992 - anyone specing one yet?

[d16rr]

AMTony said:

Have had loads of cars including some very fast race derived versions. Have to say that my 992 is ok but cannot understand why everyone keeps on about RWS and turn in etc. When you're on the M6 or A56 it matters not one jot. You cant really see any difference unless on a racetrack and lets face it, more time is spent on A and B roads than the racetrack.
I have a proper track car and can’t even say i am qualified to comment on turn in and balance and all that tosh. Surely only professionals can comment on this and with that in mind it must follow to that all road cars are crap as each track demands a different set up of the vehicle.
Just sayin..........

Agree spot on, what a waste of money, like to have someone show me why their must have rws car is any better than mine, oh you can probably park it quicker does that count

[Porsche911R]

d16rr said:

Agree spot on, what a waste of money, like to have someone show me why their must have rws car is any better than mine, oh you can probably park it quicker does that count

I would not say it’s a waste of money, you can feel a difference, back to back and on a short test drive I can see people ticking the rws box, after the first round about.
Or if you live in a city.
It’s only when you live with both systems on the same brand tyres ones thinks it’s just different not better.

Remember they only steer the oppersite way till 31 mph and on slower test drives at round abouts it feels great.

At speed the wheel base and 911 is stable anyway, no rws on the cup racers is there :-)

So yes below 31mph the cars feels shorter, that’s about it.

I cannot really tell over 50 when they steer the same way to be fair.

If it’s less predicable to drive for a race car, I can see why the racers did not like it.

[Taffy66]

Porsche911R said:

I would not say it’s a waste of money, you can feel a difference, back to back and on a short test drive I can see people ticking the rws box, after the first round about.
Or if you live in a city.
It’s only when you live with both systems on the same brand tyres ones thinks it’s just different not better.

Remember they only steer the oppersite way till 31 mph and on slower test drives at round abouts it feels great.

At speed the wheel base and 911 is stable anyway, no rws on the cup racers is there :-)

So yes below 31mph the cars feels shorter, that’s about it.

I cannot really tell over 50 when they steer the same way to be fair.

If it’s less predicable to drive for a race car, I can see why the racers did not like it.

I went on my favourite 60 mile mountain drive tonight for a quick blast in my new 992..I was driving at a fair lick on an amazing road with every type of bend,crest and dip you can imagine..Its a quantum leap up from the 991 IMO in the way it shrugs off uneven road surfaces..Its got the best damping and body control of any normal road car i've driven..It drives more like a GT Porsche in that the harder you push it the better it gets and involving and fun when driven fast,
Mine doesn't have RAS and as i've never driven a 992 with it fitted its not a fair comparison..However based on my drive tonight i never gave RAS a second thought as the 992 without it is plenty nimble enough in my hands.
Its an astonishing fast car point to point but remarkably supple at low speeds in normal suspension setting..Can't wait for the basic non S 992 with the Manual box and 400PS..It should be about 50Kg lighter and a good chunk cheaper..

[arcamalpha]

MeisterH said:

Taffy66 said:

Based on my first drive i thought the new Goodyears were brilliant in both feel and ride and in a completely different league to the Pirellis.

Glad you're are enjoying the car buddy! awesome bit of kit for what is an nearly an entry model, agree the Goodyears are a revelation, but come on....... Cup R's ahahahaha do you really think that Taffy...

Which Goodyears are they? The new Supersports?

I really hope mine has goodyears when it comes. I’ve seen a few photos of 992s with pirellis but not in the uk. Of course the website pics show Michelin but that’s probably too much to hope for!

[AMTony]

I have RWS on my car but to be honest I cannot tell the difference. My point was that there will be only a few that can tell the real difference and then does it really matter given that we drive on UK pothole filled roads. Some bang on about weight and how it affects the car, again does it really matter. The arguing gets tiresome at times. We all spec the cars we like and just because someone has RWS or PASM it really doesnt matter. We enjoy the cars for what they are which are fast road cars in the main.
If it really helps I saved 5Kg since I got mine - I went on a diet......best weight saving you can make

[APOLO1]

The thing is with RWS, you soon forget that its there. Its only when you have a drive in a car that does not have it, that it feels like "what's going on here". Personally for me its one of the must have options. On track when you drive it back to back with a car that does not have it in my opinion it makes a big difference in both the slow and fast corners. But this is for a track day not a race day.

Imo

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

I went on my favourite 60 mile mountain drive tonight for a quick blast in my new 992..I was driving at a fair lick on an amazing road with every type of bend,crest and dip you can imagine..Its a quantum leap up from the 991 IMO in the way it shrugs off uneven road surfaces..Its got the best damping and body control of any normal road car i've driven..It drives more like a GT Porsche in that the harder you push it the better it gets and involving and fun when driven fast,
Mine doesn't have RAS and as i've never driven a 992 with it fitted its not a fair comparison..However based on my drive tonight i never gave RAS a second thought as the 992 without it is plenty nimble enough in my hands.
Its an astonishing fast car point to point but remarkably supple at low speeds in normal suspension setting..Can't wait for the basic non S 992 with the Manual box and 400PS..It should be about 50Kg lighter and a good chunk cheaper..

PASM always been poor though, hence people made the DSC box which changes the ride 10 fold, I think Porsche picked up on how they can use the full damper range over having very limited PASM ranges oem !!! 991 owners are best to fit the DSC box for a much better ride as it then uses the full range of the damping.

My Golf is better than any of the 8 Porkers I have owned for body control and damping on passives, it's amazing and takes what you throw at it.

Never been a fan of PASM and it should NOT even be on GT cars imo, the 1st thing Manthey do is rip it out !

[ags11]

Taffy66 said:

I went on my favourite 60 mile mountain drive tonight for a quick blast in my new 992..I was driving at a fair lick on an amazing road with every type of bend,crest and dip you can imagine..Its a quantum leap up from the 991 IMO in the way it shrugs off uneven road surfaces..Its got the best damping and body control of any normal road car i've driven..It drives more like a GT Porsche in that the harder you push it the better it gets and involving and fun when driven fast,
Mine doesn't have RAS and as i've never driven a 992 with it fitted its not a fair comparison..However based on my drive tonight i never gave RAS a second thought as the 992 without it is plenty nimble enough in my hands.
Its an astonishing fast car point to point but remarkably supple at low speeds in normal suspension setting..Can't wait for the basic non S 992 with the Manual box and 400PS..It should be about 50Kg lighter and a good chunk cheaper..

I'm not being clever, but why don't you save a few quid and buy a 991 T?
They're great fun on the road, perfect amount of power..

[d16rr]

APOLO1 said:

The thing is with RWS, you soon forget that its there. Its only when you have a drive in a car that does not have it, that it feels like "what's going on here". Personally for me its one of the must have options. On track when you drive it back to back with a car that does not have it in my opinion it makes a big difference in both the slow and fast corners. But this is for a track day not a race day.

Imo

I'd wager that it's no quicker than without, it makes you feel good that's fine but ultimately that's it just feels good for you, you've pccb's on your car too, they are not a must have but possibly they are for you, all good and what you want but neither are definitive must haves just personal choice, after all 99.9 per cent of them will never see a track

[Blue62]

The more I read this thread, the more convinced I am that what I was told at the PEC is correct. My 911 ownership goes all the way back to 1996 and a C2 993, 8 cars later I still think the simple iterations are the best and that includes the omission of PDK, though I fully accept it is a great gearbox.

For me 911 ownership is about a challenging and involving driving experience, you get out what you put in. As far as RWS is concerned I think I will tick that box for my next daily A6 Avant, it might save a few kerbed alloys and dinked bumpers.

[Twinfan]

Porsche911R said:

PASM always been poor though, hence people made the DSC box which changes the ride 10 fold, I think Porsche picked up on how they can use the full damper range over having very limited PASM ranges oem !!! 991 owners are best to fit the DSC box for a much better ride as it then uses the full range of the damping.

I disagree. On 9x7 cars the consensus is that the DSC box is a definite improvement on OEM PASM settings for both road and/or track use. On the 9x1 series cars Porsche upped their game and unless you need to dial in very specific track focussed settings the DSC isn't needed for a road car. Porsche OEM settings are very good.

You prefer a more hardcore car so you may feel a DSC box is needed in your 991.1. GTS, but for all-round road-only use for the majority of owners it appears to be a waste of £1200.

[Taffy66]

Twinfan said:

I disagree. On 9x7 cars the consensus is that the DSC box is a definite improvement on OEM PASM settings for both road and/or track use. On the 9x1 series cars Porsche upped their game and unless you need to dial in very specific track focussed settings the DSC isn't needed for a road car. Porsche OEM settings are very good.

You prefer a more hardcore car so you may feel a DSC box is needed in your 991.1. GTS, but for all-round road-only use for the majority of owners it appears to be a waste of £1200.

I agree but with one addition.
When you drive a 992 on a bumpy rough road you realise pretty quick that Porsche have improved the PASM hugely over the already brilliant 991.2.
The PASM on the 992 rides much better at one end of the spectrum yet has superior body control at the other extreme..As i've already said its only when you drive a 992 at speed on a twisty bumpy road do you realise what an achievement the new car is over the old one..
Based on the 992S i think the Turbo,GTS,GT3 and RSs versions are going to be even more amazing..

[Twinfan]

I'm sure the 992 is even better.

My point was to 911R that PASM on the 991 series was not good enough, which I dispute.

[APOLO1]

d16rr said:

I'd wager that it's no quicker than without, it makes you feel good that's fine but ultimately that's it just feels good for you, you've pccb's on your car too, they are not a must have but possibly they are for you, all good and what you want but neither are definitive must haves just personal choice, after all 99.9 per cent of them will never see a track

On a twisty track with same good driver, over a lap time on stock Geo a RWS car would be faster. But as you point out a lot is down to personal preference and budget. The only reason i spec CCBDs is because i track all my cars, as such i prefer the advantages of CCBDs for track use. Had my cars been solely for road use, i would most likely just go with the standard brakes.

[Taffy66]

Just come back from another spin in my 992..Its so confidence inspiring and astonishingly more capable than the 991.2..This part i find hard to believe as i really liked the 991..The new Goodyear tyres are brilliant in all respects and they really convey the road surface to the steering wheel..Probably the best allround car i've ever driven and very difficult to find another car so quick across country on all types of road surfaces..
I have a 992 Cabrio coming in a few months, however based on how much i'm enjoying my coupe i might sell the Cabrio straight away and keep the coupe..

First world problems and all that..!

[Taffy66]

Just checked my new 992S paperwork and found a Customer copy of the official Porsche factory breakdown of my specific 992..Its all in German so you need to use Google translate..It has basically a very detailed breakdown of my car's emissions,weights,measurements,power etc.
I was particularly drawn towards the official weight of my car.
13: The EU weight inc 75Kg driver and luggage is 1590Kg which is identical to the weight on the Porsche website.
13.2: The EU weight as above plus all the actual options fitted to my particular car which is exactly 1623Kg..

Just checked this which shows that all the options i've added amounts to 33Kg..

To anyone who is interested can you check yours even to satisfy curiosity..

[Kevin-sz0nv]

My pals just got one I can't believe how much nicer the interior is it def is a major step on from all other 911s. Bloody quick as well, he's ordering the Turbo so that will be pretty fast!

[arcamalpha]

Taffy66 said:

Just checked my new 992S paperwork and found a Customer copy of the official Porsche factory breakdown of my specific 992..Its all in German so you need to use Google translate..It has basically a very detailed breakdown of my car's emissions,weights,measurements,power etc.
I was particularly drawn towards the official weight of my car.
13: The EU weight inc 75Kg driver and luggage is 1590Kg which is identical to the weight on the Porsche website.
13.2: The EU weight as above plus all the actual options fitted to my particular car which is exactly 1623Kg..

Just checked this which shows that all the options i've added amounts to 33Kg..

To anyone who is interested can you check yours even to satisfy curiosity..

Which options do you have?

[APOLO1]

Thought the 992 C2s felt Quick on Track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjSTxKfX1hg

[Cheib]

Browsing the classifieds found delivery mileage 992’s at OPC’s....quite a surprise given how new the model is as I am guessing these are cars they have had to spec and take into stock.

Aventurine Green at OPC Silverstone
https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/10068027-12166...

White at OPC Edinburgh

https://www.sytner.co.uk/car-search/9895046-119944...

Aventurine Green at OPC Sheffield

https://www.jct600.co.uk/nearly-new-cars/porsche-9...

Racing Yellow at OPC Sheffield

https://www.jct600.co.uk/nearly-new-cars/porsche-9...

Guards Red at OPC Aberdeen

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...