'99 996 3.4 ULEZ NOx Emissions

[shalmaneser]

FriedMarsBar said:

Dammit said:

My car is a SA vehicle, originally, which means that Porsche UK refused to supply a certificate of conformity for it (despite it being a standard, early 996 in terms of cats and so on).

Anyone have a suggestion of a route I could follow to get something official that shows it's emission status?

I found this site when I was researching a motorcycle, I didnt use it in the end but there must be something similar for cars?

https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/how-to-get-a-motorc...

There isn't, it's for bikes only

[nsa]

Does NOx appear on the MOT printout? I'm not in the country so don't have a copy at hand.

[Smollet]

nsa said:

Does NOx appear on the MOT printout? I'm not in the country so don't have a copy at hand.

No. Only HC and CO

[Smollet]

Finally got my CoC from Porsche. Now to contact TfL to make car ULEZ compliant.

[stretcher]

I have just received an email back from Porsche asking for either my V5 or a sales receipt as proofof ownership. As i have only just purchased my 3.4 car i only have a written sales receipt from the seller. Anyone managed to get through the owner proof process using just a sales receipt. ? Don't wish to waste 30 day's to then get a knockback.

[Smollet]

stretcher said:

I have just received an email back from Porsche asking for either my V5 or a sales receipt as proofof ownership. As i have only just purchased my 3.4 car i only have a written sales receipt from the seller. Anyone managed to get through the owner proof process using just a sales receipt. ? Don't wish to waste 30 day's to then get a knockback.

The sales receipt should work. I see no reason as to why it shouldn't. Otherwise, wait for the V5 to come through

[stretcher]

Smollet said:

The sales receipt should work. I see no reason as to why it shouldn't. Otherwise, wait for the V5 to come through

I will give it a shot. Previous owner is removing the reg so V5 could be a few months off knowing the DVLA.

[Smollet]

stretcher said:

Smollet said:

The sales receipt should work. I see no reason as to why it shouldn't. Otherwise, wait for the V5 to come through

I will give it a shot. Previous owner is removing the reg so V5 could be a few months off knowing the DVLA.

It amazes me how long it takes to get a new V5 processed. It shouldn’t take longer than a few working days.

[Smollet]

Just received this
“ The ULEZ operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, excluding Christmas day, in central London within the area up to, but not including North Circular Road (A406) and South Circular Road (A205).
Based on the information that you have provided, your vehicle registration C7JUG is subject to the ULEZ and does not meet the emissions standards.
This means you will need to pay the appropriate ULEZ charge and if applicable, the Congestion Charge and LEZ charge. If you do not pay the charge(s) you may receive Penalty Charge Notice(s) for one or more schemes.
As your vehicle does not comply with the ULEZ standards, you can choose to pay the charge or use an alternative form of travel. For example:
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Walk, cycle or use public transport.
Upgrade to a new (or newer) vehicle model that meets the ULEZ standards
Join a car club. All car club vehicles meet the ULEZ standards. Find out more about car clubs at
tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/car-clubs
Switch to a zero emission capable vehicle. More information can be found at tfl.gov.uk/modes/dr

[madras]

Hi just following on from this rather than starting a new thread.

I also succesfully had an e39 b10 added to ulez with NOx compliance certificate. from Alpina.

BUT - can anyone suggest somewhere to get a car tested for its current NOx level if the manufacturer does not have this information. I want to see if TFL will also accept this for a car that has NOx levels under 0.08.

Many thanks!

[shalmaneser]

madras said:

Hi just following on from this rather than starting a new thread.

I also succesfully had an e39 b10 added to ulez with NOx compliance certificate. from Alpina.

BUT - can anyone suggest somewhere to get a car tested for its current NOx level if the manufacturer does not have this information. I want to see if TFL will also accept this for a car that has NOx levels under 0.08.

Many thanks!

I've never heard of this with a car - I believe you can do this for motorbikes but I don't think there is any provision for this if you have more than two wheels. It's a shame as it would provide a good route for enthusiasts who want a retro daily for an engine swap.

Interested to hear if you can unearth something but I reckon it will be tricky to convince tfl.

[nsa]

Does anyone know what equipment is required to test NOx for cars? If ULEZ+ happens it would appear to be a no-brainer to buy one of these machines and offer tests at 200 pounds a go.

[FriedMarsBar]

nsa said:

Does anyone know what equipment is required to test NOx for cars? If ULEZ+ happens it would appear to be a no-brainer to buy one of these machines and offer tests at 200 pounds a go.

That assumes TFL would accept them.

I have a strong suspicion that TFL would be reluctant to accept them as they're keener than ever to increase their income.

[ATM]

FriedMarsBar said:

nsa said:

Does anyone know what equipment is required to test NOx for cars? If ULEZ+ happens it would appear to be a no-brainer to buy one of these machines and offer tests at 200 pounds a go.

That assumes TFL would accept them.

I have a strong suspicion that TFL would be reluctant to accept them as they're keener than ever to increase their income.

This

It is not in their interest for cars to produce less emissions or be proven to do so. They just want their money.

What do they do with this money?
Do they spend it on stuff which makes the air cleaner?

Or do they spend it on more and more staff to send out more and more reminders and fines.

[FriedMarsBar]

ATM said:

What do they do with this money?

.

I assume it's to fill the hole created by significantly less tube fares?

[nsa]

FriedMarsBar said:

That assumes TFL would accept them.

I have a strong suspicion that TFL would be reluctant to accept them as they're keener than ever to increase their income.

I read that only one garage has invested in the testing equipment for motorbikes, and they can upload results directly to the TFL system.

[markiii]

is it inherently different for bikes? I assume the same equipment and garage could test cars?

[ATM]

markiii said:

is it inherently different for bikes? I assume the same equipment and garage could test cars?

A car is much much heavier than a bike. So therefore it must consume way more fuel comparatively. Therefore the slightest improvement in emissions is surely multiplied in a car compared to a bike. I'd guess they dont want cars being more efficient and if they become more efficient they will move the goal posts. But in the meantime they would have a hard time objecting to owners doing this because it sends the wrong message. So I say someone should try it. Give this garage a call and ask them if they can accommodate a car. Not sure if this is just revs while bike / car / machine is idling and stationary or on a roller and under load?

When I went down the rabbit hole getting my 986 classified as ULEZ exempt with CAZ, one of the many threads I was spamming about this had an interesting reply from some well educated engineering type, or so he / she / they seemed. They suggested that the rules around the testing of vehicles had changed between EUR 3 and EUR 4 and therefore just looking at the numbers in the result was meaningless. I remember in that program about VW cheating on the testing of their diesels they showed a car in a controlled environment sitting on rollers and simulating driving at x speed. I believe they have now changed these rules so that cars cant frig the results. So the numbers from the previous tests compared to the numbers from the later tests could be completely different.

I know the later 996 3.4 cars have an aux air pump. Surely pumping fresh air into the exhaust will make the emissions look lower than they are on a volume basis. But now I have reached the end of my brain power on this subject.

[madras]

ok I rang this place https://www.uleztesting.co.uk/#about and apparently no one is doing it in the UK, no one has setup a business to offer this service.

It would require a full Euro emissions test on a rolling road. It sounds like in theory if someone was offering this for cars as well as bikes then we could get euro 3 cars with NOx lower than 0.08 added in situations where the manufacturer does not have the figure. TFL pretty quickly added a euro 3 car with certificate for me.

If anyone knows any different or a business doing this let us know!

thanks!

[Biggy Stardust]

I have a '99 996. I asked Porsche for a conformity certificate which they provided. I contacted ULEZ who weren't entirely helpful but when I spelled out the emissions on the certificate & pointed it out that they were satisfactory ULEZ relented & granted me conformity.

No major drama or physical testing.