Porsche give 10 year 120k warranty on exploding GT3 engines
Discussion
Cheib said:
The colour on the current car is Miami Blue....it's a bit of a marmite colour and nowhere near as popular as Riviera Blue...if Riviera was available on the .2 I reckon you'd see 30% of cars ordered in it!
JZM had a similar car in maybe April or May priced at £135k which sold in a day or so...can't remember if it had PCCB's but for a Clubsport car if you want to track it PCCB's aren't the default option.
Given the warranty news you'd expect this car to sell quickly but cars are definitely not moving as quickly as they were. As JZM said in their monthly sales report recently cars like 997.2 GT3's aren't selling as quickly as they were in Q1.
Same carJZM had a similar car in maybe April or May priced at £135k which sold in a day or so...can't remember if it had PCCB's but for a Clubsport car if you want to track it PCCB's aren't the default option.
Given the warranty news you'd expect this car to sell quickly but cars are definitely not moving as quickly as they were. As JZM said in their monthly sales report recently cars like 997.2 GT3's aren't selling as quickly as they were in Q1.
Slippydiff said:
These look to have some wear on the "pad" that bears on the cam lobe. The pad is given a DLC or Diamond Like Coating that should be very hard wearing, it should be black as can be seen on the pad on follower A. However on follower B the black has gone (worn away) and the base metal beneath is wearing and scuffed. Eventually the cam will wear and not provide the correct amount of lift, but in doing so will deposit lots of fine metallic particles into the inside of the engine, this ultimately ends up in the oil, and metallic particles in your oil, don't allow it to lubricate as intended.....
The failure of the DLC can be down to two issues : Insufficient lubricant of what is very high load/high friction interaction between two metallic parts, or poor surface coating.
The failure of the DLC can be down to two issues : Insufficient lubricant of what is very high load/high friction interaction between two metallic parts, or poor surface coating.
Edited by Slippydiff on Tuesday 8th August 18:32
Is it fair to summarize this as "inadequate simulation & test" + "wrong material choice", in total, S-h-i-t engineering at its best?
I think, this is purely demonstrating again, how sloppy their engineers in general, going back to m96/m97 engine issues...
ooid said:
Slippydiff said:
These look to have some wear on the "pad" that bears on the cam lobe. The pad is given a DLC or Diamond Like Coating that should be very hard wearing, it should be black as can be seen on the pad on follower A. However on follower B the black has gone (worn away) and the base metal beneath is wearing and scuffed. Eventually the cam will wear and not provide the correct amount of lift, but in doing so will deposit lots of fine metallic particles into the inside of the engine, this ultimately ends up in the oil, and metallic particles in your oil, don't allow it to lubricate as intended.....
The failure of the DLC can be down to two issues : Insufficient lubricant of what is very high load/high friction interaction between two metallic parts, or poor surface coating.
The failure of the DLC can be down to two issues : Insufficient lubricant of what is very high load/high friction interaction between two metallic parts, or poor surface coating.
Is it fair to summarize this as "inadequate simulation & test" + "wrong material choice", in total, S-h-i-t engineering at its best?
I think, this is purely demonstrating again, how sloppy their engineers in general, going back to m96/m97 engine issues...
Slippydiff said:
ooid said:
Slippydiff said:
These look to have some wear on the "pad" that bears on the cam lobe. The pad is given a DLC or Diamond Like Coating that should be very hard wearing, it should be black as can be seen on the pad on follower A. However on follower B the black has gone (worn away) and the base metal beneath is wearing and scuffed. Eventually the cam will wear and not provide the correct amount of lift, but in doing so will deposit lots of fine metallic particles into the inside of the engine, this ultimately ends up in the oil, and metallic particles in your oil, don't allow it to lubricate as intended.....
The failure of the DLC can be down to two issues : Insufficient lubricant of what is very high load/high friction interaction between two metallic parts, or poor surface coating.
The failure of the DLC can be down to two issues : Insufficient lubricant of what is very high load/high friction interaction between two metallic parts, or poor surface coating.
Is it fair to summarize this as "inadequate simulation & test" + "wrong material choice", in total, S-h-i-t engineering at its best?
I think, this is purely demonstrating again, how sloppy their engineers in general, going back to m96/m97 engine issues...
phil bird said:
Out of interest.. would fitting a magnetic sump plug give me some early indication if this issue? As I plan to change the oil more often than scheduled servicing
Possibly, but I'd use these guys rather than rely on a visual inspection of the drain plug:http://www.millersoils.co.uk/services/oil-analysis
Slippydiff said:
phil bird said:
Out of interest.. would fitting a magnetic sump plug give me some early indication if this issue? As I plan to change the oil more often than scheduled servicing
Possibly, but I'd use these guys rather than rely on a visual inspection of the drain plug:http://www.millersoils.co.uk/services/oil-analysis
A positive thread quickly turned in to a negative good old Pistonhead readers.
The design is that bad Porsche have now given all owners a 10 year 120k warranty and to date Porsche had not refused to rectify any problems prior to this warranty announcement.
This gives all owners complete peace of mind which is in my book a large POSITIVE to ownership of a GT3.
The design is that bad Porsche have now given all owners a 10 year 120k warranty and to date Porsche had not refused to rectify any problems prior to this warranty announcement.
This gives all owners complete peace of mind which is in my book a large POSITIVE to ownership of a GT3.
LindsayMac said:
Cheib said:
The colour on the current car is Miami Blue....it's a bit of a marmite colour and nowhere near as popular as Riviera Blue...if Riviera was available on the .2 I reckon you'd see 30% of cars ordered in it!
JZM had a similar car in maybe April or May priced at £135k which sold in a day or so...can't remember if it had PCCB's but for a Clubsport car if you want to track it PCCB's aren't the default option.
Given the warranty news you'd expect this car to sell quickly but cars are definitely not moving as quickly as they were. As JZM said in their monthly sales report recently cars like 997.2 GT3's aren't selling as quickly as they were in Q1.
Same carJZM had a similar car in maybe April or May priced at £135k which sold in a day or so...can't remember if it had PCCB's but for a Clubsport car if you want to track it PCCB's aren't the default option.
Given the warranty news you'd expect this car to sell quickly but cars are definitely not moving as quickly as they were. As JZM said in their monthly sales report recently cars like 997.2 GT3's aren't selling as quickly as they were in Q1.
spyderlight said:
A positive thread quickly turned in to a negative good old Pistonhead readers.
The design is that bad Porsche have now given all owners a 10 year 120k warranty and to date Porsche had not refused to rectify any problems prior to this warranty announcement.
This gives all owners complete peace of mind which is in my book a large POSITIVE to ownership of a GT3.
Is it too much to expect a bullet-proof engine from one of the most important car brands/manufacturers on their limited edition models like GT?The design is that bad Porsche have now given all owners a 10 year 120k warranty and to date Porsche had not refused to rectify any problems prior to this warranty announcement.
This gives all owners complete peace of mind which is in my book a large POSITIVE to ownership of a GT3.
How do you approve the final form/material of such a critical component without doing proper simulations and test? when you have potential owners (or candidates on these cars) waiting to pick these cars up for years to enjoy them with a complete peace of mind as you said?
ooid said:
Is it too much to expect a bullet-proof engine from one of the most important car brands/manufacturers on their limited edition models like GT?
How do you approve the final form/material of such a critical component without doing proper simulations and test? when you have potential owners (or candidates on these cars) waiting to pick these cars up for years to enjoy them with a complete peace of mind as you said?
Agreed. They have only made a handful of decent engines in the water cooled era when you think about it. How do you approve the final form/material of such a critical component without doing proper simulations and test? when you have potential owners (or candidates on these cars) waiting to pick these cars up for years to enjoy them with a complete peace of mind as you said?
This is the thread from Rennlist that has the Porsche announcement at the bottom.
However I spoke to someone this morning that has mentioned it to a couple of dealers and they didn't have a clue but that isn't uncommon!
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r...
However I spoke to someone this morning that has mentioned it to a couple of dealers and they didn't have a clue but that isn't uncommon!
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-gt3rs-and-911r...
This for the doubters on here and as l previously posted its GLOBAL.
What other manufacture would do this on a car that can be used on a track?
UK Porsche dealerships know less than some of the owners.
Porsche Offers World's Longest Engine Warranty on the Wild 911 GT3
www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a11658728/porsche-99...
2 days ago - The 475-horsepower GT3, a track-attacking monster built from 2013-2016, gets a 120000-mile warranty to quell owners' fears.
What other manufacture would do this on a car that can be used on a track?
UK Porsche dealerships know less than some of the owners.
Porsche Offers World's Longest Engine Warranty on the Wild 911 GT3
www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a11658728/porsche-99...
2 days ago - The 475-horsepower GT3, a track-attacking monster built from 2013-2016, gets a 120000-mile warranty to quell owners' fears.
isaldiri said:
Well it's not exactly a fully comprehensive 10 year warranty though. It's for a very specific issue ie the finger follower wear.
Thats right but it covers the issue that has been giving the problem which has been a concern to owners thats all that matters which keeps owners SMILING in what is a fantastic car.http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a11658728/por...
Road and Car said:
Carr told Road & Track that, interestingly, the few cars affected by this issue were ones that weren't being driven hard enough. You were more likely to have issues with the finger followers if you only drove your car around town, never taking it to the track.
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