VIN discrepancy 3.2 Carrera

VIN discrepancy 3.2 Carrera

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Lungauer

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295 posts

154 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Some interior shots. Clearly I am loathe to let this drop or I wouldn't be going on about it.

I can't see the join...



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Koln-RS

3,895 posts

214 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Pics look promising, but I’m still mystified about the supposed LHD to RHD conversion.
There’s only one way For it to have been done properly, and it is very expensive!
A PPI, which I think you definitely need anyway, would clarify this.
Back in the day some E30 M3s and Delta HFs we’re converted but the view was never popular- a lot of chopped and joined looms, rewelding, and parts (new?) for the steering, pedal box, lighting, emissions, dash. US cars have a lot of differences to ROW.
Fascinating to know the outcome.

Richard Hamilton

523 posts

263 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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IMI A said:
Why not just buy something like this one? If you contact 911v they get some stunning G50 from time to time. You're so much better off just buying a straight car.

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1415/9113....
That was mine. Sad to see it go, but life moves on.

Lungauer

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295 posts

154 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Richard Hamilton said:
That was mine. Sad to see it go, but life moves on.
Replaced with anything, or leaving fossil fuel hobbies behind?

chris9682

16 posts

140 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Have a look at the position of the passenger and drivers door mirrors.
From memory I think they are in different positions on the doors depending on wether the car is lhd or rhd.
Although if the car has been converted to rhd I suppose the mirror positions could have been changed during the conversion.
Regards
Chris


Richard Hamilton

523 posts

263 months

Thursday 20th February 2020
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Lungauer said:
Richard Hamilton said:
That was mine. Sad to see it go, but life moves on.
Replaced with anything, or leaving fossil fuel hobbies behind?
The 3.2 is a lovely thing, but I got far too precious about it, and spent more time looking at it than driving it. I'm going back to something more modern which I will use more. I'm looking for a 981 Cayman.

supersport

4,104 posts

229 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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I would also look at the smugglers box. It’s tidgy on the RHD model and huge on LHD. You assume this area would have been re-worked bug time in a conversion.


Adam B

27,427 posts

256 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Lungauer said:
Mind you I'm wondering about the viability of fossil fuelled hobby cars at all these days. Not such an easy decision now that government and public opinion against the ICE has gathered such momentum, not without good cause it might well be said.
Surely much better for the planet to recycle old ICE cars than use up its resources creating a new electric car?

Looks a very nice example by the way, especially sans spoiler

IMI A

9,431 posts

203 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Richard Hamilton said:
IMI A said:
Why not just buy something like this one? If you contact 911v they get some stunning G50 from time to time. You're so much better off just buying a straight car.

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/1415/9113....
That was mine. Sad to see it go, but life moves on.
Looks lovely. I'd be very happy with that car in my garage. Lucky new owner and 911v sold mine in a flash too. 30 mins or something daft. They're obviously pricing their air cooled competitively as theirs tend to fly out the door.

OP on this car it looks sound on the face of it. The question is whether with your extra spend tinkering on the car post buying will she end up costing more than the car linked? If so better to buy one like Richards old car. Also the 3.2 Carrera engine very expensive to extract extra power from. Mine was no slower than my 964 C2 and you had to keep her above 4k rpm but this was no chore. Super cars and probably the best classic 911 to buy as a way into classic Porsche ownership. You're obviously missing your black 964!

Lungauer

Original Poster:

295 posts

154 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Richard Hamilton said:
The 3.2 is a lovely thing, but I got far too precious about it, and spent more time looking at it than driving it. I'm going back to something more modern which I will use more. I'm looking for a 981 Cayman.
I do get that. The newer cars do everything you want them to straight out of the box, without having to pamper them (though many of us do). Mind you just looking at them is part of it too - if they're pretty enough.

Lungauer

Original Poster:

295 posts

154 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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chris9682 said:
Have a look at the position of the passenger and drivers door mirrors.
From memory I think they are in different positions on the doors depending on wether the car is lhd or rhd.
Although if the car has been converted to rhd I suppose the mirror positions could have been changed during the conversion.
Regards
Chris
Thanks. Checked the photos and the driver's door mirror is further forward than the passenger one, which is correct if my old 964 is anything to go by.

Lungauer

Original Poster:

295 posts

154 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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supersport said:
I would also look at the smugglers box. It’s tidgy on the RHD model and huge on LHD. You assume this area would have been re-worked bug time in a conversion.
Not sure I know where the smuggler's box is to be honest, or how big it's supposed to be on a RHD?

Lungauer

Original Poster:

295 posts

154 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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IMI A said:
Looks lovely. I'd be very happy with that car in my garage. Lucky new owner and 911v sold mine in a flash too. 30 mins or something daft. They're obviously pricing their air cooled competitively as theirs tend to fly out the door.

OP on this car it looks sound on the face of it. The question is whether with your extra spend tinkering on the car post buying will she end up costing more than the car linked? If so better to buy one like Richards old car. Also the 3.2 Carrera engine very expensive to extract extra power from. Mine was no slower than my 964 C2 and you had to keep her above 4k rpm but this was no chore. Super cars and probably the best classic 911 to buy as a way into classic Porsche ownership. You're obviously missing your black 964!
IMI A - you've got me bang to rights. Really miss my lovely black 964. Should never have sold it. So I'm back on the trail for a classic but thought I'd go to the previous generation for a change. No ABS or power steering - and I was never a fan of the shark fins on the 964. Glad to hear yours was no slower than the 964 which was a surprisingly heavy car.

All true what you say about spending money on a project though, but part of the fun is the project itself. Deciding what to do, sourcing parts, making it personal - all that. There was an interesting Harry's Garage video on the Club Sport which was something of an inspiration (that car's engine was only blueprinted and seemed fast enough). Given where we're heading this may well be my last 911 purchase...

Fastpedeller

3,915 posts

148 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Lungauer said:
supersport said:
I would also look at the smugglers box. It’s tidgy on the RHD model and huge on LHD. You assume this area would have been re-worked bug time in a conversion.
Not sure I know where the smuggler's box is to be honest, or how big it's supposed to be on a RHD?
That's cos it's well hidden because of its intended use ! wink

RSVP911

8,192 posts

135 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Fastpedeller said:
Lungauer said:
supersport said:
I would also look at the smugglers box. It’s tidgy on the RHD model and huge on LHD. You assume this area would have been re-worked bug time in a conversion.
Not sure I know where the smuggler's box is to be honest, or how big it's supposed to be on a RHD?
That's cos it's well hidden because of its intended use ! wink
What is it - never heard of this before ? Thanks smile

Richard Hamilton

523 posts

263 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Here you go (RHD):


Lungauer

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295 posts

154 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Thank you Richard - all becomes clear. Seems that the car in question is the same.

Are there any other clues here showing it to be an original RHD?







Edited by Lungauer on Friday 21st February 17:19

Rich_AR

1,964 posts

206 months

Friday 21st February 2020
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Quick google, this is a LHD car. Smugglers box is larger:-



Edited by Rich_AR on Friday 21st February 21:02

C4ME

1,208 posts

213 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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It is a major project to convert a 911 from LHD to RHD. To be done properly requires the car to be rebuilt from the dashboard/bulkhead forward. Therefore if done properly it will have all the correct RHD panels including the smugglers box (as this provides access to the steering mechanism and requires different shaped panels between LHD and RHD).

it is a shame Porsche will not be more helpful as the most important thing value wise is what Porsche think the car is. Although Porsche will not provide details of the car to non-owners I do know people who have had success asking specific questions such as if the chassis, engine number and production number are a matching trio. It might be worth trying again and asking them if they will confirm the chassis/VIN are valid and if the car was LHD.

Edited by C4ME on Saturday 22 February 00:15

supersport

4,104 posts

229 months

Saturday 22nd February 2020
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Rich_AR said:
Quick google, this is a LHD car. Smugglers box is larger:-



Edited by Rich_AR on Friday 21st February 21:02
That’l be it on a LHD. Totally different. But as other poster said if it’s done right.