what is an 'early' 3.4 996?
Discussion
shalmaneser said:
I'd not considered this myself but having given it some thought - the levers have a servo actuated locking mechanism which prevents their use if there is no power in the car, so they wouldn't be operable if the battery was to go flat. Don't know what the solution for this is!
Thanks ! Yes you are right even the levers will not work when the battery is dead as they are locked in place in line with the central locking position / mode. As stated by others its a matter of unscrewing 3 hex bolts raising the lever mechanism and physically moving a tab that's locking the lever in place, when the central locking is in the locked position.richthebike said:
As a thread recap for the new owners:
- the 996 has a ferocious appetite for batteries
- whilst they have a massive battery they can drain them in well under a week
- low batteries often trigger the alarm, which has a power source all of its own
- when you open with just the key in the lock make sure you put it straight in the ignition to avoid triggering the intruder alarm
- after 3 days of not using the car you'll have to open with the key in lock anyway because the car hibernates the blipper function
- the car needs a surprisingly healthy battery to turn and start. They don't seem to tolerate low voltage
- removing the stereo and alarm unit really, really helps battery drain (but retains the alarm honk for the alarm, just losing volume and the tilt sensor)
- when the battery is dead you need to break into the car to get access to it, because the frunk release is linked to the central locking, which doesn't activate off the key in door lock
- a booster pack in the 12v socket doesn't provide juice to the ignition to then let you unlock on the key because either the 3 day limit has been passed and / or the 12v socket isn't live when the ignition is off after a certain time gap following door locking
- I've never found the mythical release wire under the headlight/tail light that some speak of
- no points in my fuse box take power to open the frunk, no matter where I earth it or how I try to apply it
What did I miss?
Thanks for the info, very useful!- the 996 has a ferocious appetite for batteries
- whilst they have a massive battery they can drain them in well under a week
- low batteries often trigger the alarm, which has a power source all of its own
- when you open with just the key in the lock make sure you put it straight in the ignition to avoid triggering the intruder alarm
- after 3 days of not using the car you'll have to open with the key in lock anyway because the car hibernates the blipper function
- the car needs a surprisingly healthy battery to turn and start. They don't seem to tolerate low voltage
- removing the stereo and alarm unit really, really helps battery drain (but retains the alarm honk for the alarm, just losing volume and the tilt sensor)
- when the battery is dead you need to break into the car to get access to it, because the frunk release is linked to the central locking, which doesn't activate off the key in door lock
- a booster pack in the 12v socket doesn't provide juice to the ignition to then let you unlock on the key because either the 3 day limit has been passed and / or the 12v socket isn't live when the ignition is off after a certain time gap following door locking
- I've never found the mythical release wire under the headlight/tail light that some speak of
- no points in my fuse box take power to open the frunk, no matter where I earth it or how I try to apply it
What did I miss?
So I went down to my car yesterday, lives in underground parking in my apartment block, after 11 days of inaction.
Remote fob did nothing as you say disables itself.
Used the key in the lock, opened and the alarm sounded immediately. Put the key in ignition and thankfully the car fired in to life.
As I don't use the car much at all I have left it with the frunk unlatched for the moment. Thankfully the previous owner always had the car on a trickle charger so the battery seems quite strong. I may remove it and bring it upstairs to fully charge / recondition it with my CTEK soon though for some extra piece of mind
M5 London said:
As I don't use the car much at all I have left it with the frunk unlatched for the moment. Thankfully the previous owner always had the car on a trickle charger so the battery seems quite strong. I may remove it and bring it upstairs to fully charge / recondition it with my CTEK soon though for some extra piece of mind
This is one of the reasons I have been thinking about a light weight battery too. So I can take it indoors easily. The standard battery is quite heavy. I can just get it out without standing in the frunk. In the 981 that is impossible without standing in the frunk.ATM said:
This is one of the reasons I have been thinking about a light weight battery too. So I can take it indoors easily. The standard battery is quite heavy. I can just get it out without standing in the frunk. In the 981 that is impossible without standing in the frunk.
Haha but yikes !! Is it that bad really?I am quite used to taking batteries up to my apartment. I even keep an old suitcase in one of my cars and bring the battery up in that and then down the next day.
I have an E30 M3 and E34 M5 and they can both sit for 2 months even and start up immediately....the 996 seems electric power thirsty.
M5 London said:
ATM said:
This is one of the reasons I have been thinking about a light weight battery too. So I can take it indoors easily. The standard battery is quite heavy. I can just get it out without standing in the frunk. In the 981 that is impossible without standing in the frunk.
Haha but yikes !! Is it that bad really?I am quite used to taking batteries up to my apartment. I even keep an old suitcase in one of my cars and bring the battery up in that and then down the next day.
I have an E30 M3 and E34 M5 and they can both sit for 2 months even and start up immediately....the 996 seems electric power thirsty.
richthebike said:
As a thread recap for the new owners:
- the 996 has a ferocious appetite for batteries
- whilst they have a massive battery they can drain them in well under a week
- low batteries often trigger the alarm, which has a power source all of its own
- when you open with just the key in the lock make sure you put it straight in the ignition to avoid triggering the intruder alarm
- after 3 days of not using the car you'll have to open with the key in lock anyway because the car hibernates the blipper function
- the car needs a surprisingly healthy battery to turn and start. They don't seem to tolerate low voltage
- removing the stereo and alarm unit really, really helps battery drain (but retains the alarm honk for the alarm, just losing volume and the tilt sensor)
- when the battery is dead you need to break into the car to get access to it, because the frunk release is linked to the central locking, which doesn't activate off the key in door lock
- a booster pack in the 12v socket doesn't provide juice to the ignition to then let you unlock on the key because either the 3 day limit has been passed and / or the 12v socket isn't live when the ignition is off after a certain time gap following door locking
- I've never found the mythical release wire under the headlight/tail light that some speak of
- no points in my fuse box take power to open the frunk, no matter where I earth it or how I try to apply it
What did I miss?
Here's what I do, early 996 with no battery post in fuse box. Ditto, couldn't power up any of the fuses. Battery as flat as a witch's tit.- the 996 has a ferocious appetite for batteries
- whilst they have a massive battery they can drain them in well under a week
- low batteries often trigger the alarm, which has a power source all of its own
- when you open with just the key in the lock make sure you put it straight in the ignition to avoid triggering the intruder alarm
- after 3 days of not using the car you'll have to open with the key in lock anyway because the car hibernates the blipper function
- the car needs a surprisingly healthy battery to turn and start. They don't seem to tolerate low voltage
- removing the stereo and alarm unit really, really helps battery drain (but retains the alarm honk for the alarm, just losing volume and the tilt sensor)
- when the battery is dead you need to break into the car to get access to it, because the frunk release is linked to the central locking, which doesn't activate off the key in door lock
- a booster pack in the 12v socket doesn't provide juice to the ignition to then let you unlock on the key because either the 3 day limit has been passed and / or the 12v socket isn't live when the ignition is off after a certain time gap following door locking
- I've never found the mythical release wire under the headlight/tail light that some speak of
- no points in my fuse box take power to open the frunk, no matter where I earth it or how I try to apply it
What did I miss?
Relocate the engine cover release cable into engine bay, strap it to coolant pipe with thin cable ties. Pull loop on end of cable - reachable from under the car behind cats, cover open.
NOCO GB70 kept in cabin behind seat. Connect GB70 to terminal posts in engine bay, +ve right upper engine bay under square plastic cover, -ve is the airbox big bolt.
Start car. The NOCO seems like it's not man enough for a couple of cranks, but has never failed to start, even @50% readiness.
I also have CTEK with the comfort connector for plugging in to save all this hassle.
Guy
I have had my early 996 from new and still only some 14,000 miles. It is on its 4th battery so I agree they ‘eat’ batteries. I had the ‘locked out with flat battery’ issue early in its life and the OPC advise is to use the small oblong cut out in the front undertray to get your arm up and grab the frunk opening cable just to the side of the latch. This technique works (and avoids all sorts of costs and hassle associated with breaking in to the car) but you need relatively thin and long arms !
Finally acquired my first Porsche...have been flirting with the idea of one for about 23 years, when I went to test drive a nice 964 C2 in 1997, whilst still at university. Vendor admitted it had an engine oil leak and that coupled with the fact that it felt very clumsy and less user friendly than my then VW Rallye Golf, that I still own to this day, I walked.
I could be very wrong, but I have a vague memory that the vendor was actually RSJ when first starting out and he was selling from his parents' back garden.
Since then I've had several opportunities to get one..like in 2003 to buy an Arctic Silver on Metropole 996 C2 with turbo twists and not much else, with 11,000 miles and 1 owner, who was my friend. Again I ballsed it. Was also fairly content with my BMW E36 M3 3.0L at the time.
I got this a few weeks ago from a lovely chap, I never met him or even viewed the car. I buy the seller as much as the car and I ask a lot of questions and carry out some due diligence. I get comfortable, agree a price and simply make a bank transfer and have the car collected. I'm very busy generally, reading about cars and sort of running my business
76K Miles. M014 Sports Package (M030 – Sports Suspension Group, M220 – Locking Differential, M222 – Traction Control System, M224 – ABD (Active Brake Differential), M375/6– Sports Seat Hard Backrest Shell), Hollow Spoke Turbo Twists, a few other bits and pieces....and a manual, cable throttle car, with a Sunroof of course too
A few interesting after market additions such as a Porsche 3rd Radiator, Low Temp Thermostat, equivalent to an X51 oil sump, Eibach anti roll bars, 997 gear shift mechanism, upgraded Dual Row IMS bearing, some pretty new and loud back boxes, to name a few.
Excellent service history from day one and maintenance records suggesting circa £25k spent in the correct and usual areas, and particularly intensively over the last 5 years or so.
I've only driven it 3 times and about 80 miles so far, but I'd have to admit I'm extremely impressed. So much so I'm now looking for another 911 to add to my current, excuse for a, car collection, and its most likely going to be a 997 GT3 of some flavour or other.
I think I've seen the light in a 911.
I could be very wrong, but I have a vague memory that the vendor was actually RSJ when first starting out and he was selling from his parents' back garden.
Since then I've had several opportunities to get one..like in 2003 to buy an Arctic Silver on Metropole 996 C2 with turbo twists and not much else, with 11,000 miles and 1 owner, who was my friend. Again I ballsed it. Was also fairly content with my BMW E36 M3 3.0L at the time.
I got this a few weeks ago from a lovely chap, I never met him or even viewed the car. I buy the seller as much as the car and I ask a lot of questions and carry out some due diligence. I get comfortable, agree a price and simply make a bank transfer and have the car collected. I'm very busy generally, reading about cars and sort of running my business
76K Miles. M014 Sports Package (M030 – Sports Suspension Group, M220 – Locking Differential, M222 – Traction Control System, M224 – ABD (Active Brake Differential), M375/6– Sports Seat Hard Backrest Shell), Hollow Spoke Turbo Twists, a few other bits and pieces....and a manual, cable throttle car, with a Sunroof of course too
A few interesting after market additions such as a Porsche 3rd Radiator, Low Temp Thermostat, equivalent to an X51 oil sump, Eibach anti roll bars, 997 gear shift mechanism, upgraded Dual Row IMS bearing, some pretty new and loud back boxes, to name a few.
Excellent service history from day one and maintenance records suggesting circa £25k spent in the correct and usual areas, and particularly intensively over the last 5 years or so.
I've only driven it 3 times and about 80 miles so far, but I'd have to admit I'm extremely impressed. So much so I'm now looking for another 911 to add to my current, excuse for a, car collection, and its most likely going to be a 997 GT3 of some flavour or other.
I think I've seen the light in a 911.
Edited by M5 London on Sunday 20th September 03:58
Has anyone managed to find 255/40/17 all season tyres?
I’ve just picked up a set of 17” 10 spokes, and intend to use them as a winter wheel. Winter tyres always seem a bit compromised in wet weather, so ideally I’d like all seasons, but neither cam skill or my tyres list them in that size.
Also interested if anyone has run the 225/45/17 rear tyre size on a 9” wide rim. It is listed on the tyre size sticker but seems incredible narrow for a 9” wheel.
I’ve just picked up a set of 17” 10 spokes, and intend to use them as a winter wheel. Winter tyres always seem a bit compromised in wet weather, so ideally I’d like all seasons, but neither cam skill or my tyres list them in that size.
Also interested if anyone has run the 225/45/17 rear tyre size on a 9” wide rim. It is listed on the tyre size sticker but seems incredible narrow for a 9” wheel.
Another Ebay scammer.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353208030017?ul_noapp=t...
£7500, but then look at all the other grossly underpriced vehicles they're selling. It's been hacked.
I've reported it, just a heads up for anyone looking at the budget end.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353208030017?ul_noapp=t...
£7500, but then look at all the other grossly underpriced vehicles they're selling. It's been hacked.
I've reported it, just a heads up for anyone looking at the budget end.
M5 London said:
Finally acquired my first Porsche...have been flirting with the idea of one for about 23 years, when I went to test drive a nice 964 C2 in 1997, whilst still at university. Vendor admitted it had an engine oil leak and that coupled with the fact that it felt very clumsy and less user friendly than my then VW Rallye Golf, that I still own to this day, I walked.
I could be very wrong, but I have a vague memory that the vendor was actually RSJ when first starting out and he was selling from his parents' back garden.
Since then I've had several opportunities to get one..like in 2003 to buy an Arctic Silver on Metropole 996 C2 with turbo twists and not much else, with 11,000 miles and 1 owner, who was my friend. Again I ballsed it. Was also fairly content with my BMW E36 M3 3.0L at the time.
I got this a few weeks ago from a lovely chap, I never met him or even viewed the car. I buy the seller as much as the car and I ask a lot of questions and carry out some due diligence. I get comfortable, agree a price and simply make a bank transfer and have the car collected. I'm very busy generally, reading about cars and sort of running my business
76K Miles. M014 Sports Package (M030 – Sports Suspension Group, M220 – Locking Differential, M222 – Traction Control System, M224 – ABD (Active Brake Differential), M375/6– Sports Seat Hard Backrest Shell), Hollow Spoke Turbo Twists, a few other bits and pieces....and a manual, cable throttle car, with a Sunroof of course too
A few interesting after market additions such as a Porsche 3rd Radiator, Low Temp Thermostat, equivalent to an X51 oil sump, Eibach anti roll bars, 997 gear shift mechanism, upgraded Dual Row IMS bearing, some pretty new and loud back boxes, to name a few.
Excellent service history from day one and maintenance records suggesting circa £25k spent in the correct and usual areas, and particularly intensively over the last 5 years or so.
I've only driven it 3 times and about 80 miles so far, but I'd have to admit I'm extremely impressed. So much so I'm now looking for another 911 to add to my current, excuse for a, car collection, and its most likely going to be a 997 GT3 of some flavour or other.
I think I've seen the light in a 911.
Sounds like a lovely buy! I could be very wrong, but I have a vague memory that the vendor was actually RSJ when first starting out and he was selling from his parents' back garden.
Since then I've had several opportunities to get one..like in 2003 to buy an Arctic Silver on Metropole 996 C2 with turbo twists and not much else, with 11,000 miles and 1 owner, who was my friend. Again I ballsed it. Was also fairly content with my BMW E36 M3 3.0L at the time.
I got this a few weeks ago from a lovely chap, I never met him or even viewed the car. I buy the seller as much as the car and I ask a lot of questions and carry out some due diligence. I get comfortable, agree a price and simply make a bank transfer and have the car collected. I'm very busy generally, reading about cars and sort of running my business
76K Miles. M014 Sports Package (M030 – Sports Suspension Group, M220 – Locking Differential, M222 – Traction Control System, M224 – ABD (Active Brake Differential), M375/6– Sports Seat Hard Backrest Shell), Hollow Spoke Turbo Twists, a few other bits and pieces....and a manual, cable throttle car, with a Sunroof of course too
A few interesting after market additions such as a Porsche 3rd Radiator, Low Temp Thermostat, equivalent to an X51 oil sump, Eibach anti roll bars, 997 gear shift mechanism, upgraded Dual Row IMS bearing, some pretty new and loud back boxes, to name a few.
Excellent service history from day one and maintenance records suggesting circa £25k spent in the correct and usual areas, and particularly intensively over the last 5 years or so.
I've only driven it 3 times and about 80 miles so far, but I'd have to admit I'm extremely impressed. So much so I'm now looking for another 911 to add to my current, excuse for a, car collection, and its most likely going to be a 997 GT3 of some flavour or other.
I think I've seen the light in a 911.
Edited by M5 London on Sunday 20th September 03:58
HughG said:
Has anyone managed to find 255/40/17 all season tyres?
I’ve just picked up a set of 17” 10 spokes, and intend to use them as a winter wheel. Winter tyres always seem a bit compromised in wet weather, so ideally I’d like all seasons, but neither cam skill or my tyres list them in that size.
Also interested if anyone has run the 225/45/17 rear tyre size on a 9” wide rim. It is listed on the tyre size sticker but seems incredible narrow for a 9” wheel.
NoI’ve just picked up a set of 17” 10 spokes, and intend to use them as a winter wheel. Winter tyres always seem a bit compromised in wet weather, so ideally I’d like all seasons, but neither cam skill or my tyres list them in that size.
Also interested if anyone has run the 225/45/17 rear tyre size on a 9” wide rim. It is listed on the tyre size sticker but seems incredible narrow for a 9” wheel.
I searched high and low. I've still not acquired any sort of winter type tyres for mine either. I was thinking 235 45 17 as these seem readily available. The Porsche blurb does indeed say you can go 225 45 on the 9 inch rim but not sure I fancy doing it.
ATM said:
HughG said:
Has anyone managed to find 255/40/17 all season tyres?
I’ve just picked up a set of 17” 10 spokes, and intend to use them as a winter wheel. Winter tyres always seem a bit compromised in wet weather, so ideally I’d like all seasons, but neither cam skill or my tyres list them in that size.
Also interested if anyone has run the 225/45/17 rear tyre size on a 9” wide rim. It is listed on the tyre size sticker but seems incredible narrow for a 9” wheel.
NoI’ve just picked up a set of 17” 10 spokes, and intend to use them as a winter wheel. Winter tyres always seem a bit compromised in wet weather, so ideally I’d like all seasons, but neither cam skill or my tyres list them in that size.
Also interested if anyone has run the 225/45/17 rear tyre size on a 9” wide rim. It is listed on the tyre size sticker but seems incredible narrow for a 9” wheel.
I searched high and low. I've still not acquired any sort of winter type tyres for mine either. I was thinking 235 45 17 as these seem readily available. The Porsche blurb does indeed say you can go 225 45 on the 9 inch rim but not sure I fancy doing it.
Seem to be a few available?
Thanks.
Before purchasing the wheels I was thinking that going for a similar tyre size, such as a 245/45 all weather tyre like a Vredstein Quatrac Pro which is available from cam skill in 245/45. The comments on your thread about sidewall movement and the 996 needing a stiff sidewall are a concern as I would imagine a taller sidewall is typically less stiff. I’d also expect a higher load rating tyre to have a stiffer sidewall, though I could be wrong.
Looking further at winters, the Porsche approved Sottozero3 in 255/40 comes out very well in a group test, and is least good in the snow so in effect performs more like an all weather tyre. That’s fine given the very limited amount of snow we get in Kent.
https://alltyretests.com/pirelli-winter-sottozero-...
The only problem is the price, £640 a set vs £380 for the Vredstein Quatracs.
ATM - Did you just get used to the increased sidewall movement with yours or did you end up changing tyres to get the feel right?
Before purchasing the wheels I was thinking that going for a similar tyre size, such as a 245/45 all weather tyre like a Vredstein Quatrac Pro which is available from cam skill in 245/45. The comments on your thread about sidewall movement and the 996 needing a stiff sidewall are a concern as I would imagine a taller sidewall is typically less stiff. I’d also expect a higher load rating tyre to have a stiffer sidewall, though I could be wrong.
Looking further at winters, the Porsche approved Sottozero3 in 255/40 comes out very well in a group test, and is least good in the snow so in effect performs more like an all weather tyre. That’s fine given the very limited amount of snow we get in Kent.
https://alltyretests.com/pirelli-winter-sottozero-...
The only problem is the price, £640 a set vs £380 for the Vredstein Quatracs.
ATM - Did you just get used to the increased sidewall movement with yours or did you end up changing tyres to get the feel right?
Edited by HughG on Monday 21st September 14:38
Looks fantastic! Congratulations on the purchase, and good to hear you've got the 911 itch.
What are you planning on using it for? With such an interesting collection I guess you have something in mind?
What are you planning on using it for? With such an interesting collection I guess you have something in mind?
M5 London said:
Finally acquired my first Porsche...have been flirting with the idea of one for about 23 years, when I went to test drive a nice 964 C2 in 1997, whilst still at university. Vendor admitted it had an engine oil leak and that coupled with the fact that it felt very clumsy and less user friendly than my then VW Rallye Golf, that I still own to this day, I walked.
I could be very wrong, but I have a vague memory that the vendor was actually RSJ when first starting out and he was selling from his parents' back garden.
Since then I've had several opportunities to get one..like in 2003 to buy an Arctic Silver on Metropole 996 C2 with turbo twists and not much else, with 11,000 miles and 1 owner, who was my friend. Again I ballsed it. Was also fairly content with my BMW E36 M3 3.0L at the time.
I got this a few weeks ago from a lovely chap, I never met him or even viewed the car. I buy the seller as much as the car and I ask a lot of questions and carry out some due diligence. I get comfortable, agree a price and simply make a bank transfer and have the car collected. I'm very busy generally, reading about cars and sort of running my business
76K Miles. M014 Sports Package (M030 – Sports Suspension Group, M220 – Locking Differential, M222 – Traction Control System, M224 – ABD (Active Brake Differential), M375/6– Sports Seat Hard Backrest Shell), Hollow Spoke Turbo Twists, a few other bits and pieces....and a manual, cable throttle car, with a Sunroof of course too
A few interesting after market additions such as a Porsche 3rd Radiator, Low Temp Thermostat, equivalent to an X51 oil sump, Eibach anti roll bars, 997 gear shift mechanism, upgraded Dual Row IMS bearing, some pretty new and loud back boxes, to name a few.
Excellent service history from day one and maintenance records suggesting circa £25k spent in the correct and usual areas, and particularly intensively over the last 5 years or so.
I've only driven it 3 times and about 80 miles so far, but I'd have to admit I'm extremely impressed. So much so I'm now looking for another 911 to add to my current, excuse for a, car collection, and its most likely going to be a 997 GT3 of some flavour or other.
I think I've seen the light in a 911.
I could be very wrong, but I have a vague memory that the vendor was actually RSJ when first starting out and he was selling from his parents' back garden.
Since then I've had several opportunities to get one..like in 2003 to buy an Arctic Silver on Metropole 996 C2 with turbo twists and not much else, with 11,000 miles and 1 owner, who was my friend. Again I ballsed it. Was also fairly content with my BMW E36 M3 3.0L at the time.
I got this a few weeks ago from a lovely chap, I never met him or even viewed the car. I buy the seller as much as the car and I ask a lot of questions and carry out some due diligence. I get comfortable, agree a price and simply make a bank transfer and have the car collected. I'm very busy generally, reading about cars and sort of running my business
76K Miles. M014 Sports Package (M030 – Sports Suspension Group, M220 – Locking Differential, M222 – Traction Control System, M224 – ABD (Active Brake Differential), M375/6– Sports Seat Hard Backrest Shell), Hollow Spoke Turbo Twists, a few other bits and pieces....and a manual, cable throttle car, with a Sunroof of course too
A few interesting after market additions such as a Porsche 3rd Radiator, Low Temp Thermostat, equivalent to an X51 oil sump, Eibach anti roll bars, 997 gear shift mechanism, upgraded Dual Row IMS bearing, some pretty new and loud back boxes, to name a few.
Excellent service history from day one and maintenance records suggesting circa £25k spent in the correct and usual areas, and particularly intensively over the last 5 years or so.
I've only driven it 3 times and about 80 miles so far, but I'd have to admit I'm extremely impressed. So much so I'm now looking for another 911 to add to my current, excuse for a, car collection, and its most likely going to be a 997 GT3 of some flavour or other.
I think I've seen the light in a 911.
Edited by M5 London on Sunday 20th September 03:58
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