y
Goto 3 minutes in, and Harris now says, this s
ts all over the old cars and is the holy grail of cars.With the normal “bearded rose tinted specs of older car owners hype”
He also said which I have also said, it's already too fast for the road, so any new version of it is pointless.
Funny that he has just said every thing I said 2 years ago about the 991.2 manual and the new engine.
GT4RS said:
The 991.2 gt3 is the highest produced Porsche GT car to date.
Goes to show how successful the GT range is to to the Porsche brand.
Problem will be in years to come as supply out strips demand.
Not really and it depends which way you look at production numbers.Goes to show how successful the GT range is to to the Porsche brand.
Problem will be in years to come as supply out strips demand.
Supply won't outstrip demand thats why even now approaching Xmas with all the associated headwinds av spec cars are still above list retail even with above av mileage and at 3 years old.
Don't forget of the 622 total UK GT3s 40 odd were manual Tourings the remainder split four ways basically between comfort manual comfort PDK CS manual and CS PDK so 5 subsections of the same car.
Whereas with the c600 981 GT4s these comprised all manuals with only 2 subsections of comfort and CS also factor in 718 manual numbers v only 332 991.1 GT3s all PDK and the total volume of GT4s of similar specs far exceeds 991 GT3 numbers.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 15th November 22:29
Porsche911R said:
JulierPass said:
This is spot on. As I've said before, I run my 991.2 GT3 manual CS daily. Its a good car in isolation but it's not great when compared to other GT3's that came before.
I have said 2 years ago this car is an iconic grail car.Guess what popped up this week
https://youtu.be/e2zWdIlIX4Y
Goto 3 minutes in, and Harris now says, this s
ts all over the old cars and is the holy grail of cars.With the normal “bearded rose tinted specs of older car owners hype”
He also said which I have also said, it's already too fast for the road, so any new version of it is pointless.
Funny that he has just said every thing I said 2 years ago about the 991.2 manual and the new engine.
I just don't see the next gt3 being inferior to the 991.2, or less rewarding. What evidence is there to show otherwise?
As for "it's already fast enough", that was already true of the 997.1.
I'd expect the newer car to be better, whether in manual or pdk, and perhaps even to be available without the silly nonsense of speculator pricing or begging OPCs to be allowed to buy one (though time will tell).
Also, there are some who don't want secondhand, but want to spec their own, run it in etc.
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
The 991.2 gt3 is the highest produced Porsche GT car to date.
Goes to show how successful the GT range is to to the Porsche brand.
Problem will be in years to come as supply out strips demand.
Not really and it depends which way you look at production numbers.Goes to show how successful the GT range is to to the Porsche brand.
Problem will be in years to come as supply out strips demand.
Supply won't outstrip demand thats why even now approaching Xmas with all the associated headwinds av spec cars are still above list retail even with above av mileage and at 3 years old.
Don't forget of the 622 total UK GT3s 40 odd were manual Tourings the remainder split four ways basically between comfort manual comfort PDK CS manual and CS PDK so 5 subsections of the same car.
Whereas with the c600 981 GT4s these comprised all manuals with only 2 subsections of comfort and CS also factor in 718 manual numbers v only 332 991.1 GT3s all PDK and the total volume of GT4s of similar specs far exceeds 991 GT3 numbers.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 15th November 22:29
Once the new latest and greatest 992 gt lands there is going to be plenty for sale, and that’s purely down to the 9500 made.
When you consider they only produced 682 996 gt3 rs cars worldwide, the demand for the 991 has been huge and both series have been produced in far far higher numbers.
The big question is, as a number of people now don’t see these are free motoring will the demand still be there?
Skrambles said:
Porsche911R said:
JulierPass said:
This is spot on. As I've said before, I run my 991.2 GT3 manual CS daily. Its a good car in isolation but it's not great when compared to other GT3's that came before.
I have said 2 years ago this car is an iconic grail car.Guess what popped up this week
https://youtu.be/e2zWdIlIX4Y
Goto 3 minutes in, and Harris now says, this s
ts all over the old cars and is the holy grail of cars.With the normal “bearded rose tinted specs of older car owners hype”
He also said which I have also said, it's already too fast for the road, so any new version of it is pointless.
Funny that he has just said every thing I said 2 years ago about the 991.2 manual and the new engine.
I just don't see the next gt3 being inferior to the 991.2, or less rewarding. What evidence is there to show otherwise?
As for "it's already fast enough", that was already true of the 997.1.
I'd expect the newer car to be better, whether in manual or pdk, and perhaps even to be available without the silly nonsense of speculator pricing or begging OPCs to be allowed to buy one (though time will tell).
Also, there are some who don't want secondhand, but want to spec their own, run it in etc.
The 718 gt4 was easy enough to get a build slot and a lot of people cancelled orders and turned build slots down this time around for the gt4, the 992 will hopefully be available to the ones who want to specify and enjoy the car as intended rather than looking it as a quick tax free money spinner.
Only time will tell.
What will the 992 gt3 really offer? With what trade-offs? The 991.2 gt3 (touring to be exact) out of all gens until now, seems to be the sweet spot, great engine high revving usable engine (torque), great gearbox, good simple interior with just the right ammount of comforts, beautiful design, already on the limits of wayy too big to be fun (992 by the lools of it is even chunkier), can be spec quite light and sub 3000 pounds is not a pipe dream.
Brakes great, everything works and is pretty bloody reliable for once in any gt3 in history, sounds great (slipped thru opf).
What will the 992 gt3 actually offer? More weight, asmathic sound, loads of aero more brake, more power, loads uglier, bigger in size, but why would it make it a nicer car to drive and own? 992 Gt3 rs, maybe, track refugee and all that, but on the gt3? I do not see the appeal besides the keeping up with the joneses
Brakes great, everything works and is pretty bloody reliable for once in any gt3 in history, sounds great (slipped thru opf).
What will the 992 gt3 actually offer? More weight, asmathic sound, loads of aero more brake, more power, loads uglier, bigger in size, but why would it make it a nicer car to drive and own? 992 Gt3 rs, maybe, track refugee and all that, but on the gt3? I do not see the appeal besides the keeping up with the joneses
Skrambles said:
Porsche911R said:
JulierPass said:
This is spot on. As I've said before, I run my 991.2 GT3 manual CS daily. Its a good car in isolation but it's not great when compared to other GT3's that came before.
I have said 2 years ago this car is an iconic grail car.Guess what popped up this week
https://youtu.be/e2zWdIlIX4Y
Goto 3 minutes in, and Harris now says, this s
ts all over the old cars and is the holy grail of cars.With the normal “bearded rose tinted specs of older car owners hype”
He also said which I have also said, it's already too fast for the road, so any new version of it is pointless.
Funny that he has just said every thing I said 2 years ago about the 991.2 manual and the new engine.
I just don't see the next gt3 being inferior to the 991.2, or less rewarding. What evidence is there to show otherwise?
As for "it's already fast enough", that was already true of the 997.1.
I'd expect the newer car to be better, whether in manual or pdk, and perhaps even to be available without the silly nonsense of speculator pricing or begging OPCs to be allowed to buy one (though time will tell).
Also, there are some who don't want secondhand, but want to spec their own, run it in etc.
Cheib said:
GT4RS said:
I do think the 992 gt numbers will be lower than the 991.2 gt3 due to lower investor demand.
I’m doubtful of that, remembering that in Europe we got less GT3 RS and GT2 RS than we should have due to production of EU cars stopping because of new emission regulations. We may have got 100 more of each based on normal % of production.Porsche senior execs are on record as saying they don’t like they’re cars ending up as investments and seeing flippers making huge money...they’d much rather make 20% more cars and see more normal market values and see the cars getting driven. You don’t want to flush things down the toilet but they’re a long way from doing that.
Don’t know how right these numbers are but my guess is they are about right given the increase in allocation to the UK....the increase in production numbers of 991.2 over 991.1 is pretty big and massive compared to earlier cars. I really don’t see 992 production being reduced.
Came from here https://www.porscheknowledge.com/gt3-production-bu...
JulierPass said:
I think you’ll also find that CH waxes lyrical about the Mac 720s. That is in a different league performance wise to the gt3. You need to take what journos say with a pinch of salt especially if it’s their car they are talking about.
Please Dont spoil r day,he thinks everything on u tube and mags is fact
rather than experience.Yellow491 said:
Please Dont spoil r day,he thinks everything on u tube and mags is factrather than experience.
How's your Ti exhaust ?rather than experience.All my post are gained from owning 80+ cars and driving.
I poo poo all jurno's but Harris comments are always interesting, he seems to buck the trend for click bait and also owner 100 odd cars.
Porsche911R said:
Yellow491 said:
Please Dont spoil r day,he thinks everything on u tube and mags is factrather than experience.
How's your Ti exhaust ?rather than experience.Let me get this right for you
All my rubbish post are gained from owning 80+ cars and Not driving them as intended
I poo poo all jurno's but Harris comments are always interesting, he seems to buck the trend for click bait and also owner 100 odd cars.
JulierPass said:
Skrambles said:
Porsche911R said:
JulierPass said:
This is spot on. As I've said before, I run my 991.2 GT3 manual CS daily. Its a good car in isolation but it's not great when compared to other GT3's that came before.
I have said 2 years ago this car is an iconic grail car.Guess what popped up this week
https://youtu.be/e2zWdIlIX4Y
Goto 3 minutes in, and Harris now says, this s
ts all over the old cars and is the holy grail of cars.With the normal “bearded rose tinted specs of older car owners hype”
He also said which I have also said, it's already too fast for the road, so any new version of it is pointless.
Funny that he has just said every thing I said 2 years ago about the 991.2 manual and the new engine.
I just don't see the next gt3 being inferior to the 991.2, or less rewarding. What evidence is there to show otherwise?
As for "it's already fast enough", that was already true of the 997.1.
I'd expect the newer car to be better, whether in manual or pdk, and perhaps even to be available without the silly nonsense of speculator pricing or begging OPCs to be allowed to buy one (though time will tell).
Also, there are some who don't want secondhand, but want to spec their own, run it in etc.
Yellow491 said:
Does not seem so accurate, the 2018/2019 rs are different cars.
To the inhabitants of PH they are but I am not sure the wider world sees that. 991.2 GTS made after summer 2018 are different to the slightly earlier cars as they have GPF...nobody makes a differentiation. I know in the case of the RS there’s different engine architecture not just GPF and Weissach was available but I don’t think for something like that table of production numbers it would classify as different. I also sat up and took notice of that Harris comment watching the vid last week. However, he didn't give too much context so it's worth a caveat that in objective terms the 991.2 GT3 probably does pi$$ on a RS 4.0. But we buy these cars with heart as much as head, so what about subjectively?
The 991 GT3 marks a bit of a watershed moment for GT3s.
On the whole - is a buyer of a 991 GT3 looking for a similar experience as a 997 GT3 owner? The later cars are so much more habitable and usable, less of a niche if you like. So the higher build numbers thing becomes a bit moot as the potential market is that much bigger. To put it another way, putting aside perceived investment value, how big, really, is the market for a 996 GT3 RS or 997 GT3 RS as tool for driving pleasure amongst the driving public at large (i.e. the universe beyond PH)? Not large I'd say.
Fair play if you daily your 991 GT3 - I applaud your commitment driving on Cup2s throughout the winter, I really do. Every sports car is a compromise in some way. The 991 GT3s represent less of a compromise than ever before. And the 992 GT3 will be, I'm sure, an ever better all rounder. Therefore will open up the market to an even wider audience potentially.
The 991 GT3 marks a bit of a watershed moment for GT3s.
On the whole - is a buyer of a 991 GT3 looking for a similar experience as a 997 GT3 owner? The later cars are so much more habitable and usable, less of a niche if you like. So the higher build numbers thing becomes a bit moot as the potential market is that much bigger. To put it another way, putting aside perceived investment value, how big, really, is the market for a 996 GT3 RS or 997 GT3 RS as tool for driving pleasure amongst the driving public at large (i.e. the universe beyond PH)? Not large I'd say.
Fair play if you daily your 991 GT3 - I applaud your commitment driving on Cup2s throughout the winter, I really do. Every sports car is a compromise in some way. The 991 GT3s represent less of a compromise than ever before. And the 992 GT3 will be, I'm sure, an ever better all rounder. Therefore will open up the market to an even wider audience potentially.
GT4RS said:
av185 said:
GT4RS said:
The 991.2 gt3 is the highest produced Porsche GT car to date.
Goes to show how successful the GT range is to to the Porsche brand.
Problem will be in years to come as supply out strips demand.
Not really and it depends which way you look at production numbers.Goes to show how successful the GT range is to to the Porsche brand.
Problem will be in years to come as supply out strips demand.
Supply won't outstrip demand thats why even now approaching Xmas with all the associated headwinds av spec cars are still above list retail even with above av mileage and at 3 years old.
Don't forget of the 622 total UK GT3s 40 odd were manual Tourings the remainder split four ways basically between comfort manual comfort PDK CS manual and CS PDK so 5 subsections of the same car.
Whereas with the c600 981 GT4s these comprised all manuals with only 2 subsections of comfort and CS also factor in 718 manual numbers v only 332 991.1 GT3s all PDK and the total volume of GT4s of similar specs far exceeds 991 GT3 numbers.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 15th November 22:29
Once the new latest and greatest 992 gt lands there is going to be plenty for sale, and that’s purely down to the 9500 made.
When you consider they only produced 682 996 gt3 rs cars worldwide, the demand for the 991 has been huge and both series have been produced in far far higher numbers.
The big question is, as a number of people now don’t see these are free motoring will the demand still be there?
He is one of the very few who can drive and while funny with understeer on every GT3 model, you get a feel for the cars and what makes them fun to own/drive.
Most Jurno's now are after click bait and every review is 100% perfect on every car today, even the new BMW M every one loves the grill !
out in the real would every one hates it. Even Sutcliffe and the old guys have had to resort to exciting positive reviews which you cannot believe.
If Harris put his own money where his mouth is on the cars he wants to own you know they are going to be fun.
the 991.2 manual is a very special car, you can tell that within 10 ,miles of driving it. Very few Porkers are Special. Most can be great but few are Special.
Yes you can always improve on them as Porsche GT dept are a strange bunch stuck in stone on a few things.
But drop 250 lbs and fit some TTX dampers, the 991.2 GT3 is about the best thing on the road today, in fact it's already iconic standard.
if you have owned many many cars and driven a million miles you just know a special car.
some times people big up their own cars because they have kept them and know what's good, I have slagged off just about ever car I have owned, hence owning so many. So trying to work out who is bigging up cars as it's all they have on some massive PCP or who is bigging up cars because they are great. A big tell is always what Jurno's buy with their own money I find.
Most Jurno's now are after click bait and every review is 100% perfect on every car today, even the new BMW M every one loves the grill !
out in the real would every one hates it. Even Sutcliffe and the old guys have had to resort to exciting positive reviews which you cannot believe.
If Harris put his own money where his mouth is on the cars he wants to own you know they are going to be fun.
the 991.2 manual is a very special car, you can tell that within 10 ,miles of driving it. Very few Porkers are Special. Most can be great but few are Special.
Yes you can always improve on them as Porsche GT dept are a strange bunch stuck in stone on a few things.
But drop 250 lbs and fit some TTX dampers, the 991.2 GT3 is about the best thing on the road today, in fact it's already iconic standard.
if you have owned many many cars and driven a million miles you just know a special car.
some times people big up their own cars because they have kept them and know what's good, I have slagged off just about ever car I have owned, hence owning so many. So trying to work out who is bigging up cars as it's all they have on some massive PCP or who is bigging up cars because they are great. A big tell is always what Jurno's buy with their own money I find.
Heathrow said:
I also sat up and took notice of that Harris comment watching the vid last week. However, he didn't give too much context so it's worth a caveat that in objective terms the 991.2 GT3 probably does pi$$ on a RS 4.0. But we buy these cars with heart as much as head, so what about subjectively?
The 991 GT3 marks a bit of a watershed moment for GT3s.
On the whole - is a buyer of a 991 GT3 looking for a similar experience as a 997 GT3 owner? The later cars are so much more habitable and usable, less of a niche if you like. So the higher build numbers thing becomes a bit moot as the potential market is that much bigger. To put it another way, putting aside perceived investment value, how big, really, is the market for a 996 GT3 RS or 997 GT3 RS as tool for driving pleasure amongst the driving public at large (i.e. the universe beyond PH)? Not large I'd say.
Fair play if you daily your 991 GT3 - I applaud your commitment driving on Cup2s throughout the winter, I really do. Every sports car is a compromise in some way. The 991 GT3s represent less of a compromise than ever before. And the 992 GT3 will be, I'm sure, an ever better all rounder. Therefore will open up the market to an even wider audience potentially.
The 991.2 GT3 is more broadly more focused and 'hardcore' than its predecessor 991.1 GT3.The 991 GT3 marks a bit of a watershed moment for GT3s.
On the whole - is a buyer of a 991 GT3 looking for a similar experience as a 997 GT3 owner? The later cars are so much more habitable and usable, less of a niche if you like. So the higher build numbers thing becomes a bit moot as the potential market is that much bigger. To put it another way, putting aside perceived investment value, how big, really, is the market for a 996 GT3 RS or 997 GT3 RS as tool for driving pleasure amongst the driving public at large (i.e. the universe beyond PH)? Not large I'd say.
Fair play if you daily your 991 GT3 - I applaud your commitment driving on Cup2s throughout the winter, I really do. Every sports car is a compromise in some way. The 991 GT3s represent less of a compromise than ever before. And the 992 GT3 will be, I'm sure, an ever better all rounder. Therefore will open up the market to an even wider audience potentially.
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