911 (997) Turbo upgraded and tuned by DMS - excellent result

[Isysman]

Adam B said:

My views on this on not particularly logical, I bought my 997 turbo recently and discounted any modded cars although I would have been fine or positive on a good exhaust upgrade.

It often amazes me how people buy nice things and don't look after them, maybe it shouldn't as many people have a lot more money for cars than I do so these assets are less significant. I enjoy looking after my cars and over-maintain them (I do very low miles), use the performance but don't over-stress them, warm them up and down properly etc

The 997 turbo is so bloody quick out the box, that only speed freaks will feel the need to remap.

However I would consider a remap, and know that if done well they can enhance the car with little downside.

So I would buy a remapped car but only from myself !

Haha I know what you mean. I'm very much the same, I did 3k miles last year and I spend a lot of maintaining my cars also. With the remap you can have it removed so if you came to sell it and didn't want to sell a modified car it could be removed. I think Porsche can see it has been remapped though so if you sold to a dealer they'd know.

The sound of my car now with the exhaust is fantastic, well worth the upgrade. I know drive with my window down and stereo off just to listen to it.

[s3nick]

Adam B said:

just take the comments as feedback, some posters could be a bit more sensitive when commenting on the quality of an expensive product someone has just had fitted to their P&J

You are right and sometimes I let my passion dictate how I comment on certain subjects.

I want to apologise to the OP for coming across very harsh as it is his pride and joy and it is a very nice example of a 997tt.

I should be a bit less blunt but sometimes I cant help myself and the childish passionate side just comes out of me whether I am right or wrong.

Like Imi pointed out I am not a bad guy and just want to let the OP know this too.

I did get frustrated when I read your car was 621hp from stock turbo's but again I should have just turned a blind eye.

It is true what others say and what matters is that you are happy with the overall results and you enjoy the car in the best of health.

[Callughan]

s3nick said:

Adam B said:

just take the comments as feedback, some posters could be a bit more sensitive when commenting on the quality of an expensive product someone has just had fitted to their P&J

You are right and sometimes I let my passion dictate how I comment on certain subjects.

I want to apologise to the OP for coming across very harsh as it is his pride and joy and it is a very nice example of a 997tt.

I should be a bit less blunt but sometimes I cant help myself and the childish passionate side just comes out of me whether I am right or wrong.

Like Imi pointed out I am not a bad guy and just want to let the OP know this too.

I did get frustrated when I read your car was 621hp from stock turbo's but again I should have just turned a blind eye.

It is true what others say and what matters is that you are happy with the overall results and you enjoy the car in the best of health.

Irrespective of interpretation. Your info was useful, thanks Nick.

[Adam B]

Please don't stop contributing to these posts Nick, you obviously have a lot of knowledge on tuning and your input is valuable. Maybe just work on your delivery a smidge

All the tuned cars I saw advertised where DMS and all claimed 620bhp from exhaust and remap

[Callughan]

http://www.parr-uk.co.uk/media/pdf/performance-rev...

Nice read

[s3nick]

Adam B said:

Please don't stop contributing to these posts Nick, you obviously have a lot of knowledge on tuning and your input is valuable. Maybe just work on your delivery a smidge

All the tuned cars I saw advertised where DMS and all claimed 620bhp from exhaust and remap

Thanks Adam. I will carry on with my share of contributing and make sure I use my head and not my heart

[s3nick]

Callughan said:

http://www.parr-uk.co.uk/media/pdf/performance-rev...

Nice read

Now that is a great read. I remember buying that magazine. The DMS car has 605hp with hybrids.

[Callughan]

s3nick said:

Callughan said:

http://www.parr-uk.co.uk/media/pdf/performance-rev...

Nice read

Now that is a great read. I remember buying that magazine. The DMS car has 605hp with hybrids.

The prices to get to that power are more than most expect.

[Adam B]

The law of diminshing returns kicks in pretty quickly doesn't it

Unless you are into track days and VMAX events I see little point in going further than exhaust and remap.

What are people's views on Revo? They strated out in UK on VAG/Audi especially the S3/TT so always thought they were a little jack of all trades....

[hondansx]

On that basis, DMS Automotive is worse, as they map just about any car under the sun!

I'm curious to know if DMS create an individual, customised map for the not insignificant £1,500?

[russg2009]

Hello all been reading this thread and find this quite interesting.

I have a 997TT with a full DMS package, that includes Intercoolers, Hybrids, Zorst and map, 600bhp +

I have been in few stock turbo’ s and this is nothing like it. It’s claimed to have 680bhp but I am not sure I am not a technician or mechanic just a very happy petrol head!

All I know is I am extremely happy with it, it’s ridiculously quick and can be tamed all the same and sounds amazing! It’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing!

DMS are always very professional and happy to help and look after me.

Be gentle.....

[s3nick]

russg2009 said:

Hello all been reading this thread and find this quite interesting.

I have a 997TT with a full DMS package, that includes Intercoolers, Hybrids, Zorst and map, 600bhp +

I have been in few stock turbo’ s and this is nothing like it. It’s claimed to have 680bhp but I am not sure I am not a technician or mechanic just a very happy petrol head!

All I know is I am extremely happy with it, it’s ridiculously quick and can be tamed all the same and sounds amazing! It’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing!

DMS are always very professional and happy to help and look after me.

Be gentle.....

Thanks for commenting and glad you enjoy your car.

So you basically have the same kit thats in the magazine article yet you have 75hp more. Dont you find this a little suspicious?

Also you are never going to get 680hp out of hybrid VTG's the same way you are never going to get 620hp out of stock VTG's.

But saying all this the actual increase of 60hp from stage 2 to stage 3 is about right so this tells me DMS are just using the wrong correction factors on their dyno to overinflate their power figures which is not on IMO but this is old news as they did this with the 996tt platform and also just about every single car they tune.

[Adam B]

I am swelling with pride Nick - beautifully put

[hondansx]

I always found their figures suspicious too, which always put me off them. It just didn't add up, so I've never considered them since. I personally think they have benefited a lot from getting column inches in EVO magazine.

Ultimately though, if people are happy with the service and the performance/reliability of their car, there's nothing to complain about.

[russg2009]

No problem and thanks for the info it’s appreciated.

600+ BHP is fast enough for me though and I think most people.

I wish I knew more about these things but I don’t and don’t pretend to will leave this to the professionals.

Will get it booked in for V Max and see the results.

[Isysman]

The article you are referring to is 6 years old. I spoke to DMS about that article and they said it was old and around the time the hybrid turbos had just been developed. Things have moved on since then and they can get more power from these cars now.

Like I said before, if the guys you are going to are telling you they can't get that kind of power then you need to go to The guys who can.

My car is completely changed from how it was. Now that time has passed and I've driven it and had the chance to really test it, I can say its way faster than it was.

I've experienced power gains as I moved from a 2.5 986 to a 3.2 987 to a 3.8 997 and non of those come close to the gains I got from this upgrade. I'm confident the power gains are as accurate as the dyno will give me. There's no conspiracy as there always seems to be about anything these days because of the Internet.

By the way, none of the ahem 'experts' ever contacted me for an interview.

[Adam B]

anyone dyno'd a DMS car on an independent RR ?

[Isysman]

s3nick said:

Thanks for commenting and glad you enjoy your car.

So you basically have the same kit thats in the magazine article yet you have 75hp more. Dont you find this a little suspicious?

Also you are never going to get 680hp out of hybrid VTG's the same way you are never going to get 620hp out of stock VTG's.

But saying all this the actual increase of 60hp from stage 2 to stage 3 is about right so this tells me DMS are just using the wrong correction factors on their dyno to overinflate their power figures which is not on IMO but this is old news as they did this with the 996tt platform and also just about every single car they tune.

As usual you have nothing to base this on. You're not an expert, you're just talking.

[benny 61]

Adam B said:

anyone dyno'd a DMS car on an independent RR ?

I don't think you'll ever see one on a independent RR.

[Isysman]

benny 61 said:

I don't think you'll ever see one on a independent RR.

Why because of the conspiracy? The same people who plotted September 11th are behind the DMS conspiracy!

I will put mine on an independent RR. I'm just waiting to get it organised. I'll publish the results regardless. Most likely make another video. And if the results are similar people will rubbish them, guaranteed. Some people will only believe what they already know to be true, and nothing will change their mind. They don't want to believe it. (And some who post here have connections with other companies in direct competition and they don't want people to go to DMS).

Just been to Oulton Park today, car is fantastic now, the power is unbelievable. Regardless of the results of any further RR, I'm totally impressed by DMS and would not hesitate in recommending them to anyone.