991.2 gt3 - when is right to buy

[av185]

Sapphire Crayon and Miami tend to be more marmite colours on the GT3.

[imycool]

Don't think crayon was popular, but i like it. Miami is nice and suits the car

[RSVP911]

Crayon on the GT3 looks absolutely fantastic as long as there are lots of black accents - Crayon always looks poor in photos, but it’s lovely in the metal

[Cheib]

This is the crayon car. You need to see crayon in the metal IMHO, I’d agree with RSVP that it looks good with the right spec. Doesn’t work on a Panny though...car is too big for it.

Interesting thing is that they’re advertising this car for £10k less than the manual Sapphire car which sold very quickly. Maybe we’re starting to see that premium for manual cars most people expected.

https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/9780361-118533...

[Cheib]

angussampson said:

Thanks.. yes noticed th Redline... my girlfriend thinks “it looks like a normal car colour...!”

Intersting ... GR .

Is Crayon popular ?

Is Miami popular ? Girlfriend likes this colour...

Son thinks I should borrow extra 60 k and get an RS.......... I said he may inherit lots more cash in 40 years.....

You’re girlfriend is right in that sapphire is a colour that’s popular on other models....that said with silver wheels and these decals looks fantastic...shame the Redline car has the black wheels which don’t work as well with Sapphire.

[imycool]

I think sapphire is one of the nicer colours on the gt3. Certainly better than black/grey/yellow

[franki68]

Cheib said:

hunter 66 said:

Lightweight , no harness cage .

Yup. I toyed with going with no cage but decided I wanted it for the sense of occasion....glad I did. Although lightwieight is Manual. Llardy spec is PDK and Cage...PDK is 20 or 30kg more than Manual. So at least I don’t have PDK and a Cage!

Pdk is 17kg extra I thought.
Maybe it’s me but I have back to backed numerous specs over the years and if you can notice a 17kg difference in a 1.5 tonne car I would find that remarkable .

[Porsche911R]

franki68 said:

Pdk is 17kg extra I thought.
Maybe it’s me but I have back to backed numerous specs over the years and if you can notice a 17kg difference in a 1.5 tonne car I would find that remarkable .

I think you start to notice at 30kg, but you can notice 8kg if on wheels.

I would say you would notice a PDK with cage and steels over a manual, no cage and PCCB as an example.

[franki68]

Porsche911R said:

I think you start to notice at 30kg, but you can notice 8kg if on wheels.

I would say you would notice a PDK with cage and steels over a manual, no cage and PCCB as an example.

Possibly but you would need to be incredibly sensitive to such things,you are talking about a something like a 2-3% difference in weight ?
I have not driven a caged car and have no idea what it weighs ?

[Taffy66]

franki68 said:

Possibly but you would need to be incredibly sensitive to such things,you are talking about a something like a 2-3% difference in weight ?
I have not driven a caged car and have no idea what it weighs ?

IIRC all PDK,Cage and Steels all weigh 17.5kg which collectively adds up to around 52kg..Probably enough to have a small effect on performance i would say..

[Porsche911R]

I can easy tell my other half and she is about 50kg, the scale grows quick though as an 80kg person in my cars feels really bad ie 80kg feels twice as bad as 50kg, but only 30kg more.

PDK, cage and steels would feel a lot different to manual, PCCB and no cage. or a comfort seated car with PDK and steels over the same again you would tell to a notable margin.

[av185]

imycool said:

I think sapphire is one of the nicer colours on the gt3. Certainly better than black/grey/yellow

Sapphires ok but is a non Porsche GT colour and normally associated and specced with GTS not GT models.

[av185]

Cheib said:

This is the crayon car. You need to see crayon in the metal IMHO, I’d agree with RSVP that it looks good with the right spec. Doesn’t work on a Panny though...car is too big for it.

Interesting thing is that they’re advertising this car for £10k less than the manual Sapphire car which sold very quickly. Maybe we’re starting to see that premium for manual cars most people expected.

https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/9780361-118533...

Bizarre that this car was specced with white dials Porsche crest sundym rear windows black wheels painted key and headlamp jets etc etc but not extended leather which most want on a £150k+ car.

Edited by av185 on Monday 11th March 10:19

[Juno]

Porsche911R said:

I can easy tell my other half and she is about 50kg, the scale grows quick though as an 80kg person in my cars feels really bad ie 80kg feels twice as bad as 50kg, but only 30kg more.

PDK, cage and steels would feel a lot different to manual, PCCB and no cage. or a comfort seated car with PDK and steels over the same again you would tell to a notable margin.

A PDK Clubsport is quicker around a track and quicker 0-62 than a manual car as far as I am aware so where is the gain from the lighter car?

[av185]

Juno said:

A PDK Clubsport is quicker around a track and quicker 0-62 than a manual car as far as I am aware so where is the gain from the lighter car?

Greater interaction?

[Cheib]

My son weighs 40 kg and I wouldn't have a clue if he's sat next to me or not from how the car drives. I am sure the better driver you are the more it can be noticed....I'm investing in some driving tuition this year...maybe one day I'll be able to tell.

I'd love to drive a steel braked car vs a PCCB car back to back...would just be interested to see if I can notice anything other than caliper colour!

[Cheib]

av185 said:

imycool said:

I think sapphire is one of the nicer colours on the gt3. Certainly better than black/grey/yellow

Sapphires ok but is a non Porsche GT colour and normally associated and specced with GTS not GT models.

You could say the same about most of the GT3 colours. I think the only two colours available on 991.2 GT3 that you could argue are GT colours are GT Silver and Lava Orange as they were both introduced on GT cars ? (Carrera GT and 991.1 GT3 RS respectively). Maybe Carrera White or Racing Yellow are but no idea what they were introduced on.

Think it's a real shame that they don't have a special colour for the GT3 like they do for the RS.

[Porsche911R]

Juno said:

A PDK Clubsport is quicker around a track and quicker 0-62 than a manual car as far as I am aware so where is the gain from the lighter car?

you loose 2/10th on a manual over a PDK every gear change, if the manual were slower down the straights it would be well off a PDK time if you added up all the 2/10th loss. the fact that they just about post the same time proves the lighter car is faster in some parts of the track and claws back some of those 2/10ths lost every change.

0-62 is all about launch control computers, do a rolling start from 30 mph the lighter car will always be faster in gear also less PARASITIC LOSS to the wheels so the manual will have more BHP to the wheels than the PDK car. many you tube vids of PDK vs manual GT3, you can see the PDK gain on gear change then loose once in gear.

it's all very small advantages like the PCCB debate going on in the other thread which was ruined by name calling. But a PCCB car would be faster than a steel car in a drag race, like for like even if it's just 1mm gain

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 11th March 11:14

[isaldiri]

Cheib said:

I'd love to drive a steel braked car vs a PCCB car back to back...would just be interested to see if I can notice anything other than caliper colour!

If done as a blind test and you didn't know which car had which brakes that would be really interesting.

[Cheib]

isaldiri said:

Cheib said:

I'd love to drive a steel braked car vs a PCCB car back to back...would just be interested to see if I can notice anything other than caliper colour!

If done as a blind test and you didn't know which car had which brakes that would be really interesting.

Pedal feel would give it away but would still like to do it.