Discussion
jm8403 said:
av185 said:
LordOfTheManor said:
is there any dealership in the country willing to order a new GT3 or RS ?
They will definitely order one but getting your name on the order to guarantee you that car is the difficult part.GTs are getting harder and harder to obtain generally though despite what a few posters claim. Not saying you can't get lucky with no history yes a few have managed to secure a GT4 due to overall increasing numbers but there have been very few 992 GT3s allocated to anyone with minimal buying history. Main problem is the sheer wealth ££ of the new breed of buyers who will literally spend £millions on vanilla Porsches just to get a GT allocation.
Folks claim these new buyers and flippers will now run for the hills bearing in mind the economic headwinds we now face and possible price correction but this now looks less likely and I for one remain unconvinced Porsches will soften substantially price wise but in this regard 2023 will be quite telling on many levels tbh.
gred said:
Monch said:
I've had both and kept the 991 touring, so much better than the 992
Interesting - I had a 991.2 GT3 and now have a 992 Touring and take the opposite view.Harris vid when driving the 992 it was the best thing since sliced bread and you just have to get one,now his 991 is better!
Yellow491 said:
Harris vid when driving the 992 it was the best thing since sliced bread and you just have to get one,now his 991 is better!
Exactly, and this is why I struggle to take him seriously as he contradicts himself. And he also must think people come off a banana boat when he says he can't afford to keep both or hasn't the space. The amount he earns from Top Gear and with being a partner in Collecting Cars, then you know he's just not being truthful.Koln-RS said:
I was told by a dealer (specialist, not Porsche) that the reason a lot of GT3s and RSs are low mileage, with often multiple owners, is not because they were bought by speculators, but because not everyone warms to their compromises, especially for regular road use.
So, if someone has a lot of money tied up in a car, that doesn’t quite meet their expectations, and it can be sold-on for a modest tax free profit, why not ?
Yes this is about it , after about 130k miles in GT Porsches on the road , over 27 years ,yes you have to compromise . But the newer cars are much easier , which is good as getting older So, if someone has a lot of money tied up in a car, that doesn’t quite meet their expectations, and it can be sold-on for a modest tax free profit, why not ?
Yellow491 said:
Its all subjective,why not elaborate on why which is better in both instances,genuinely interested.
Harris vid when driving the 992 it was the best thing since sliced bread and you just have to get one,now his 991 is better!
He did talk about being thrown out of his seat so firm was it and the incredible tyre noise both of which would bother you if driven a lot and mentioned the 991 felt more special if recall correctly .Harris vid when driving the 992 it was the best thing since sliced bread and you just have to get one,now his 991 is better!
av185 said:
jm8403 said:
av185 said:
LordOfTheManor said:
is there any dealership in the country willing to order a new GT3 or RS ?
They will definitely order one but getting your name on the order to guarantee you that car is the difficult part.GTs are getting harder and harder to obtain generally though despite what a few posters claim. Not saying you can't get lucky with no history yes a few have managed to secure a GT4 due to overall increasing numbers but there have been very few 992 GT3s allocated to anyone with minimal buying history. Main problem is the sheer wealth ££ of the new breed of buyers who will literally spend £millions on vanilla Porsches just to get a GT allocation.
Folks claim these new buyers and flippers will now run for the hills bearing in mind the economic headwinds we now face and possible price correction but this now looks less likely and I for one remain unconvinced Porsches will soften substantially price wise but in this regard 2023 will be quite telling on many levels tbh.
In Germany at least, the OPCs have to have a scoring system to allocate the cars in order to be compliant. Buying history plays an important role, but there are also other factors.
noneedtolift said:
OPC's get a fixed marked up on GT cars and it is mediocre compared to let's say the margin they get on a Turbo, even if the list price is higher on the GT car. So they are naturally looking to give the cars to customers that are likely to generete good margins in the future.
In Germany at least, the OPCs have to have a scoring system to allocate the cars in order to be compliant. Buying history plays an important role, but there are also other factors.
from memory Ferrari has something similar, you get points for cars bought historically, events attended, racing etc In Germany at least, the OPCs have to have a scoring system to allocate the cars in order to be compliant. Buying history plays an important role, but there are also other factors.
paralla said:
Not being an entitled a$$hole has worked for me.
I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Play their game and you will be treated well, if you racked up next week and said I’ve changed my mind and will be selling privately do you think your GT allocation might come to an abrupt halt?I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
^ This, I've always sold my cars back to the OPC at the price I bought them for and then get the option of the next GT car (within reason). I've never had to do any sucking up or any other 'incentives' or forced to buy a Porsche watch! I'm fully aware that if I sell privately that the arrangement terminated 'tout suit'
Change of subject somewhat..
I changed the Cup2's last weekend on my 992 Touring for Michelin alpine 5's.
What a transformation in road noise, i can actually use the phone to make and receive call!!
Overall i am very please with the tyres, huge amounts of grip.
Slight change of turn in (to be expected)
I changed the Cup2's last weekend on my 992 Touring for Michelin alpine 5's.
What a transformation in road noise, i can actually use the phone to make and receive call!!
Overall i am very please with the tyres, huge amounts of grip.
Slight change of turn in (to be expected)
Tomanybikes said:
paralla said:
Not being an entitled a$$hole has worked for me.
I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Play their game and you will be treated well, if you racked up next week and said I’ve changed my mind and will be selling privately do you think your GT allocation might come to an abrupt halt?I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Car dealerships offering less than retail as part exchange is normal. They will prep it and sell it with a warranty.
paralla said:
Tomanybikes said:
paralla said:
Not being an entitled a$$hole has worked for me.
I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Play their game and you will be treated well, if you racked up next week and said I’ve changed my mind and will be selling privately do you think your GT allocation might come to an abrupt halt?I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Car dealerships offering less than retail as part exchange is normal. They will prep it and sell it with a warranty.
jh001 said:
^ This, I've always sold my cars back to the OPC at the price I bought them for and then get the option of the next GT car (within reason). I've never had to do any sucking up or any other 'incentives' or forced to buy a Porsche watch! I'm fully aware that if I sell privately that the arrangement terminated 'tout suit'
Human perception is a funny thing!Isnt this sucking up and then bending over at the same time?? You have to sell your car back at list to get another car from them??
What happens if you want to keep it and buy another? Or if the car drops below what you've paid, do they still pay you list price back?
No wonder you dont have to buy a watch lol
rkwm1 said:
jh001 said:
^ This, I've always sold my cars back to the OPC at the price I bought them for and then get the option of the next GT car (within reason). I've never had to do any sucking up or any other 'incentives' or forced to buy a Porsche watch! I'm fully aware that if I sell privately that the arrangement terminated 'tout suit'
Human perception is a funny thing!Isnt this sucking up and then bending over at the same time?? You have to sell your car back at list to get another car from them??
What happens if you want to keep it and buy another? Or if the car drops below what you've paid, do they still pay you list price back?
No wonder you dont have to buy a watch lol
paralla said:
Tomanybikes said:
paralla said:
Not being an entitled a$$hole has worked for me.
I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Play their game and you will be treated well, if you racked up next week and said I’ve changed my mind and will be selling privately do you think your GT allocation might come to an abrupt halt?I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Car dealerships offering less than retail as part exchange is normal. They will prep it and sell it with a warranty.
bigmowley said:
Not sucking up at all. What an odd viewpoint. It’s called common sense and good practice. The choice is to enjoy a progression of very high quality, entertaining cars at absolutely no capital cost whatsoever. Or grab at any opportunity to make a fast buck them moan when you cannot get the next car. What are your motives? Enjoying life or money?
Not an odd view point and i stick by my statement!The person is returning their car to the supplying dealership, after using and enjoying it. The dealership then sells that car and should make the usual commission that they make off a car. That is good practice. To be held to ranson that they have to sell back at the price they have bought it at is imv a form of extortion!!
The person is not selling it through a third party and then returning and expecting another car!
When you purchase a car and it is worth less than you pay, the dealer does not offer to buy it back at what you bought it at, do they?!
All sorts of deals happen, but to claim that "I've never had to do any sucking up or any other 'incentives' " and be little people who have bought watches, when you are sucking up an £xx loss in not true!!
There is a captial cost of ownership of these cars! Having for example £150K sat in a car, is a £150K which could be working to bring in a passive income so there is a cost to ownership!
With regards to your point about "enjoying life or money", i find that an odd statement. Nobody purchasing these cars is working "pro bono publico"! Money is required to purchase these cars, therefore the money is buying you your enjoyment if cars are your thing....it is about get the right balance imo!
Edited by rkwm1 on Saturday 21st January 10:02
GT4RS said:
paralla said:
Tomanybikes said:
paralla said:
Not being an entitled a$$hole has worked for me.
I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Play their game and you will be treated well, if you racked up next week and said I’ve changed my mind and will be selling privately do you think your GT allocation might come to an abrupt halt?I've never been rude to, or talked down to by anyone at my OPC.
Part exchanging a 991.2 GT3 and taking delivery of a 992 GT3 next week.
Car dealerships offering less than retail as part exchange is normal. They will prep it and sell it with a warranty.
It’s retained more value than 99% of four and a half year old cars and still represents extremely good value motoring in an awesome car.
Edited to add that I’ve never been pressured to use Porsche finance or buy a watch and I never have.
Edited by paralla on Saturday 21st January 10:45
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