992 GT3.. is here....

992 GT3.. is here....

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Cunno

511 posts

159 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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isaldiri said:
Melvynr said:
What is this business of "rotating the car"
Basically the 'modern' way of driving a car quickly is to try to return the wheel straight asap to get on full power. You try to get the car turned and pointing the right way and would be prepared to sacrifice some apex speed in order to do so.
Me thinks he may of been taking the peeeee

TDT

Original Poster:

4,956 posts

121 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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Melvynr said:
What is this business of "rotating the car"
https://youtu.be/i8yrBuDFCwM

https://speedsecrets.com/rotating-the-car-the-key-...

Cunno said:
Me thinks he may of been taking the peeeee
Ah! getmecoat



Edited by TDT on Tuesday 8th December 20:09

isaldiri

18,781 posts

170 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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TDT said:
Cunno said:
Me thinks he may of been taking the peeeee
Ah! getmecoat
Uh. ok me too... getmecoat

RSVP911

8,192 posts

135 months

Tuesday 8th December 2020
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993rsr said:
RSVP911 said:
Do you still do this - or just track work now ? smile
Not been back since but we should definitely organise a day or two in 2021.

Edited by 993rsr on Tuesday 8th December 09:24
Sounds like Yellow’s Porsche day would be just the ticket then smile

Melvynr

1,404 posts

53 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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isaldiri said:
TDT said:
Cunno said:
Me thinks he may of been taking the peeeee
Ah! getmecoat
Uh. ok me too... getmecoat
No, wasn't taking the pee. Had it in my head it was a delicate manoeuvre on the edge of oversteer and not for the faint-hearted if you get it wrong. For that to work with the 991 GT3, wouldn't ESC need to be turned off with the car having RWS and Vectoring to the rear wheels?

Digga

40,457 posts

285 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Melvynr said:
isaldiri said:
TDT said:
Cunno said:
Me thinks he may of been taking the peeeee
Ah! getmecoat
Uh. ok me too... getmecoat
No, wasn't taking the pee. Had it in my head it was a delicate manoeuvre on the edge of oversteer and not for the faint-hearted if you get it wrong. For that to work with the 991 GT3, wouldn't ESC need to be turned off with the car having RWS and Vectoring to the rear wheels?
Would be better with ESC off on track anyway.

991 GT3 platform is perfectly capable of being 'rotated' though.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

267 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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UK car over rotation, or understeer ? new on copart ! reg HD18 ***





Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 9th December 08:53

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

267 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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rotation new ring vid :-( of lift off over steer ?

be carefull out there chaps.

1:
2:

end result.
3:

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 9th December 08:46

isaldiri

18,781 posts

170 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Digga said:
Melvynr said:
isaldiri said:
TDT said:
Cunno said:
Me thinks he may of been taking the peeeee
Ah! getmecoat
Uh. ok me too... getmecoat
No, wasn't taking the pee. Had it in my head it was a delicate manoeuvre on the edge of oversteer and not for the faint-hearted if you get it wrong. For that to work with the 991 GT3, wouldn't ESC need to be turned off with the car having RWS and Vectoring to the rear wheels?
Would be better with ESC off on track anyway.

991 GT3 platform is perfectly capable of being 'rotated' though.
The 991s are ok with ESC tbh if you drive such that you try to minimize interventions ie not larking around sideways. The 997 doesn't feel right with esc on - in the dry pretty much most of the time the 991 does.

There's a bit too much focus on the terminology perhaps. Driving at the edge of grip especially on corner entry is supposed to be tricky after all!

Dr S

5,000 posts

228 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Porsche911R said:
rotation new ring vid :-( of lift off over steer ?

be carefull out there chaps.

1:
2:

end result.
3:

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 9th December 08:46
The car spins at a spot where there is no opportunity for using a double apex/rotation...

993rsr

3,445 posts

251 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Porsche911R said:
UK car over rotation, or understeer ? new on copart ! reg HD18 ***
Still waiting for you to tell us who the two ex-F1 drivers are. rofl

Digga

40,457 posts

285 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Dr S said:
The car spins at a spot where there is no opportunity for using a double apex/rotation...
Correct. Just after Schwedenkreuz, on the way into Aremburg.

For the benefit of those who've never been (I know Dr S knows it) it's a frightening section, with the crest at Schwedenkreuz being one of the faster sections of track and this left hand corner following it also has a crest on the way in. When I was being taught the circuit, I was told NEVER to lft there. I always try to have a quick brake before the crest and always have a little, balancing throttle.

That is not the place to start fking about with rotation. Well, not for me anyway.

The common accident there, and what we may be looking at in those pictures, is a faster car catching someone and having nowhere to go. It happens.

Here's how: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd5QDcSoEMw

993rsr

3,445 posts

251 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Dr S said:
The car spins at a spot where there is no opportunity for using a double apex/rotation...
Dave earlier laugh


Yellow491

2,939 posts

121 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Porsche911R said:
UK car over rotation, or understeer ? new on copart ! reg HD18 ***





Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 9th December 08:53
Why would you put this pic on here ,im sure you know the owner posts occasionally!

Rotation works well when the car is set up perfectly and in the correct place,ignore the scare monger.
A little test on your car is useful in a safe place for track use,get the car in the corner and set some understeer,then a small lift to see if the car Is stable and tucks in tighter or Unstable and wants to bite you in your asssmile.
Most dont explore the limits Until its to late,no learning of what goes on,pec gives a very small part of the understanding,very often the driver is not ready to react and does not Know there own car in what ever situation.
Drive these cars with it all turned off and learn by building up the of skills at a sensible pace in sensible conditions,these latest cars have amazing amounts of grip to enjoy.

Melvynr

1,404 posts

53 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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This is what I call rotation

https://youtu.be/32I0Qso4sDg

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

267 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Digga said:
Correct. Just after Schwedenkreuz, on the way into Aremburg.

For the benefit of those who've never been (I know Dr S knows it) it's a frightening section, with the crest at Schwedenkreuz being one of the faster sections of track and this left hand corner following it also has a crest on the way in. When I was being taught the circuit, I was told NEVER to lft there. I always try to have a quick brake before the crest and always have a little, balancing throttle.

That is not the place to start fking about with rotation. Well, not for me anyway.

The common accident there, and what we may be looking at in those pictures, is a faster car catching someone and having nowhere to go. It happens.
I would say he just lifted on the crest and the back end went light.

I spun my Lotus within the 1st few weeks of getting it on a hump and lift off and smashed the car into the curb.

993rsr

3,445 posts

251 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Yellow491 said:
Porsche911R said:
UK car over rotation, or understeer ? new on copart ! reg HD18 ***





Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 9th December 08:53
Why would you put this pic on here ,im sure you know the owner posts occasionally!

Rotation works well when the car is set up perfectly and in the correct place,ignore the scare monger.
A little test on your car is useful in a safe place for track use,get the car in the corner and set some understeer,then a small lift to see if the car Is stable and tucks in tighter or Unstable and wants to bite you in your asssmile.
Most dont explore the limits Until its to late,no learning of what goes on,pec gives a very small part of the understanding,very often the driver is not ready to react and does not Know there own car in what ever situation.
Drive these cars with it all turned off and learn by building up the of skills at a sensible pace in sensible conditions,these latest cars have amazing amounts of grip to enjoy.
Most dont explore the limits Until its to late,no learning of what goes on,pec gives a very small part of the understanding,very often the driver is not ready to react and does not Know there own car in what ever situation.

^^ This.

And as for posting the picture of the RS, imagine how you'd feel if that was your car Dave. Thoughtless at the very least.

Yellow491

2,939 posts

121 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Melvynr said:
This is what I call rotation

https://youtu.be/32I0Qso4sDg
Very good.

guyvert1

1,856 posts

244 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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This is more like what you'll see here smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKz3RIlQSM8

av185

18,627 posts

129 months

Wednesday 9th December 2020
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Yellow491 said:
Melvynr said:
This is what I call rotation

https://youtu.be/32I0Qso4sDg
Very good.
fking brilliant!

Edited by av185 on Wednesday 9th December 11:04