992 - essential options vs depreciation?
Discussion
mw300 said:
Now that the spec is sorted has anyone actually managed to secure a discount on a new 992 built to order?
Hahaha you’re funny! But it does happen on stock / ex demo cars and with brexit import duties unknown if there’s ever to be a discount Sep/Oct this year is your best bet.Bear in mind I’ve heard Carrera S build slots are all gone until the spring now, though.
arcamalpha said:
Hahaha you’re funny! But it does happen on stock / ex demo cars and with brexit import duties unknown if there’s ever to be a discount Sep/Oct this year is your best bet.
Bear in mind I’ve heard Carrera S build slots are all gone until the spring now, though.
The spring, that is very interesting to know. I have and order in early summer and pencilled in Feb build to get April/May as I didnt want to take delivery in the Winter (esp a 991s). Waiting to see what Brexit brings in the meantime.Bear in mind I’ve heard Carrera S build slots are all gone until the spring now, though.
996Targa said:
One option that I particularly like is the speed limit indicator which cost £264 when new but can now only be had with some other options for nearly £2,000.
Yeah I find Speed Limit Display very useful as a reminder on unfamiliar roads full of cameras where the limit is constantly changing up and down - The A13 into London is a particularly good example.And as you say....
Speed Limit Display on my 718 GTS = £236 as a standalone option
Speed Limit Display on my 992 C4S = £1952 (It's packaged with Lane Keep Assist at £749, but selecting this option also forces you to take Adaptive Cruise Control at £1203)
Fortunately I wanted adaptive cruise control on the 992 anyway as it's my DD!
Edited by GTS JOE on Wednesday 21st August 14:13
Gentlemen
one more question - is the £690 PLDS plus option worth it? Any advantages in town? Can the auto dipping be deactivated? Does it actually work so one side stays low beam if there’s an oncoming car while the other side remains high beam?
Seems relatively reasonable vs £2k for matrix led’s.
one more question - is the £690 PLDS plus option worth it? Any advantages in town? Can the auto dipping be deactivated? Does it actually work so one side stays low beam if there’s an oncoming car while the other side remains high beam?
Seems relatively reasonable vs £2k for matrix led’s.
mw300 said:
Gentlemen
one more question - is the £690 PLDS plus option worth it? Any advantages in town? Can the auto dipping be deactivated? Does it actually work so one side stays low beam if there’s an oncoming car while the other side remains high beam?
Seems relatively reasonable vs £2k for matrix led’s.
Not really any advantage in townone more question - is the £690 PLDS plus option worth it? Any advantages in town? Can the auto dipping be deactivated? Does it actually work so one side stays low beam if there’s an oncoming car while the other side remains high beam?
Seems relatively reasonable vs £2k for matrix led’s.
Default is off...you have to turn it on.
No you need the matrix for that.
They’re much better on the SUV’s IMHO as the shape of the headlights means they fit additional light units to flood the kerb at lower speeds and when turning etc.
A big thanks to everyone who contributed so far -- placed my order on Saturday, spec locks down first week of October for delivery first week of December!
Here's the final spec: http://www.porsche-code.com/PLLSKKQ2 which is very much geared towards driving in London with inevitable traffic jams and pollution.
A few (unexpected and highly subjective) observations that influenced my order, having rented a black 2S coupe for a day last week:
1. Unlike many comments here I don't like how the black plastic bits blend in with the rest of a black car. It appears too bulky in black as there's nothing to break up the monotony. On the other hand, with very light colours (white/crayon/silver) the car appears bigger as well and too much attention is drawn to the black bits. I think it works best in a strong colour that can hold its own against black such as gentian blue, guards red, viper green, and yellow. The car looks smaller in these colours as the black plastic fades into the background.
2. The car is surprisingly well dampened over speed bumps and uneven roads. Much better than my current S3 cabriolet on 19" wheels. It feels far more special than any sports salon based on a regular car could ever be as it is a purpose built sports car. This has nothing to do with horsepower, comparisons with RS3's, M4's etc are missing the point. At the same time it's as easy to drive as a Golf. A brilliant balance of being special yet also just a car to get around town.
3. Sports chrono is a waste of money and the reflection of the illuminated dash clock on the windscreen at night is annoying. Sports mode is more than enough and I never felt tempted to switch to sports plus. It's just silly marketing to me.
4. Sports exhaust makes hardly any difference inside of the car, maybe 10% difference hence not worth the money. I presume the intake sound that gets pumped into the cabin is unchanged by the exhaust. Car still sounds aggressive with the exhaust off when revving it out.
5. The regular seats are far less comfortable than sports seats plus as the backrest is quite narrow at the top and the bolsters press against the shoulder blades. If you only get one option - upgrade the seats.
6. The rear wiper looks awful, avoid
7. The wheels at 20/21" look very large, perhaps unnaturally large. I look forward to getting mine with 19/20" wheels instead
8. The standard steering wheel is uncomfortably thin, GT steering wheel much better. Thought it would be a waste of money but the standard steering wheel made my hands sore compared to the chunky one in my Audi.
9. The standard stereo is ok until it plays something with heavy bass in which case the rattling noises are unbearable, one of the worst I ever heard. Went for BOSE.
10. The standard trim strips do feel a bit cheap but not bad enough to bother with £750 for aluminium etc. Besides, they match the texture of all the other switches and the gear selector. No big deal to me. The high gloss black plastic is much worse in my view and I'm surprised it can't be changed. Surely they'll get rid of that on the facelift.
11. A few things bothered me which can't be solved even with the right option choices:
- The dashboard, especially the bit in the middle with the air vents reflects on the windscreen. Must be the sharp angle of the windscreen. Might get a custom alcantara cover.
- The arm rest in the middle is quite low so doesn't really give much support
- The window cill is quite high so not suitable for having the elbow out the window
12. White contrast stitching with a black interior draws way too much attention to itself. Black stitching still provides plenty of contrast without being in your face.
13. Black interior is very dark but a black dash is essential given the reflections on the windscreen. Saw the two tone black/cream recently and it seemed much more luxurious than any of the others, even better than the brown club leather, and comes with a black dash. Second choice would have been sport-tex with black stitching and red seat belts but in the end I would have regretted not having seat ventilation and preferred a lighter interior around the footwells.
14. I managed to get a deal. PM if you want a contact.
Here's the final spec: http://www.porsche-code.com/PLLSKKQ2 which is very much geared towards driving in London with inevitable traffic jams and pollution.
A few (unexpected and highly subjective) observations that influenced my order, having rented a black 2S coupe for a day last week:
1. Unlike many comments here I don't like how the black plastic bits blend in with the rest of a black car. It appears too bulky in black as there's nothing to break up the monotony. On the other hand, with very light colours (white/crayon/silver) the car appears bigger as well and too much attention is drawn to the black bits. I think it works best in a strong colour that can hold its own against black such as gentian blue, guards red, viper green, and yellow. The car looks smaller in these colours as the black plastic fades into the background.
2. The car is surprisingly well dampened over speed bumps and uneven roads. Much better than my current S3 cabriolet on 19" wheels. It feels far more special than any sports salon based on a regular car could ever be as it is a purpose built sports car. This has nothing to do with horsepower, comparisons with RS3's, M4's etc are missing the point. At the same time it's as easy to drive as a Golf. A brilliant balance of being special yet also just a car to get around town.
3. Sports chrono is a waste of money and the reflection of the illuminated dash clock on the windscreen at night is annoying. Sports mode is more than enough and I never felt tempted to switch to sports plus. It's just silly marketing to me.
4. Sports exhaust makes hardly any difference inside of the car, maybe 10% difference hence not worth the money. I presume the intake sound that gets pumped into the cabin is unchanged by the exhaust. Car still sounds aggressive with the exhaust off when revving it out.
5. The regular seats are far less comfortable than sports seats plus as the backrest is quite narrow at the top and the bolsters press against the shoulder blades. If you only get one option - upgrade the seats.
6. The rear wiper looks awful, avoid
7. The wheels at 20/21" look very large, perhaps unnaturally large. I look forward to getting mine with 19/20" wheels instead
8. The standard steering wheel is uncomfortably thin, GT steering wheel much better. Thought it would be a waste of money but the standard steering wheel made my hands sore compared to the chunky one in my Audi.
9. The standard stereo is ok until it plays something with heavy bass in which case the rattling noises are unbearable, one of the worst I ever heard. Went for BOSE.
10. The standard trim strips do feel a bit cheap but not bad enough to bother with £750 for aluminium etc. Besides, they match the texture of all the other switches and the gear selector. No big deal to me. The high gloss black plastic is much worse in my view and I'm surprised it can't be changed. Surely they'll get rid of that on the facelift.
11. A few things bothered me which can't be solved even with the right option choices:
- The dashboard, especially the bit in the middle with the air vents reflects on the windscreen. Must be the sharp angle of the windscreen. Might get a custom alcantara cover.
- The arm rest in the middle is quite low so doesn't really give much support
- The window cill is quite high so not suitable for having the elbow out the window
12. White contrast stitching with a black interior draws way too much attention to itself. Black stitching still provides plenty of contrast without being in your face.
13. Black interior is very dark but a black dash is essential given the reflections on the windscreen. Saw the two tone black/cream recently and it seemed much more luxurious than any of the others, even better than the brown club leather, and comes with a black dash. Second choice would have been sport-tex with black stitching and red seat belts but in the end I would have regretted not having seat ventilation and preferred a lighter interior around the footwells.
14. I managed to get a deal. PM if you want a contact.
mw300 said:
Everyone seems to forget that tyres, discs, pads, etc on a 2 year old car won’t be new so will need replacing within the next 3 years, the interior won’t be as fresh etc. As cars get a few years older annoying faults can develop like window seals that don’t shut, glove box rattles, etc. many of these cost a fortune to sort but aren’t even covered under warranty.
I can see the logic in buying up to 3 years old and holding until about 7 years if you don’t care about spec but beyond that it’s a different proposition. Remember we’re talking about a daily driver here, not a weekend toy. I wouldn’t buy a used washing machine or dishwasher either even if they have 10 years useful life left in them. The labour cost for fitting new and used is the same but you’ll have to replace or repair the used one sooner hence incur the same labour cost and hassle more frequently.
This is all quite entertaining. It's like I've stumbled through a portal to the 1970s, when two or three year old cars could give problems - my dad worked for BL so I became familiar with such things from an early age. Surely modern 911s are immune to squeaks and rattles? I do more miles a year in my 20 year old 996 weekend car than you're planning and it still runs like clockwork. No rattling glovebox here - when I bought it I spent ages trying to work out how to open the glovebox but I'm glad I didn't succeed, as I what I thought must be the glovebox turned out to be the passenger airbag...I can see the logic in buying up to 3 years old and holding until about 7 years if you don’t care about spec but beyond that it’s a different proposition. Remember we’re talking about a daily driver here, not a weekend toy. I wouldn’t buy a used washing machine or dishwasher either even if they have 10 years useful life left in them. The labour cost for fitting new and used is the same but you’ll have to replace or repair the used one sooner hence incur the same labour cost and hassle more frequently.
I'm not criticising your choice to buy new; I'm just quite tickled. There's obviously no way I'd use mine in London (with the emissions it's probably not even allowed in) but I would hope that even a 997.2 should feel pretty well screwed together still so a low mileage 991 must be good for many years yet.
Ahonen said:
This is all quite entertaining. It's like I've stumbled through a portal to the 1970s, when two or three year old cars could give problems - my dad worked for BL so I became familiar with such things from an early age. Surely modern 911s are immune to squeaks and rattles? I do more miles a year in my 20 year old 996 weekend car than you're planning and it still runs like clockwork. No rattling glovebox here - when I bought it I spent ages trying to work out how to open the glovebox but I'm glad I didn't succeed, as I what I thought must be the glovebox turned out to be the passenger airbag...
I'm not criticising your choice to buy new; I'm just quite tickled. There's obviously no way I'd use mine in London (with the emissions it's probably not even allowed in) but I would hope that even a 997.2 should feel pretty well screwed together still so a low mileage 991 must be good for many years yet.
Great thoughtful list, thank you. Planning to order soon so the contact that gave you a deal would be welcome.I'm not criticising your choice to buy new; I'm just quite tickled. There's obviously no way I'd use mine in London (with the emissions it's probably not even allowed in) but I would hope that even a 997.2 should feel pretty well screwed together still so a low mileage 991 must be good for many years yet.
Nick Murray on his YouTube channel says that if your 992 is built in December it will get a sports exhaust button (as one of the toggle switches) on the dash. It’s about time! Does anyone know where this info came from? My car is November lock down for December build and I am keen my car has this feature.
johnny senna said:
Nick Murray on his YouTube channel says that if your 992 is built in December it will get a sports exhaust button (as one of the toggle switches) on the dash. It’s about time! Does anyone know where this info came from? My car is November lock down for December build and I am keen my car has this feature.
He also said that the forthcoming Manual gearbox will be only made available in the 450PS 992S and won't be an option on the basic 992.Taffy66 said:
He also said that the forthcoming Manual gearbox will be only made available in the 450PS 992S and won't be an option on the basic 992.
Yes I noticed that too. Interesting that Porsche won't put a manual box in a basic Carrera.Does anyone have any info on the new sports exhaust button please?
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