Flipped GT3.2's
Discussion
I-Mac said:
I suspect the reason most folk buy a 911T is precisely for this reason; I don't see the upside to that car (Slightly lighter but really a marketing exercise), unless you really, really needed to have the fixed-buckets in a brand new car..... C2S makes much more sense.....or a second hand GT4.
T actually quite a good package and many prefer it to the GT4.If you read the T thread many on there have bought the car entirely on its own merits.
Reminds me very much of a basic 997.1.
Don't forget free optional RS lightweight glass too.
LaSource said:
So, imv, the best strategy (if you are not cat 1 or 4)...is to either buy an overs car, or to give up chasing your tail and enjoy what you have/something else. Until the market dynamics change and the true enthusiast/track driver will still want a GT car whether it depreciates or not, and the people for whom it makes a sound financial purchase will melt away.
Must say, I agree with this. To be in with a shot at ordering a new (non-depreciating) GT, you've very likely already paid the 'overs' by turning over a number of normally depreciating cars.
And it's not like the flipped cars are in horrible colour combinations or missing important spec - not so long ago there weren't thousands of different ways to put a Porsche together; the simple formula of a great driver's car is there in all of them.
Sod the stitching.
LaSource said:
Previously a salesman would have said 'sorry, I have a long waiting list, I cannot help you'
Now more are saying 'well, if you buy this used GT car at retail+£50k or that 911T or that XXX then in the future you could be in a stronger position, but no promises of course'
This is what p's me off the most about this whole situation. You are encouraged to keep purchasing cars in the hope that you will get an allocation only to be told after buying a number of cars that you haven't spent enough to get one this time. However buy more cars as a another model is launching soon so you might get one of those.Now more are saying 'well, if you buy this used GT car at retail+£50k or that 911T or that XXX then in the future you could be in a stronger position, but no promises of course'
rkwm1 said:
LaSource said:
Previously a salesman would have said 'sorry, I have a long waiting list, I cannot help you'
Now more are saying 'well, if you buy this used GT car at retail+£50k or that 911T or that XXX then in the future you could be in a stronger position, but no promises of course'
This is what p's me off the most about this whole situation. You are encouraged to keep purchasing cars in the hope that you will get an allocation only to be told after buying a number of cars that you haven't spent enough to get one this time. However buy more cars as a another model is launching soon so you might get one of those.Now more are saying 'well, if you buy this used GT car at retail+£50k or that 911T or that XXX then in the future you could be in a stronger position, but no promises of course'
so its prob a better investment strategy than paying overs but you take the risk you dont get an alloc - 4 cars as i see it is the min to get in the game unless you have something else going on.
luckily for us Porsche make many other fine cars to enjoy, just you have to make do with knowing you are non only not in one of the halo cars but you are paying a lot more for the privilege than the guy who is in one
So relax. It's only a car. If you are not on the conveyor belt, then don't worry. There are plenty of older models, other brands, etc to enjoy.
Ask yourself what motivates you to want one? If it was the money making opportunity then sadly forget it, not going to happen.
If it was to experience a GT car on circuit or a fast country road, then there are plenty of older models out there and some say the older ones give a purer experience. Plus many are cheaper. It's the miles that give the smiles not the likes on Instagram.
Yes, there will be the "have's" proudly displaying their new purchase on social media, tagging their dealerships or other friends with the same cars, being ambassadorial. You just need to not worry about being the "have nots". That is what social media does. Turn yourself into the "have something elses"
Ok, off my sermon now
Ask yourself what motivates you to want one? If it was the money making opportunity then sadly forget it, not going to happen.
If it was to experience a GT car on circuit or a fast country road, then there are plenty of older models out there and some say the older ones give a purer experience. Plus many are cheaper. It's the miles that give the smiles not the likes on Instagram.
Yes, there will be the "have's" proudly displaying their new purchase on social media, tagging their dealerships or other friends with the same cars, being ambassadorial. You just need to not worry about being the "have nots". That is what social media does. Turn yourself into the "have something elses"
Ok, off my sermon now
av185 said:
T actually quite a good package and many prefer it to the GT4.
If you read the T thread many on there have bought the car entirely on its own merits.
Reminds me very much of a basic 997.1.
Don't forget free optional RS lightweight glass too.
most orders seem to be failed GT3 orders and buyers would rather the GT car if they were allowed one.If you read the T thread many on there have bought the car entirely on its own merits.
Reminds me very much of a basic 997.1.
Don't forget free optional RS lightweight glass too.
Car was launched also to pick up said orders, a marketing persons dream.
Cannot compare it to a 997 or a GT4, it's a turbo with no Sus adjustment !! the GT4 is a NA 3.8 GT car for the track, you don't track so the car was not for you in the 1st place ;-)
av185 said:
I-Mac said:
I suspect the reason most folk buy a 911T is precisely for this reason; I don't see the upside to that car (Slightly lighter but really a marketing exercise), unless you really, really needed to have the fixed-buckets in a brand new car..... C2S makes much more sense.....or a second hand GT4.
T actually quite a good package and many prefer it to the GT4.If you read the T thread many on there have bought the car entirely on its own merits.
Reminds me very much of a basic 997.1.
Don't forget free optional RS lightweight glass too.
I also suspect there are more T's made than people think.
Hopefully having a go in one next week!
Cheib said:
People seem to absolutely love the T and it definitely has me intrigued but I also think there are a fair amount of people who've bought it as a "relationship" purchase. JZM told me that's why the owner of the Miami Blue T they've had up for sale bought it and from what they said they have a handful of other customers with cars bought on a similar premise.
I also suspect there are more T's made than people think.
Hopefully having a go in one next week!
Exeter have a new one in stock, huge options list at £113kI also suspect there are more T's made than people think.
Hopefully having a go in one next week!
Porsche911R said:
Cannot compare it to a 997 or a GT4, the GT4 is a NA 3.8 GT car for the track, you don't track so the car was not for you in the 1st place ;-)
Funny.....I have both cars so I am comparing it.Rich you saying the GT4s not for me when I still own mine unlike you who as a flipper cashed in £££s.
av185 said:
Funny.....I have both cars so I am comparing it.
Rich you saying the GT4s not for me when I still own mine unlike you who as a flipper cashed in £££s.
You are becoming a clueless Troll on these forums and the less said about what you think I am doing the better.Rich you saying the GT4s not for me when I still own mine unlike you who as a flipper cashed in £££s.
I sold my GT4 after 2 years and I tracked it. It sold way below list price with 6k miles and I paid overs for the temporary stand in.
Please stop talking bulls
t on here on every post !!!we don't get on and don't agree on anything, lets never comment on each others post going forward, I think that would be best.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 24th May 14:19
Porsche911R said:
The usual drivel
I should stand back and take a good long look at yourself before you start criticising others.Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 24th May 14:19
As has been posted before you are well known by many as the forum tool, general s
t stirrer and posting gibberish as cmoose and many others have rightly pointed on numerous occasions and on numerous threads.Everyone knows how you constantly trolled the GT3 and 981 Spyder threads for years then ended up buying the cars! How ridiculous does that make you look.
Top comedy for real.
Lately as expected you have constantly trolled the Carrera T thread despite clearly never having even driven the car. Next thing true to form you will be buying one lol. You are clueless indeed.
At the same time you always ridicule other people's cars yet constantly and quite laughably big up your 987 Spyder and Cayman R as being the dogs danglies. Yawn.
This is an interesting and informative thread with great people and many contributors.
You have been told before by others on several occasions to wind your neck in.
That is good advice.
What causes the phenomenon of ‘Flipping’? I would define it’s cause & effect in two words - The Market.
Buying & selling of any commodity, such as a car, is subject to a number of push pulls in a multifaceted algorithm. We can rave as much as we like but it’ll be to no avail; we are at the mercy of the Market: powerless, indeed, just as the dealerships & Porsche are: the Market rules.
If you’re ranting about your inability to get a bit of the action or, conversely, you’re smugly sitting at home on a notional GT3 profit, take heart, or beware the fickle nature of the Market as the dynamic changes very quickly. I’m old enough to vividly remember the bubble of circa 1990. I benefited then; in being able to get a Ferrari for half the price I would have paid six months earlier. Now, in a complete volte face, my 3Touring is reaching value levels that are, frankly faintly ridiculous, but which could disappear, like mist in the hand, over a very short period of time... then, let’s see what transpires.
The Market rules. Jeez, Governments are in thrall to the Market - even the Market is ruled by the Market, so what chance have dealerships, Porsche, or little ole me or thee got of combatting its influences? Dictators & Countries fall, but the Market lives forever!!
On a related subject matter, for what it’s worth, my personal experience (which is all I can offer to the debate) of buying GT cars from a Porsche franchise is as follows. I’ve never been asked to sell a car back to the selling dealership nor have I taken a bath on resale when I have sold to a dealership. I’ve considered the transactions reasonable & the subsequent dealer advertised selling price as proportional, not excessive - surprisingly so, in my recent experience.
Peace & love to you all
Buying & selling of any commodity, such as a car, is subject to a number of push pulls in a multifaceted algorithm. We can rave as much as we like but it’ll be to no avail; we are at the mercy of the Market: powerless, indeed, just as the dealerships & Porsche are: the Market rules.
If you’re ranting about your inability to get a bit of the action or, conversely, you’re smugly sitting at home on a notional GT3 profit, take heart, or beware the fickle nature of the Market as the dynamic changes very quickly. I’m old enough to vividly remember the bubble of circa 1990. I benefited then; in being able to get a Ferrari for half the price I would have paid six months earlier. Now, in a complete volte face, my 3Touring is reaching value levels that are, frankly faintly ridiculous, but which could disappear, like mist in the hand, over a very short period of time... then, let’s see what transpires.
The Market rules. Jeez, Governments are in thrall to the Market - even the Market is ruled by the Market, so what chance have dealerships, Porsche, or little ole me or thee got of combatting its influences? Dictators & Countries fall, but the Market lives forever!!
On a related subject matter, for what it’s worth, my personal experience (which is all I can offer to the debate) of buying GT cars from a Porsche franchise is as follows. I’ve never been asked to sell a car back to the selling dealership nor have I taken a bath on resale when I have sold to a dealership. I’ve considered the transactions reasonable & the subsequent dealer advertised selling price as proportional, not excessive - surprisingly so, in my recent experience.
Peace & love to you all
Robograd said:
What causes the phenomenon of ‘Flipping’? I would define it’s cause & effect in two words - The Market.
Buying & selling of any commodity, such as a car, is subject to a number of push pulls in a multifaceted algorithm. We can rave as much as we like but it’ll be to no avail; we are at the mercy of the Market: powerless, indeed, just as the dealerships & Porsche are: the Market rules.
If you’re ranting about your inability to get a bit of the action or, conversely, you’re smugly sitting at home on a notional GT3 profit, take heart, or beware the fickle nature of the Market as the dynamic changes very quickly. I’m old enough to vividly remember the bubble of circa 1990. I benefited then; in being able to get a Ferrari for half the price I would have paid six months earlier. Now, in a complete volte face, my 3Touring is reaching value levels that are, frankly faintly ridiculous, but which could disappear, like mist in the hand, over a very short period of time... then, let’s see what transpires.
The Market rules. Jeez, Governments are in thrall to the Market - even the Market is ruled by the Market, so what chance have dealerships, Porsche, or little ole me or thee got of combatting its influences? Dictators & Countries fall, but the Market lives forever!!
On a related subject matter, for what it’s worth, my personal experience (which is all I can offer to the debate) of buying GT cars from a Porsche franchise is as follows. I’ve never been asked to sell a car back to the selling dealership nor have I taken a bath on resale when I have sold to a dealership. I’ve considered the transactions reasonable & the subsequent dealer advertised selling price as proportional, not excessive - surprisingly so, in my recent experience.
Peace & love to you all
Higher level thoughts, can i please have some of the contents of that pipe!Buying & selling of any commodity, such as a car, is subject to a number of push pulls in a multifaceted algorithm. We can rave as much as we like but it’ll be to no avail; we are at the mercy of the Market: powerless, indeed, just as the dealerships & Porsche are: the Market rules.
If you’re ranting about your inability to get a bit of the action or, conversely, you’re smugly sitting at home on a notional GT3 profit, take heart, or beware the fickle nature of the Market as the dynamic changes very quickly. I’m old enough to vividly remember the bubble of circa 1990. I benefited then; in being able to get a Ferrari for half the price I would have paid six months earlier. Now, in a complete volte face, my 3Touring is reaching value levels that are, frankly faintly ridiculous, but which could disappear, like mist in the hand, over a very short period of time... then, let’s see what transpires.
The Market rules. Jeez, Governments are in thrall to the Market - even the Market is ruled by the Market, so what chance have dealerships, Porsche, or little ole me or thee got of combatting its influences? Dictators & Countries fall, but the Market lives forever!!
On a related subject matter, for what it’s worth, my personal experience (which is all I can offer to the debate) of buying GT cars from a Porsche franchise is as follows. I’ve never been asked to sell a car back to the selling dealership nor have I taken a bath on resale when I have sold to a dealership. I’ve considered the transactions reasonable & the subsequent dealer advertised selling price as proportional, not excessive - surprisingly so, in my recent experience.
Peace & love to you all
If Porsche could just stop making such good cars if they were not head and shoulders above everyone else thia situation would not be occuring its a monopoly on quality.
Scratch that thought everyone else start making better ones! To be fair the AMG GT is closer than anyone was 5 yeara ago.
Scratch that thought everyone else start making better ones! To be fair the AMG GT is closer than anyone was 5 yeara ago.
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