991.1 GT3-RS: GOOD TIME TO BUY...??
Discussion
Swimfinz said:
AndrewD said:
A plea not to turn an innocent car thread into crystal ball gazing either side of the Brexit camp!
Agree— can we please stick to car related discussions on this thread.....?? The input so far has been really informative, and is having a big influence on my potential next GT purchase.... Having not previously even considered the 997.2 3RS, I can now see it makes the most sense for me: it combines all the best features of my 987 Spyder (hydraulic steering, manual shifter, general feedback...) with a proper GT motor (something even my beloved GT4 lacks...!!). As an added bonus— I may well lose less come resale..... Hopefully a “win-win”....!
Just goes to show, I guess: the “latest” is not always the “greatest”....!!
I’m on the hunt— cheers all for your well informed feedback....!! I always know I can rely on the Porsche Pistonhead posse to come up trumps...!! This forum has helped me no end in both my 987 Spyder purchase, and my subsequent GT4 purchase.... So: thanks all....!!
Out of interest— why do the LHD cars sell for soooo much less than the RHD models....?? Surely the global market for LHD is greater...?? Have never quite got my head around that one...!! A LHD 991.1 GT3-RS, for example, can be had for £20k less than a similarly specced RHD model...!! Seems insane....
v8ksn said:
hornbaek said:
I think we need a photo to get this thread back on track:
A big part of owning a car is going through the deliberations before you take the final decision - so enjoy the moment.
Absolutely gorgeous pair! A big part of owning a car is going through the deliberations before you take the final decision - so enjoy the moment.
Edited by hornbaek on Wednesday 14th March 09:47
This might sound a little trite and lacking in originality but how do you decide which one you want to drive?
Regarding LHD/RHD the price differential is due to supply. The LHD car has two distinct advantages over the RHD. A bigger 90L tank and if you are tall (im 6:3) then you fit better in the LHD car due to the fact that your left leg can rest on the wheel arch and not interfere with your steering.
Cheib said:
Or for something a bit different I was in JZM last week.They had a white/red 997.2 RS just in with just over 20 k miles....been used as it should but looked in VGC. They were going to advertise it for £152k. Completely standard car apart from Sport Chrono. Maybe given that and the mileage/use it was a tad pricey but it’s £30k cheaper than the high spec/very low mileage cars that collectors buy.
Yep— still there and undergoing prep prior to sale.... Going to be advertised at £156k.... As the chap at JZM honestly said, it’s not going to be a “collectors car”, due to the miles, base spec and plenty of track usage.....!! He essentially said that the 997 3RS is now clearly falling into 2 distinct brackets: the “investment” cars and the “pure enthusiast” cars— with the former likely to hold value, or maybe even rise, and the latter likely to continue to fall over time.... But, for me, that could well be ideal: I plan to use it like the GT4 (ie. A LOT...!!), so buying it purely as an investment is never going to work...!! Only issue is, I can pick up a low mileage, higher specced— “collector style”— car for “only” £20k more..... If these cars really are worth so much more than the heavily used examples, such as that at JZM, then I would have thought £156k is probably asking a little on the high side...?? As I rarely see well used examples of these on the market (most are pristine, almost untouched examples), I have no “yardstick” against which to compare the JZM car, and thus have no idea whether I should be bargaining for a decent reduction or not....!! It’s a tough one....!! Any thoughts from current owners/enthusiasts would be super-welcome...!!Swimfinz said:
Cheib said:
Or for something a bit different I was in JZM last week.They had a white/red 997.2 RS just in with just over 20 k miles....been used as it should but looked in VGC. They were going to advertise it for £152k. Completely standard car apart from Sport Chrono. Maybe given that and the mileage/use it was a tad pricey but it’s £30k cheaper than the high spec/very low mileage cars that collectors buy.
Yep— still there and undergoing prep prior to sale.... Going to be advertised at £156k.... As the chap at JZM honestly said, it’s not going to be a “collectors car”, due to the miles, base spec and plenty of track usage.....!! He essentially said that the 997 3RS is now clearly falling into 2 distinct brackets: the “investment” cars and the “pure enthusiast” cars— with the former likely to hold value, or maybe even rise, and the latter likely to continue to fall over time.... But, for me, that could well be ideal: I plan to use it like the GT4 (ie. A LOT...!!), so buying it purely as an investment is never going to work...!! Only issue is, I can pick up a low mileage, higher specced— “collector style”— car for “only” £20k more..... If these cars really are worth so much more than the heavily used examples, such as that at JZM, then I would have thought £156k is probably asking a little on the high side...?? As I rarely see well used examples of these on the market (most are pristine, almost untouched examples), I have no “yardstick” against which to compare the JZM car, and thus have no idea whether I should be bargaining for a decent reduction or not....!! It’s a tough one....!! Any thoughts from current owners/enthusiasts would be super-welcome...!!I kind of agree that the JZM car is maybe expensive because of it's spec....it would not attract the collector so maybe it's only a £165k car with low mileage.
Not much point paying a premium for a collector car if you are buying it to drive. There will always be some super low miles ones that attract big money but IMV 10kmiles or 20k miles is neither here nor there and there are so few of these cars available that you will rarely even get to choose between two of the same spec and different mileage in any case. 20k miles on a 6-7 year old car is hardly "high mileage". All IMHO of course!
Even with the basic spec and the mileage, I'd day that JZM car will be good value at 150 something and they wont come up very often at this price, considering the car you are getting. Get your helmet on, get your foot in and you'll have the same stupid grin on your face as you would for spending £25k more. Apart from the ultra low collector miles cars, I don't see mileage as that big a deal as these cars age, as long is it's not double the high end of typical mileage or something like that.
Even with the basic spec and the mileage, I'd day that JZM car will be good value at 150 something and they wont come up very often at this price, considering the car you are getting. Get your helmet on, get your foot in and you'll have the same stupid grin on your face as you would for spending £25k more. Apart from the ultra low collector miles cars, I don't see mileage as that big a deal as these cars age, as long is it's not double the high end of typical mileage or something like that.
Swimfinz said:
Cheib said:
Or for something a bit different I was in JZM last week.They had a white/red 997.2 RS just in with just over 20 k miles....been used as it should but looked in VGC. They were going to advertise it for £152k. Completely standard car apart from Sport Chrono. Maybe given that and the mileage/use it was a tad pricey but it’s £30k cheaper than the high spec/very low mileage cars that collectors buy.
Yep— still there and undergoing prep prior to sale.... Going to be advertised at £156k.... As the chap at JZM honestly said, it’s not going to be a “collectors car”, due to the miles, base spec and plenty of track usage.....!! He essentially said that the 997 3RS is now clearly falling into 2 distinct brackets: the “investment” cars and the “pure enthusiast” cars— with the former likely to hold value, or maybe even rise, and the latter likely to continue to fall over time.... But, for me, that could well be ideal: I plan to use it like the GT4 (ie. A LOT...!!), so buying it purely as an investment is never going to work...!! Only issue is, I can pick up a low mileage, higher specced— “collector style”— car for “only” £20k more..... If these cars really are worth so much more than the heavily used examples, such as that at JZM, then I would have thought £156k is probably asking a little on the high side...?? As I rarely see well used examples of these on the market (most are pristine, almost untouched examples), I have no “yardstick” against which to compare the JZM car, and thus have no idea whether I should be bargaining for a decent reduction or not....!! It’s a tough one....!! Any thoughts from current owners/enthusiasts would be super-welcome...!!It is incredible how the 996/997 GT3 RS prices have moved over the years - in the bad old days you could pick them up for high £70's - looks like circa £100k has been added to this over the years. Don't wish to be a gloomster, but I suspect at some point in the next 5 years there will be an economic correction - no idea what will be the decisive factor imposing such a correction, but long term these cycles tend to happen - which will eat into that £100k buffer.
That's the negative slightly longer term view I hold. However, in the here and now, if you feel compelled to make a move, JZM appear to be remarkably well placed to price their stock at just about the level the market will accept. General 911 models seem to stick around longer with them than the GT3/ RS models. The latest RS offering £££ is a bit staggering though!!!!!
Peter
That's the negative slightly longer term view I hold. However, in the here and now, if you feel compelled to make a move, JZM appear to be remarkably well placed to price their stock at just about the level the market will accept. General 911 models seem to stick around longer with them than the GT3/ RS models. The latest RS offering £££ is a bit staggering though!!!!!
Peter
northpolar said:
It is incredible how the 996/997 GT3 RS prices have moved over the years - in the bad old days you could pick them up for high £70's - looks like circa £100k has been added to this over the years. Don't wish to be a gloomster, but I suspect at some point in the next 5 years there will be an economic correction - no idea what will be the decisive factor imposing such a correction, but long term these cycles tend to happen - which will eat into that £100k buffer.
That's the negative slightly longer term view I hold. However, in the here and now, if you feel compelled to make a move, JZM appear to be remarkably well placed to price their stock at just about the level the market will accept. General 911 models seem to stick around longer with them than the GT3/ RS models. The latest RS offering £££ is a bit staggering though!!!!!
Peter
If people subscribe to the market correction theory without a doubt the 996 or 997 are probably better places to be as there are just so many more 991 RS’s around. There are more 991.1 RS’s than 996 and 997 combined I think..certainly once they 991,2 run is finished there definitely will be. That's the negative slightly longer term view I hold. However, in the here and now, if you feel compelled to make a move, JZM appear to be remarkably well placed to price their stock at just about the level the market will accept. General 911 models seem to stick around longer with them than the GT3/ RS models. The latest RS offering £££ is a bit staggering though!!!!!
Peter
JZM cars tend to be sensibly priced because a lot of there cars are SoR.
AndrewD said:
A plea not to turn an innocent car thread into crystal ball gazing either side of the Brexit camp!
Social media was full of this claptrap with nobody ever changing their minds, on the whole, and nobody with a clue what really is going to happen.
Another vote here for 997.2 RS or manual 991.2 GT3 over a 991.1 RS.
What is it with all this, you must buy manual nowadays, I don’t get it !Social media was full of this claptrap with nobody ever changing their minds, on the whole, and nobody with a clue what really is going to happen.
Another vote here for 997.2 RS or manual 991.2 GT3 over a 991.1 RS.
I watched for years as people tried to find a way to turn their manual track cars into full on sequential gearbox cars whilst still wanting to use them on the road. The problem was they never worked on the road, Gear shifts were only smooth when going flat out. We then got the developments from Geartronics with clutchless up and down shifts closely followed by pneumatic offerings which worked better than than the electronic versions!
Back in the day when I was buying my F430 tbe word on the street was you MUST get the F1 and it was true as you couldn’t sell a F430 manual for toffee. The F1 was just better than the bulky manual offering. Everything was improving and road car offerings even with single clutches were starting to move closely towards formula cars.
We then get the double clutch cars which shift in milliseconds, apparently everything in a package that I saw so many people trying to mimick or copy to take their manual offerings to semi/fully sequential offerings!
Yet here we are now saying a manual GT3 .2 is a better car than a .1 GT3RS with PDK.
In fact .2GT3’s are the same money .1 GT3RS now and forgetting the engine I know which I’d have.Both cars were built and developed to be PDK cars from the start. They are better suited to the PDK box,end of!!! After all what is a gear change, in a manual it is a 1/2 inch movement with one ankle and one wrist while effectively loosing drive and unbalancing the car whilst either accelerating or decelerating. In a PDK it’s a 1/2 inch flick of a finger which in effect does exactly the same thing as the full manual alternative but without upsetting the balance of the car due to the quicker shift and associated shorter dead period of drive loss and associated weight transfer!
We spend ages talking about the improvements in suspension handling diffs etc to create a more agile and better balanced car to now say let’s stick a manual anvil in between that technology to F up the whole scenario!
I’ve got 3 manual tuned Subaru’s and 2 EVO’s, yes great fun, all 18-20 years old and old school but they are what they are, you wouldn’t change them. However when I get in the GT3 PDK .1 I never think this is boring “ oh I wish it was manual” no way its poppy cock! It’s dam near a racing car on the road!!! We’ve finally got what we asked for and now somehow we think going backwards is now going forward!
My personal opinion is all this talk of manual is more about values and trying to emulate a 911R than the true belief that a manual is more entertaining. If one of my Subaru’s was PDK I’m sure it would be even more entertaining to a degree.
We’re all different but I just don’t get it !
Edited by Juno on Saturday 17th March 17:04
There is a difference between going fast on track and enjoying road driving. No one would argue that a manual is faster or better in technical terms but it can be more engaging and enjoyable to drive. Very much he case if you have been brought up on manuals.
As you say, different people have different preferences. It would be boring if we all liked the same thing. Why buy a 70s 911 when you can buy a modern one for similar money? The newer car is obviously better / faster etc.
As you say, different people have different preferences. It would be boring if we all liked the same thing. Why buy a 70s 911 when you can buy a modern one for similar money? The newer car is obviously better / faster etc.
Juno said:
What is it with all this, you must buy manual nowadays, I don’t get it !
Yet here we are now saying a manual GT3 .2 is a better car than a .1 GT3RS with PDK.
In fact .2GT3’s are the same money .1 GT3RS now and forgetting the engine I know which I’d have.Both cars were built and developed to be PDK cars from the start. They are better suited to the PDK box,end of!!! After all what is a gear change, in a manual it is a 1/2 inch movement with one ankle and one wrist while effectively loosing drive and unbalancing the car whilst either accelerating or decelerating. In a PDK it’s a 1/2 inch flick of a finger which in effect does exactly the same thing as the full manual alternative but without upsetting the balance of the car due to the quicker shift and associated shorter dead period of drive loss and associated weight transfer!
We spend ages talking about the improvements in suspension handling diffs etc to create a more agile and better balanced car to now say let’s stick a manual anvil in between that technology to F up the whole scenario!
My personal opinion is all this talk of manual is more about values and trying to emulate a 911R than the true belief that a manual is more entertaining.
It’s an interesting discussion, isn’t it....?? Yet here we are now saying a manual GT3 .2 is a better car than a .1 GT3RS with PDK.
In fact .2GT3’s are the same money .1 GT3RS now and forgetting the engine I know which I’d have.Both cars were built and developed to be PDK cars from the start. They are better suited to the PDK box,end of!!! After all what is a gear change, in a manual it is a 1/2 inch movement with one ankle and one wrist while effectively loosing drive and unbalancing the car whilst either accelerating or decelerating. In a PDK it’s a 1/2 inch flick of a finger which in effect does exactly the same thing as the full manual alternative but without upsetting the balance of the car due to the quicker shift and associated shorter dead period of drive loss and associated weight transfer!
We spend ages talking about the improvements in suspension handling diffs etc to create a more agile and better balanced car to now say let’s stick a manual anvil in between that technology to F up the whole scenario!
My personal opinion is all this talk of manual is more about values and trying to emulate a 911R than the true belief that a manual is more entertaining.
Edited by Juno on Saturday 17th March 17:04
I have ALWAYS been a manual guy, through and through.... I wouldn’t even consider anything else.... My first Porsche was a 986 Boxster- I tried the Tiptronic box, absolutely loathed it...!! Then drove the manual, and I was in love....!! So tactile, so precise.... Then I moved onto a 987 Spyder: again, hated the PDK but the manual was the sweetest shift I’d ever experienced..... Then onto the GT4 (my current car)– another amazing manual box: short/precise gear shifts and sooo rewarding....!! Could gear shifting get any better....?!?
But..... Fast forward to 2018.... My wife has pursuaded me to get hold of a 991.2 GTS (for practical, family reasons), and my view has changed somewhat.... My OPC didn’t have a manual GTS as a demo, so persuaded me to “give the PDK a go”..... So, with a heavy heart and a very closed mind, I did..... And it wasn’t atall bad....!! Of course, I had to switch it to “manual” mode, and I still changed gears with the shifter, not the paddles.... But, it was slick, I retained control of the shifts, I could push it to the limiter if i desired. And it felt kinda “right”..... I shocked myself, but was still adamant that a manual box would be far more engaging....
Roll on last week, and a day at the Silverstone PEC— a manual GTS awaited...... This was going to be fun....!! My GT4 shifter in a GTS..... YES...!!
But actually.... No.... It felt “sloppy”, loose, imprecise, slow.... Not atall like the PDK equivalent.... As Juno says: it felt like the box just wasn’t “meant” to be a manual..... As if Porsche have put so much tech into the most recent PDKs, that the manual has been left behind somewhat.... As a diehard manual fan-boy, i was pretty shocked.... But, if given the choice, I think the PDK— at least in the GTS— would be the one I’d choose to have.....
Of course, having never driven the Gen2 GT3, in either manual or PDK form, the experience could well be completely different.... Others can comment on this better than me. But, i do wonder whether Porsche has now provided so much flexibility in their PDK transmissions, that the manuals are becoming a bit “detached” from the rest of the cars....??
One thing I DID really miss in the PDK car though was the ability to “heel and toe”..... It’s taken me years to master the art of this technique, and it was more than frustrating to have the PDK transmission continually rev-match for me on every down-shift.... Arghhh....!!
Juno said:
What is it with all this, you must buy manual nowadays, I don’t get it !
I watched for years as people tried to find a way to turn their manual track cars into full on sequential gearbox cars whilst still wanting to use them on the road. The problem was they never worked on the road, Gear shifts were only smooth when going flat out. We then got the developments from Geartronics with clutchless up and down shifts closely followed by pneumatic offerings which worked better than than the electronic versions!
Back in the day when I was buying my F430 tbe word on the street was you MUST get the F1 and it was true as you couldn’t sell a F430 manual for toffee. The F1 was just better than the bulky manual offering. Everything was improving and road car offerings even with single clutches were starting to move closely towards formula cars.
We then get the double clutch cars which shift in milliseconds, apparently everything in a package that I saw so many people trying to mimick or copy to take their manual offerings to semi/fully sequential offerings!
Yet here we are now saying a manual GT3 .2 is a better car than a .1 GT3RS with PDK.
In fact .2GT3’s are the same money .1 GT3RS now and forgetting the engine I know which I’d have.Both cars were built and developed to be PDK cars from the start. They are better suited to the PDK box,end of!!! After all what is a gear change, in a manual it is a 1/2 inch movement with one ankle and one wrist while effectively loosing drive and unbalancing the car whilst either accelerating or decelerating. In a PDK it’s a 1/2 inch flick of a finger which in effect does exactly the same thing as the full manual alternative but without upsetting the balance of the car due to the quicker shift and associated shorter dead period of drive loss and associated weight transfer!
We spend ages talking about the improvements in suspension handling diffs etc to create a more agile and better balanced car to now say let’s stick a manual anvil in between that technology to F up the whole scenario!
I’ve got 3 manual tuned Subaru’s and 2 EVO’s, yes great fun, all 18-20 years old and old school but they are what they are, you wouldn’t change them. However when I get in the GT3 PDK .1 I never think this is boring “ oh I wish it was manual” no way its poppy cock! It’s dam near a racing car on the road!!! We’ve finally got what we asked for and now somehow we think going backwards is now going forward!
My personal opinion is all this talk of manual is more about values and trying to emulate a 911R than the true belief that a manual is more entertaining. If one of my Subaru’s was PDK I’m sure it would be even more entertaining to a degree.
We’re all different but I just don’t get it !
Most sensible thing I’ve read on here, the new breed of GT cars are designed to click with PDK, I just don’t get the manual thing, other than a flash back to when we were younger. I watched for years as people tried to find a way to turn their manual track cars into full on sequential gearbox cars whilst still wanting to use them on the road. The problem was they never worked on the road, Gear shifts were only smooth when going flat out. We then got the developments from Geartronics with clutchless up and down shifts closely followed by pneumatic offerings which worked better than than the electronic versions!
Back in the day when I was buying my F430 tbe word on the street was you MUST get the F1 and it was true as you couldn’t sell a F430 manual for toffee. The F1 was just better than the bulky manual offering. Everything was improving and road car offerings even with single clutches were starting to move closely towards formula cars.
We then get the double clutch cars which shift in milliseconds, apparently everything in a package that I saw so many people trying to mimick or copy to take their manual offerings to semi/fully sequential offerings!
Yet here we are now saying a manual GT3 .2 is a better car than a .1 GT3RS with PDK.
In fact .2GT3’s are the same money .1 GT3RS now and forgetting the engine I know which I’d have.Both cars were built and developed to be PDK cars from the start. They are better suited to the PDK box,end of!!! After all what is a gear change, in a manual it is a 1/2 inch movement with one ankle and one wrist while effectively loosing drive and unbalancing the car whilst either accelerating or decelerating. In a PDK it’s a 1/2 inch flick of a finger which in effect does exactly the same thing as the full manual alternative but without upsetting the balance of the car due to the quicker shift and associated shorter dead period of drive loss and associated weight transfer!
We spend ages talking about the improvements in suspension handling diffs etc to create a more agile and better balanced car to now say let’s stick a manual anvil in between that technology to F up the whole scenario!
I’ve got 3 manual tuned Subaru’s and 2 EVO’s, yes great fun, all 18-20 years old and old school but they are what they are, you wouldn’t change them. However when I get in the GT3 PDK .1 I never think this is boring “ oh I wish it was manual” no way its poppy cock! It’s dam near a racing car on the road!!! We’ve finally got what we asked for and now somehow we think going backwards is now going forward!
My personal opinion is all this talk of manual is more about values and trying to emulate a 911R than the true belief that a manual is more entertaining. If one of my Subaru’s was PDK I’m sure it would be even more entertaining to a degree.
We’re all different but I just don’t get it !
Edited by Juno on Saturday 17th March 17:04
Runningretailer said:
Juno said:
What is it with all this, you must buy manual nowadays, I don’t get it !
I watched for years as people tried to find a way to turn their manual track cars into full on sequential gearbox cars whilst still wanting to use them on the road. The problem was they never worked on the road, Gear shifts were only smooth when going flat out. We then got the developments from Geartronics with clutchless up and down shifts closely followed by pneumatic offerings which worked better than than the electronic versions!
Back in the day when I was buying my F430 tbe word on the street was you MUST get the F1 and it was true as you couldn’t sell a F430 manual for toffee. The F1 was just better than the bulky manual offering. Everything was improving and road car offerings even with single clutches were starting to move closely towards formula cars.
We then get the double clutch cars which shift in milliseconds, apparently everything in a package that I saw so many people trying to mimick or copy to take their manual offerings to semi/fully sequential offerings!
Yet here we are now saying a manual GT3 .2 is a better car than a .1 GT3RS with PDK.
In fact .2GT3’s are the same money .1 GT3RS now and forgetting the engine I know which I’d have.Both cars were built and developed to be PDK cars from the start. They are better suited to the PDK box,end of!!! After all what is a gear change, in a manual it is a 1/2 inch movement with one ankle and one wrist while effectively loosing drive and unbalancing the car whilst either accelerating or decelerating. In a PDK it’s a 1/2 inch flick of a finger which in effect does exactly the same thing as the full manual alternative but without upsetting the balance of the car due to the quicker shift and associated shorter dead period of drive loss and associated weight transfer!
We spend ages talking about the improvements in suspension handling diffs etc to create a more agile and better balanced car to now say let’s stick a manual anvil in between that technology to F up the whole scenario!
I’ve got 3 manual tuned Subaru’s and 2 EVO’s, yes great fun, all 18-20 years old and old school but they are what they are, you wouldn’t change them. However when I get in the GT3 PDK .1 I never think this is boring “ oh I wish it was manual” no way its poppy cock! It’s dam near a racing car on the road!!! We’ve finally got what we asked for and now somehow we think going backwards is now going forward!
My personal opinion is all this talk of manual is more about values and trying to emulate a 911R than the true belief that a manual is more entertaining. If one of my Subaru’s was PDK I’m sure it would be even more entertaining to a degree.
We’re all different but I just don’t get it !
Most sensible thing I’ve read on here, the new breed of GT cars are designed to click with PDK, I just don’t get the manual thing, other than a flash back to when we were younger. I watched for years as people tried to find a way to turn their manual track cars into full on sequential gearbox cars whilst still wanting to use them on the road. The problem was they never worked on the road, Gear shifts were only smooth when going flat out. We then got the developments from Geartronics with clutchless up and down shifts closely followed by pneumatic offerings which worked better than than the electronic versions!
Back in the day when I was buying my F430 tbe word on the street was you MUST get the F1 and it was true as you couldn’t sell a F430 manual for toffee. The F1 was just better than the bulky manual offering. Everything was improving and road car offerings even with single clutches were starting to move closely towards formula cars.
We then get the double clutch cars which shift in milliseconds, apparently everything in a package that I saw so many people trying to mimick or copy to take their manual offerings to semi/fully sequential offerings!
Yet here we are now saying a manual GT3 .2 is a better car than a .1 GT3RS with PDK.
In fact .2GT3’s are the same money .1 GT3RS now and forgetting the engine I know which I’d have.Both cars were built and developed to be PDK cars from the start. They are better suited to the PDK box,end of!!! After all what is a gear change, in a manual it is a 1/2 inch movement with one ankle and one wrist while effectively loosing drive and unbalancing the car whilst either accelerating or decelerating. In a PDK it’s a 1/2 inch flick of a finger which in effect does exactly the same thing as the full manual alternative but without upsetting the balance of the car due to the quicker shift and associated shorter dead period of drive loss and associated weight transfer!
We spend ages talking about the improvements in suspension handling diffs etc to create a more agile and better balanced car to now say let’s stick a manual anvil in between that technology to F up the whole scenario!
I’ve got 3 manual tuned Subaru’s and 2 EVO’s, yes great fun, all 18-20 years old and old school but they are what they are, you wouldn’t change them. However when I get in the GT3 PDK .1 I never think this is boring “ oh I wish it was manual” no way its poppy cock! It’s dam near a racing car on the road!!! We’ve finally got what we asked for and now somehow we think going backwards is now going forward!
My personal opinion is all this talk of manual is more about values and trying to emulate a 911R than the true belief that a manual is more entertaining. If one of my Subaru’s was PDK I’m sure it would be even more entertaining to a degree.
We’re all different but I just don’t get it !
Edited by Juno on Saturday 17th March 17:04
Also OP, remember the 7 speed ‘manuel’ in the GTS is NOT the same as the 6 speeder in the GT cars....
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