996 GT3 what’s your thoughts ?

[ttdan]

MDL111 said:

Harris_I said:

MDL111 said:

I suspect you will have a much smaller buyer pool than an unmodified car. Might take a while to find a person that is willing to pay similar pricing to an unmodified car - just an opinion based on some of the threads on here

Yeah I just had a conversation with LaSource, same sentiment. The pool is small. I wonder if it makes more sense for me to sell into Europe via mobile.de (it's a left hooker!). Or maybe it's such a faff, I might just not bother. But that would be a bit like boxing up a superb piece of art and leaving it in a forgotten corner of a warehouse...

I’d say putting up a listing on mobile.de can’t do any harm
Would be a shame to let it go though given you built it, raced it, brought it back with you etc from memory

There a potential vat bill for anyone importing from uk to eu to consider , add the hassle factor and its probably going to need to quite keenly priced for mobile.de

Smaller market for a modified car certainly but still a market. There’s plenty of people who want a usable car for track days and these are one of the best experiences out there from a pure driving perspective.

[ferrisbueller]

Why would there be a VAT Bill?

[Harris_I]

MDL111 said:

I’d say putting up a listing on mobile.de can’t do any harm
Would be a shame to let it go though given you built it, raced it, brought it back with you etc from memory

I know, I know! Too many memories, too much sentimental attachment, and too much of my time and money invested into making it exactly to my taste (none of which I will ever get back).

But it's criminally underused and it makes no sense sitting about. Ultimately this will come down to head vs heart.

[ttdan]

ferrisbueller said:

Why would there be a VAT Bill?

I read it on the internet…


Same the other way too. There’s probably some exceptions around personal belongings when moving etc, maybe other stuff not sure.

[ferrisbueller]

ttdan said:

ferrisbueller said:

Why would there be a VAT Bill?

I read it on the internet…


Same the other way too. There’s probably some exceptions around personal belongings when moving etc, maybe other stuff not sure.

If the duty was already paid on the car how could be it applied retrospectively? It's always been the case that if duty hadn't be paid then it would need to be via processes like NOVA.

There's now bonds to ensure cars don't vanish but I've not seen anything about VAT so would be grateful for a reference.

[ttdan]

ferrisbueller said:

ttdan said:

ferrisbueller said:

Why would there be a VAT Bill?

I read it on the internet…


Same the other way too. There’s probably some exceptions around personal belongings when moving etc, maybe other stuff not sure.

If the duty was already paid on the car how could be it applied retrospectively? It's always been the case that if duty hadn't be paid then it would need to be via processes like NOVA.

There's now bonds to ensure cars don't vanish but I've not seen anything about VAT so would be grateful for a reference.

click the link in my post. Some info there. They don’t seem to care if vat was paid previously, if you’re in the eu and want to import to the eu from outside it then import duty and vat is due. Reverse is the same

[ferrisbueller]

ttdan said:

ferrisbueller said:

ttdan said:

ferrisbueller said:

Why would there be a VAT Bill?

I read it on the internet…


Same the other way too. There’s probably some exceptions around personal belongings when moving etc, maybe other stuff not sure.

If the duty was already paid on the car how could be it applied retrospectively? It's always been the case that if duty hadn't be paid then it would need to be via processes like NOVA.

There's now bonds to ensure cars don't vanish but I've not seen anything about VAT so would be grateful for a reference.

click the link in my post. Some info there. They don’t seem to care if vat was paid previously, if you’re in the eu and want to import to the eu from outside it then import duty and vat is due. Reverse is the same

I did and understood it referred to UK cars (and potentially only new ones)?

[ttdan]

I think there’s less differentiation between new and used than you’d expect. I can’t find a whole lot of info that tells us what a resident of the EU would need to pay. I would absolutely think it will be similar to importing a car to the UK. Post Brexit importing to UK from anywhere needs to pay duty and vat. It was always the case before Brexit from non Eu countries anyway. Yes there are concessions for people re locating and I think for vehicles over 30 years old. And I believe the free trade aspect of the brexit deal may negate the duty part from EU to UK and vice versa.

I can’t conceive a scenario where UK wants their VAT on imports and EU doesn’t.

For new cars, any goods actually, a German dealer could remove vat on their sale. That liability then falls to the buyer (importer ) etc when that car enters UK.

So, the unfathomable part is, that even though on any used car vat has been paid long, long ago when it was new. it’s on the table again if you want to sell it outside UK.

This is just my understanding of it.

[Swine Enthusiast]

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10477515

This has been on the market for a while. LHD - anyone know of the car?

[Cheburator mk2]

Swine Enthusiast said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10477515

This has been on the market for a while. LHD - anyone know of the car?

Comfort spec car with "high miles" for the UK market, standard brakes, non-OEM buckets, crap photos... It almost looks like the garage isn't really bothered about selling it... Price is about right provided it has no bodywork stories to tell...

[AQRS2]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Comfort spec car with "high miles" for the UK market, standard brakes, non-OEM buckets, crap photos... It almost looks like the garage isn't really bothered about selling it... Price is about right provided it has no bodywork stories to tell...

I couldn’t agree more re not wanting to sell it, I seriously considered buying this car in December and had it inspected, it’s a total dog, mish mash of suspension, 1x C2 shock, 1x something else and some rooted OE shocks on the front, cracked rear bumper, every panel has had some kind of paint repair, dent in the front wing and on the roof, more over rev’s than ever seen before by Porsche Inspections, welded up rear wheels x2, and the list goes on it’s a 25k car at best. I wrote tye vendors a nice email justifying an offer of 34k and they didn’t even have the courtesy to respond. Don’t waste your time with Slades, they have no interest in selling the car, it’s a SoR and I would imagine they get a monthly fee for storage.

I ended up purchasing a factory spec 996.1 CS from Car Vault in Wallingford, it was a night and day experience, Ben Willis could not have made the transaction from the previous owner to me easier.

I managed to sneak the paperwork past the French customs on 22 Dec 2020 therefore avoiding the 20% VAT and 10% Import tax that I would have been eligible for, had I not completed the declaration before the 31 December, almost 10k saved.

Edited by AQRS2 on Friday 13th August 13:46

[Swine Enthusiast]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Comfort spec car with "high miles" for the UK market, standard brakes, non-OEM buckets, crap photos... It almost looks like the garage isn't really bothered about selling it... Price is about right provided it has no bodywork stories to tell...

Has buckets it seems but looks awful.

[Swine Enthusiast]

AQRS2 said:

I couldn’t agree more re not wanting to sell it, I seriously considered buying this car in December and had it inspected, it’s a total dog, mish mash of suspension, 1x C2 shock, 1x something else and some rooted OE shocks on the front, cracked rear bumper, every panel has had some kind of paint repair, dent in the front wing and on the roof, more over rev’s than ever seen before by Porsche Inspections, welded up rear wheels x2, and the list goes on it’s a 25k car at best. I wrote Slades a nice email justifying an offer of 34k and they didn’t even have the courtesy to respond. Don’t waste your time with Slades, they have no interest in selling the car, it’s a SoR and I would imagine they get a monthly fee for storage.

I ended up purchasing a factory spec 996.1 CS from Car Vault in Wallingford, it was a night and day experience, Ben Willis could not have made the transaction from the previous owner to me easier.

I managed to sneak the paperwork past the French customs on 22 Dec 2020 therefore avoiding the 20% VAT and 10% Import tax that I would have been eligible for, had I not completed the declaration before the 31 December, almost 10k saved.

Wow, an absolute dog! I feel sorry for the unsuspecting person who doesn't do their DD on this car and is enamoured with the idea of a GT3 (which was me an hour ago) and takes the plunge.

Reckon it was a track slag?

[AQRS2]

Swine Enthusiast said:

AQRS2 said:

I couldn’t agree more re not wanting to sell it, I seriously considered buying this car in December and had it inspected, it’s a total dog, mish mash of suspension, 1x C2 shock, 1x something else and some rooted OE shocks on the front, cracked rear bumper, every panel has had some kind of paint repair, dent in the front wing and on the roof, more over rev’s than ever seen before by Porsche Inspections, welded up rear wheels x2, and the list goes on it’s a 25k car at best. I wrote Slades a nice email justifying an offer of 34k and they didn’t even have the courtesy to respond. Don’t waste your time with Slades, they have no interest in selling the car, it’s a SoR and I would imagine they get a monthly fee for storage.

I ended up purchasing a factory spec 996.1 CS from Car Vault in Wallingford, it was a night and day experience, Ben Willis could not have made the transaction from the previous owner to me easier.

I managed to sneak the paperwork past the French customs on 22 Dec 2020 therefore avoiding the 20% VAT and 10% Import tax that I would have been eligible for, had I not completed the declaration before the 31 December, almost 10k saved.

Wow, an absolute dog! I feel sorry for the unsuspecting person who doesn't do their DD on this car and is enamoured with the idea of a GT3 (which was me an hour ago) and takes the plunge.

Reckon it was a track slag?

Definitely, it was used by the owner in Spain, it lived at his villa in Marbella. The roll cage was fitted when it was almost brand new by a reputable Swiss outfit that specialise in track car preparation, it was originally a Swiss market car.

All the suspension arms that are susceptible to wear need doing too, it’s so out of shape you have to wrestle it to drive in a straight line!

[Slippydiff]

Swine Enthusiast said:

Wow, an absolute dog! I feel sorry for the unsuspecting person who doesn't do their DD on this car and is enamoured with the idea of a GT3 (which was me an hour ago) and takes the plunge.

Reckon it was a track slag ?

No matter how shiny they are, there're still a 22 year old car, and many were used very hard early on in their lives and on into middle age too.
No harm in that if they're well maintained AND NOT abused by knuckle dragging neanderthals devoid of mechanical sympathy, but unfortunately plenty were.

I proper PPi by someone who knows their finer points is essential. Unlike a certain contributor to this forum, who no longer graces us with his presence, I don't subscribe to the "if the ashtray is full the car needs a £20K refresh" theory.

The stock dampers need to be in fine fettle, likewise the springs and various bushes/balljoints etc.
Worn/tired clutches make for a heavy, often graunchy clutch pedal, and cheap, poorly adjusted short shifters make for an unpleasant, recalcitrant gearshift. The latter can mask fubarr'ed synchros (that'll be down to the KDN I referred to earlier)

The stock brake discs need to be devoid of corrosion on their inner faces, the pads decent quality and the fluid likewise.

With some decent, modern tyres and well set up suspension, the car should be a pleasure to drive.

At some point you'll need to factor in radiators and aircon condensors, but that applies to all 996's be they C2/4, Turbo etc etc

It's essential you go into ownership with your eyes wide open, they were expensive cars new, and at 20 years old, they're just as expensive IF you drive them as their maker intended (and they do need regular exercise)
When all is said and done, they're wonderful analogue cars. But as someone who knows his Porsches well, said to me recently "buy cheap, buy twice" ...

Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 13th August 14:10

[Swine Enthusiast]

Slippydiff said:

No matter how shiny they are, there're still a 22 year old car, and many were used very hard early on in their lives and on into middle age too.
No harm in that if they're well maintained AND NOT abused by knuckle dragging neanderthals devoid of mechanical sympathy, but unfortunately plenty were.

I proper PPi by someone who knows their finer points is essential. Unlike a certain contributor to this forum, who no longer graces us with his presence, I don't subscribe to the "if the ashtray is full the car needs a £20K refresh" theory.

The stock dampers need to be in fine fettle, likewise the springs and various bushes/balljoints etc.
Worn/tired clutches make for a heavy, often graunchy clutch pedal, and cheap, poorly adjusted short shifters make for an unpleasant, recalcitrant gearshift. The latter can mask fubarr'ed synchros (that'll be down to the KDN I referred to earlier)

The stock brake discs need to be devoid of corrosion on their inner faces, the pads decent quality and the fluid likewise.

With some decent, modern tyres and well set up suspension, the car should be a pleasure to drive.

At some point you'll need to factor in radiators and aircon condensors, but that applies to all 996's be they C2/4, Turbo etc etc

It's essential you go into ownership with your eyes wide open, they were expensive cars new, and at 20 years old, they're just as expensive IF you drive them as their maker intended (and they do need regular exercise)
When all is said and done, they're wonderful analogue cars. But as someone who knows his Porsches well, said to me recently "buy cheap, buy twice" ...

Edited by Slippydiff on Friday 13th August 14:10

Great response, thanks for this. I am looking at GT3's but pitfalls abound!

Whatever happened to cmoose?

[Cheburator mk2]

Swine Enthusiast said:

Great response, thanks for this. I am looking at GT3's but pitfalls abound!

Whatever happened to cmoose?

I think he threw his toys out of the pram a few too many times and got kicked out/left out of his own accord... He could be very nice and some of his road tests articles that he shared on here made for good reading, but sometimes he came across as a right tt and that was that...

[Slippydiff]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Swine Enthusiast said:

Great response, thanks for this. I am looking at GT3's but pitfalls abound!

Whatever happened to cmoose?

I think he threw his toys out of the pram a few too many times and got kicked out/left out of his own accord... He could be very nice and some of his road tests articles that he shared on here made for good reading, but sometimes he came across as a right tt and that was that...

Rightly or wrongly, I tend to think he's occasionally back on here under a different username ...
His knowledge of all things 996/997/986/987 (not the GT cars) was incredibly useful, unfortunately his oft rude, argumentative, contrary, arrogant, belittling, and sanctimonious attitude, were less so.

A shame he couldn't have been less abrasive, but in an uncharacteristically candid post on here, he once admitted he enjoyed being contrary for the sake of it.
If that's your chosen modus operandi, fine, but practice it on/with those that are seeking similar interactions at a debating society. Or perhaps The PH Lounge section ...

[ditchvisitor]

Even though mine was £80k from Paragon I genuinely think whichever lucky sole bought it has bought one of the best, if not the best, useable and most sorted 996.1 GT3s out there.

[GT6 Jonsey]

Wow
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1376840