992 - anyone specing one yet?
Discussion
Taffy66 said:
Thank you for your concern 
In all honesty if i feel the 992 is basically undriveable sans RAS i'll consider rejecting it outright and sue their arses for selling me such an unsafe substandard car..
Chap at the PEC suggested RAS comes into its own on the track, if you don't plan to do too much track time then spend the money elsewhere was his opinion. I can't believe it won't improve the car and think it may become one of those must haves. In all honesty if i feel the 992 is basically undriveable sans RAS i'll consider rejecting it outright and sue their arses for selling me such an unsafe substandard car..Blue62 said:
Taffy66 said:
Thank you for your concern In all honesty if i feel the 992 is basically undriveable sans RAS i'll consider rejecting it outright and sue their arses for selling me such an unsafe substandard car..
Chap at the PEC suggested RAS comes into its own on the track, if you don't plan to do too much track time then spend the money elsewhere was his opinion. I can't believe it won't improve the car and think it may become one of those must haves. In all honesty if i feel the 992 is basically undriveable sans RAS i'll consider rejecting it outright and sue their arses for selling me such an unsafe substandard car..Davidkn said:
I cant wait until you get yours and announce that you’re changing the spec of you cab or denounce you were right all along, the number of times I’ve seen you post this, if i got a pound for every time, i’d have enough to purchase a 992 
My opinion, it might not ‘need’ it, but i cant imagine it wouldn’t be better with it.
Agree. It will only make the car better. So if the car is good enough without RAS it will be even better with it.My opinion, it might not ‘need’ it, but i cant imagine it wouldn’t be better with it.
Given the cost in the bigger picture of the purchase price of this vehicle it seems a no brainer.
Deep said:
Davidkn said:
I cant wait until you get yours and announce that you’re changing the spec of you cab or denounce you were right all along, the number of times I’ve seen you post this, if i got a pound for every time, i’d have enough to purchase a 992
My opinion, it might not ‘need’ it, but i cant imagine it wouldn’t be better with it.
Agree. It will only make the car better. So if the car is good enough without RAS it will be even better with it.My opinion, it might not ‘need’ it, but i cant imagine it wouldn’t be better with it.
Given the cost in the bigger picture of the purchase price of this vehicle it seems a no brainer.
PEC is about sales and making you tick box's
I have 2 991 911's a car with it and one with out, it's imo not worth having track or road. it's yet another driver aid, along with PDK, PTV, E-diff, PDCC, PSP, PSM
so if you like all that s
t and are waiting for automatic steering, go for it :-) (or buy a Tesla)yes the car turns in quicker so no need to trail brake, so what ! if you are on a roundabout and getting under steer get the back end out ;-)
or better still get a proper geo on the car !!
on my Golf we hack the software to turn off traction and PTV (or VWTV), we want to drive our cars.
franki68 said:
Just had a go in one this morning .
Amazing ride comfort and incrementally better in every way than the car it replaces .
Not sure the engine is any better than in the gts I had ,nor the steering or pdk.
Not a fan of the interior ,that is just me because I find these touch screens mean you taking your eyes off the road to fiddle with them ,but it looks nice.
Car does not feel any bigger when you drive it .
Did you got get the Audi VW feel from it, it's no 911 imo and the switch gear feels plastic cheap, also you loose the 5 nice dials for LCd'sAmazing ride comfort and incrementally better in every way than the car it replaces .
Not sure the engine is any better than in the gts I had ,nor the steering or pdk.
Not a fan of the interior ,that is just me because I find these touch screens mean you taking your eyes off the road to fiddle with them ,but it looks nice.
Car does not feel any bigger when you drive it .
Porsche911R said:
franki68 said:
Just had a go in one this morning .
Amazing ride comfort and incrementally better in every way than the car it replaces .
Not sure the engine is any better than in the gts I had ,nor the steering or pdk.
Not a fan of the interior ,that is just me because I find these touch screens mean you taking your eyes off the road to fiddle with them ,but it looks nice.
Car does not feel any bigger when you drive it .
Did you got get the Audi VW feel from it, it's no 911 imo and the switch gear feels plastic cheap, also you loose the 5 nice dials for LCd'sAmazing ride comfort and incrementally better in every way than the car it replaces .
Not sure the engine is any better than in the gts I had ,nor the steering or pdk.
Not a fan of the interior ,that is just me because I find these touch screens mean you taking your eyes off the road to fiddle with them ,but it looks nice.
Car does not feel any bigger when you drive it .
It did feel a little like some corners were cut quality wise .
franki68 said:
I thought some of the switches looked great and thought they were metal only to find they were plastic which was disappointing ,and there was just too much going on with the screens as well.
It did feel a little like some corners were cut quality wise .
that was my shock, it's looks expensive but feels really cheap. but it's how they drive which is important and to me and a few others 911 fans I know , it's now not got any 911 DNA ! they have de 911 a 911 :-( It did feel a little like some corners were cut quality wise .
Porsche911R said:
When I speak to the Race instructors they hate RWS as the cars not as predictable !
PEC is about sales and making you tick box's
I have 2 991 911's a car with it and one with out, it's imo not worth having track or road. it's yet another driver aid, along with PDK, PTV, E-diff, PDCC, PSP, PSM
so if you like all that st and are waiting for automatic steering, go for it :-) (or buy a Tesla)
yes the car turns in quicker so no need to trail brake, so what ! if you are on a roundabout and getting under steer get the back end out ;-)
or better still get a proper geo on the car !!
on my Golf we hack the software to turn off traction and PTV (or VWTV), we want to drive our cars.
Ok, whatever you say.PEC is about sales and making you tick box's
I have 2 991 911's a car with it and one with out, it's imo not worth having track or road. it's yet another driver aid, along with PDK, PTV, E-diff, PDCC, PSP, PSM
so if you like all that s
t and are waiting for automatic steering, go for it :-) (or buy a Tesla)yes the car turns in quicker so no need to trail brake, so what ! if you are on a roundabout and getting under steer get the back end out ;-)
or better still get a proper geo on the car !!
on my Golf we hack the software to turn off traction and PTV (or VWTV), we want to drive our cars.
- anyone specing one yet? So that will be a no then?
That's ok, I'll just happily join the long term Porsche owners who obvious don't know better or the never owned a Porsche brigade ...and happily get one anyway (with the heretical RAS too ) I'll try not and have to rip out of that modern rubbish like power steering and pneumatic tyres. Hope I can find an AA phone booth nearby if I have trouble, as perish the thought I would dare carry a mobile phone.
I am so looking froward to the delivery. Some might even remember when they were once half excited about the new car coming.
That's ok, I'll just happily join the long term Porsche owners who obvious don't know better or the never owned a Porsche brigade ...and happily get one anyway (with the heretical RAS too ) I'll try not and have to rip out of that modern rubbish like power steering and pneumatic tyres. Hope I can find an AA phone booth nearby if I have trouble, as perish the thought I would dare carry a mobile phone.
I am so looking froward to the delivery. Some might even remember when they were once half excited about the new car coming.
Deep said:
Ok, whatever you say.
If you need the help to get round a bend spec it, pretty simple what it does, just another level of automation and that's what people love because it makes them faster. Enjoy it the next car you might buy will prob steer it's self anyway, perfection...Porsche911R said:
If you need the help to get round a bend spec it, pretty simple what it does, just another level of automation and that's what people love because it makes them faster. Enjoy it the next car you might buy will prob steer it's self anyway, perfection...
Your back.... please dont go over expressing your opinions, you DONT like RWS I/we get it, i have, and still own Porsche 991 RS's and 992 and i was a racer, i think on the road and on a small track the RWS helps.You do need to learn the art of thinking before opening ones mouth, be happy for the guys spending there 100k plus on there dream car, less negativity please.
BTW- my 992 C4s in Gentine Blue is sublime to drive... did not spec the PDCC as felt on my 991 GTS which had it it was not really required for a sports car, id only spec PDCC on a fast Cayenne for the shear body roll control that is required. There is a few 'quirks' to the 992 the major one for me is the gearshifter... its rubbish. I still cant believe they released a new car with that, also getting used to the park button you momentary have to adjust your brain from the 991's and look for it lol!
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Edited by MeisterH on Wednesday 22 May 16:23
MeisterH said:
Your back.... please dont go over expressing your opinions, you DONT like RWS I/we get it, i have, and still own Porsche 991 RS's and 992 and i was a racer, i think on the road and on a small track the RWS helps.
You do need to learn the art of thinking before opening ones mouth, be happy for the guys spending there 100k plus on there dream car, less negativity please.
A forum is to post opinions is it not ? You do need to learn the art of thinking before opening ones mouth, be happy for the guys spending there 100k plus on there dream car, less negativity please.
I said I had NOT made my mind up about RWS yet in full, what I DID say was racers (ie people who get paid to race)seem to dislike RWS as it's less predicable at the limit. NOT MY WORDS.
People on PH like Automation that's pretty clear to see, the more help to go faster the better, I feel the other way and would like less driver aids.
You state RWS helps. I don't want the help do you ? in fact I am pretty sick of the way cars are going.
I picked up my Aventurine 992S today and drove the 100 miles home on a mix of motorways and some very twisty back roads..First thing is its a bloody fast car with virtually undetectable lag, even less than my old 991.2GTS..The ride quality is on a different planet to my 991.2GTS IMO.
Compared to the 991.2 without RAS my non RAS is much more nimble especially on turn in.I attribute this to the 11% faster steering rack and wider front track..I never missed RAS for a second on the twisty back roads in complete contrast to a non RAS 991.2 i might add. No doubt an RAS 992 will be even nimbler and probably more noticeable at the small twisty PEC track.
Based on my first drive i thought the new Goodyears were brilliant in both feel and ride and in a completely different league to the Pirellis on my old GTS..Based on this i hope my August build RS WP will have the same tyres albeit in the R compound..
Compared to the 991.2 without RAS my non RAS is much more nimble especially on turn in.I attribute this to the 11% faster steering rack and wider front track..I never missed RAS for a second on the twisty back roads in complete contrast to a non RAS 991.2 i might add. No doubt an RAS 992 will be even nimbler and probably more noticeable at the small twisty PEC track.
Based on my first drive i thought the new Goodyears were brilliant in both feel and ride and in a completely different league to the Pirellis on my old GTS..Based on this i hope my August build RS WP will have the same tyres albeit in the R compound..
Porsche911R said:
MeisterH said:
Your back.... please dont go over expressing your opinions, you DONT like RWS I/we get it, i have, and still own Porsche 991 RS's and 992 and i was a racer, i think on the road and on a small track the RWS helps.
You do need to learn the art of thinking before opening ones mouth, be happy for the guys spending there 100k plus on there dream car, less negativity please.
I said I had NOT made my mind up about RWS yet in full, what I DID say was racers (ie people who get paid to race)seem to dislike RWS as it's less predicable at the limit. NOT MY WORDS.You do need to learn the art of thinking before opening ones mouth, be happy for the guys spending there 100k plus on there dream car, less negativity please.
I guess they are the racers you've been chatting to?
Porsche911R said:
If you need the help to get round a bend spec it, pretty simple what it does, just another level of automation and that's what people love because it makes them faster. Enjoy it the next car you might buy will prob steer it's self anyway, perfection...
Sure, you know best.Taffy66 said:
I picked up my Aventurine 992S today and drove the 100 miles home on a mix of motorways and some very twisty back roads..First thing is its a bloody fast car with virtually undetectable lag, even less than my old 991.2GTS..The ride quality is on a different planet to my 991.2GTS IMO.
Compared to the 991.2 without RAS my non RAS is much more nimble especially on turn in.I attribute this to the 11% faster steering rack and wider front track..I never missed RAS for a second on the twisty back roads in complete contrast to a non RAS 991.2 i might add. No doubt an RAS 992 will be even nimbler and probably more noticeable at the small twisty PEC track.
Based on my first drive i thought the new Goodyears were brilliant in both feel and ride and in a completely different league to the Pirellis on my old GTS..Based on this i hope my August build RS WP will have the same tyres albeit in the R compound..
Glad you're are enjoying the car buddy! awesome bit of kit for what is an nearly an entry model, agree the Goodyears are a revelation, but come on....... Cup R's ahahahaha do you really think that Taffy... Compared to the 991.2 without RAS my non RAS is much more nimble especially on turn in.I attribute this to the 11% faster steering rack and wider front track..I never missed RAS for a second on the twisty back roads in complete contrast to a non RAS 991.2 i might add. No doubt an RAS 992 will be even nimbler and probably more noticeable at the small twisty PEC track.
Based on my first drive i thought the new Goodyears were brilliant in both feel and ride and in a completely different league to the Pirellis on my old GTS..Based on this i hope my August build RS WP will have the same tyres albeit in the R compound..
Have had loads of cars including some very fast race derived versions. Have to say that my 992 is ok but cannot understand why everyone keeps on about RWS and turn in etc. When you're on the M6 or A56 it matters not one jot. You cant really see any difference unless on a racetrack and lets face it, more time is spent on A and B roads than the racetrack.
I have a proper track car and can’t even say i am qualified to comment on turn in and balance and all that tosh. Surely only professionals can comment on this and with that in mind it must follow to that all road cars are crap as each track demands a different set up of the vehicle.
Just sayin..........
I have a proper track car and can’t even say i am qualified to comment on turn in and balance and all that tosh. Surely only professionals can comment on this and with that in mind it must follow to that all road cars are crap as each track demands a different set up of the vehicle.
Just sayin..........
Deep said:
Sure, you know best.
Never said I did ? Matters not to me, I own one rws car and one sans rws, I can only say what a couple of pro race drivers have said. Why that upsets people is odd.
After driving the none rws steer car for a week, then jumping in the rws car, In the 1st 3 bends I need to recalibrate, but over all it makes no odds to me, tyres and geo are key and most people live with the p zero and oem understeeing geo,s, but I swapped my GTS tyres to ps4s straight away which offer great turn in and none of my cars run oem geo's.
I would say the ave 992 owners will not change tyres or geo, it is what it is.
It’s very hard to get to the limit in my GT3, so I tend to take what pro race drivers were saying made some sense when driving the car on track over or close to the limit.
Again if people like the feel of rws over fixed , then spec it, who cares.
I am working out what car to start a project on, and it won’t be one with all these driver aids as I spent 30 years honing a skill and quite like the challenge and enjoyment of driving a car over the car driving me.
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