what is an 'early' 3.4 996?

[Armut Schweinefleisch-911]

Huntsman said:

julian987R said:

nunpuncher said:

Who the hell makes a feature out of the rain rails? There's a lot needs putting right on that.

A complete money pit, quite possibly one of the worse I have ever seen. The poster Huntsman needs help - what on earth is he thinking? he is going to get burnt if he thinks that is an "oh!" car. More like "doh!"

Oh, I see, the rain gutters have some silver on them, I hadnt spotted that, wrap I guess, I figured the silver bits on the front bumper and the Carrera logos could all be peeled off.

Go on then, why is it a money pit?

Edited by Huntsman on Monday 2nd August 08:33

In fairness the MOT history doesn't ring any alarm bells. Those aesthetics are a bit challenging admittedly but easily remedied one would hope. If it was local I would certainly take a look for myself as pics aren't always a reliable gauge for condition. I'd also look at paperwork and see if you can speak to the previous owner. Although that's not always so easy nowadays.

[Hoofy]

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

Huntsman said:

julian987R said:

nunpuncher said:

Who the hell makes a feature out of the rain rails? There's a lot needs putting right on that.

A complete money pit, quite possibly one of the worse I have ever seen. The poster Huntsman needs help - what on earth is he thinking? he is going to get burnt if he thinks that is an "oh!" car. More like "doh!"

Oh, I see, the rain gutters have some silver on them, I hadnt spotted that, wrap I guess, I figured the silver bits on the front bumper and the Carrera logos could all be peeled off.

Go on then, why is it a money pit?

Edited by Huntsman on Monday 2nd August 08:33

In fairness the MOT history doesn't ring any alarm bells. Those aesthetics are a bit challenging admittedly but easily remedied one would hope. If it was local I would certainly take a look for myself as pics aren't always a reliable gauge for condition. I'd also look at paperwork and see if you can speak to the previous owner. Although that's not always so easy nowadays.

I don't see the problem. IMS and suspension done. Part history is disappointing and could be hiding something but it's not 100% a money pit.

[julian987R]

Huntsman said:

julian987R said:

nunpuncher said:

Who the hell makes a feature out of the rain rails? There's a lot needs putting right on that.

A complete money pit, quite possibly one of the worse I have ever seen. The poster Huntsman needs help - what on earth is he thinking? he is going to get burnt if he thinks that is an "oh!" car. More like "doh!"

Oh, I see, the rain gutters have some silver on them, I hadnt spotted that, wrap I guess, I figured the silver bits on the front bumper and the Carrera logos could all be peeled off.

Go on then, why is it a money pit?

Edited by Huntsman on Monday 2nd August 08:33

Any seller who declares 'no expense spared' yet presents the car to show such a tired looking interior and poor paint (right click zoom into images) can not be trusted. But thats me. Go for it.

[Slippydiff]

julian987R said:

Huntsman said:

I've been toying with buying a 3.4 for a long time.

We need to replace our car. My amazing wife says she likes a 996 and doesnt want a 'wky' car (I think means no dull boring stty hatchback, I'll check)

In my idea world a 996 would be 3.4, dark colour, manual, C4, sunroof.

And there it is on autotrader.

Oh.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2021070646...

"This car has been brought up to tip top condition with money no object"



I call BS.

On the basis of the vendor's idea of "brought up to tip top condition with money no object" I'd be taking a very close look at this, it might be something, it might be nothing, but if it's what I think it is, you'll be in for some paintwork or worse ...

[julian987R]

Slippydiff said:

julian987R said:

Huntsman said:

I've been toying with buying a 3.4 for a long time.

We need to replace our car. My amazing wife says she likes a 996 and doesnt want a 'wky' car (I think means no dull boring stty hatchback, I'll check)

In my idea world a 996 would be 3.4, dark colour, manual, C4, sunroof.

And there it is on autotrader.

Oh.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2021070646...

"This car has been brought up to tip top condition with money no object"



I call BS.

On the basis of the vendor's idea of "brought up to tip top condition with money no object" I'd be taking a very close look at this, it might be something, it might be nothing, but if it's what I think it is, you'll be in for some paintwork or worse ...

There are bad scratches down the driver side. The carpets are stained. There is mould in the window frames. Hardly no expense spared. If no expense was spared then at least replace the fuse box cover which looks so scratched it begs belief how it got that bad.

[ATM]

julian987R said:

Slippydiff said:

julian987R said:

Huntsman said:

I've been toying with buying a 3.4 for a long time.

We need to replace our car. My amazing wife says she likes a 996 and doesnt want a 'wky' car (I think means no dull boring stty hatchback, I'll check)

In my idea world a 996 would be 3.4, dark colour, manual, C4, sunroof.

And there it is on autotrader.

Oh.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2021070646...

"This car has been brought up to tip top condition with money no object"



I call BS.

On the basis of the vendor's idea of "brought up to tip top condition with money no object" I'd be taking a very close look at this, it might be something, it might be nothing, but if it's what I think it is, you'll be in for some paintwork or worse ...

There are bad scratches down the driver side. The carpets are stained. There is mould in the window frames. Hardly no expense spared. If no expense was spared then at least replace the fuse box cover which looks so scratched it begs belief how it got that bad.

I think you have to frame your expectations a little differently when dealing with a 14k car. No expense spared on a 50k is very different.

[miles2018]

For those seeking low mileage manual 996.1's in immaculate condition for £14k, you might be better looking at these https://www.kia.com/uk/utility/build-your-kia.carc...

[Armut Schweinefleisch-911]

miles2018 said:

For those seeking low mileage manual 996.1's in immaculate condition for £14k, you might be better looking at these https://www.kia.com/uk/utility/build-your-kia.carc...

They are out there. I just question whether this is one of them?

[deckster]

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

miles2018 said:

For those seeking low mileage manual 996.1's in immaculate condition for £14k

They are out there.

Really? "Immaculate", low mileage? As in, has had all the major jobs done and is unlikely to need anything else for a few years? I'm not sure such a thing has ever existed, not for £14k.

I always used to say that a well-sorted 996 would cost you £20k regardless of what you actually bought it for. As they get (even) older and good examples creep ever upwards in price, I don't think it will be long before you will need £25k for a decent 996.

[ATM]

deckster said:

Really? "Immaculate", low mileage? As in, has had all the major jobs done and is unlikely to need anything else for a few years? I'm not sure such a thing has ever existed, not for £14k.

I always used to say that a well-sorted 996 would cost you £20k regardless of what you actually bought it for. As they get (even) older and good examples creep ever upwards in price, I don't think it will be long before you will need £25k for a decent 996.

This

[SidewaysSi]

ATM said:

deckster said:

Really? "Immaculate", low mileage? As in, has had all the major jobs done and is unlikely to need anything else for a few years? I'm not sure such a thing has ever existed, not for £14k.

I always used to say that a well-sorted 996 would cost you £20k regardless of what you actually bought it for. As they get (even) older and good examples creep ever upwards in price, I don't think it will be long before you will need £25k for a decent 996.

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Easily and more I think. Full suspension refresh, the usual odds and sods etc.

"No expense spared" doesn't usually mean an open chequebook at a specialist to do everything to bring it up to "as new" like some would want/like to believe. Especially at the £15k ish level..

I was chatting to an Indy recently and he did say the expectations of some Porsche owners/buyers beggars belief..

[anonymous-user]

Well I've just had my insurance renewal through. 12k miles/yr, inc business, valued at double what I paid for it, £191 with esure. Same cover as my Kia, which is about £390.

Lets hear it for classic car ownership



ETA terribly formatteered photo

Edited by OpulentBob on Monday 2nd August 12:15

[Armut Schweinefleisch-911]

deckster said:

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

miles2018 said:

For those seeking low mileage manual 996.1's in immaculate condition for £14k

They are out there.

Really? "Immaculate", low mileage? As in, has had all the major jobs done and is unlikely to need anything else for a few years? I'm not sure such a thing has ever existed, not for £14k.

I always used to say that a well-sorted 996 would cost you £20k regardless of what you actually bought it for. As they get (even) older and good examples creep ever upwards in price, I don't think it will be long before you will need £25k for a decent 996.

No, I should have been clearer. I think there are decent, very nice and well maintained cars available at that price point. Personally I'm not bothered about mileage and would be more concerned with condition. I've seen plenty of cars that have suffered from not being used. These are old cars now and any old car purchase is a gamble to some extent so we need to be realistic about any potential for expenditure. I'd always suggest a pre-purchase inspection anyway, no matter what the sticker price on the screen.

996.2, non sunroof, manual, extended leather etc and considerably less than £14K and whilst not perfect there's certainly nothing needing immediate attention. That said, it's a higher mileage but with a warranty replaced 3.6 in '04. It wears the miles well though and has had annual services for all of its life.

Edited by Armut Schweinefleisch-911 on Monday 2nd August 12:41

Edited by Armut Schweinefleisch-911 on Monday 2nd August 12:45

[Huntsman]

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

deckster said:

Armut Schweinefleisch-911 said:

miles2018 said:

For those seeking low mileage manual 996.1's in immaculate condition for £14k

They are out there.

Really? "Immaculate", low mileage? As in, has had all the major jobs done and is unlikely to need anything else for a few years? I'm not sure such a thing has ever existed, not for £14k.

I always used to say that a well-sorted 996 would cost you £20k regardless of what you actually bought it for. As they get (even) older and good examples creep ever upwards in price, I don't think it will be long before you will need £25k for a decent 996.

No, I should have been clearer. I think there are decent, very nice and well maintained cars available at that price point. Personally I'm not bothered about mileage and would be more concerned with condition. I've seen plenty of cars that have suffered from not being used. These are old cars now and any old car purchase is a gamble to some extent so we need to be realistic about any potential for expenditure. I'd always suggest a pre-purchase inspection anyway, no matter what the sticker price on the screen.

996.2, non sunroof, manual, extended leather etc and considerably less than £14K and whilst not perfect there's certainly nothing needing immediate attention. That said, it's a higher mileage but with a warranty replaced 3.6 in '04. It wears the miles well though and has had annual services for all of its life.

Edited by Armut Schweinefleisch-911 on Monday 2nd August 12:41

Edited by Armut Schweinefleisch-911 on Monday 2nd August 12:45

For the record, I never said I expected a £14k C4 to be immaculate, afterall its 15.5% of the price of a new C4 (I just checked, the C4 coupe starts at £90,450 inc vat).

I've run plenty of older cars and I know how it goes.

[jonny996]

Don’t pay to much attention to what some random on a chat forum says, like all forums if you hang about long enough you get to know who’s opinion is worth paying attention to or not.
In a less dramatic style I would agree that your going to need more than £14K to get a decent C4 but as you say if you’re happy to run one while bringing it up to a good state over time then it can be done

[ATM]

Another one for 14k

C4
New breaks
BC coil overs

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274868241661

[Huntsman]

jonny996 said:

Don’t pay to much attention to what some random on a chat forum says, like all forums if you hang about long enough you get to know who’s opinion is worth paying attention to or not.
In a less dramatic style I would agree that your going to need more than £14K to get a decent C4 but as you say if you’re happy to run one while bringing it up to a good state over time then it can be done

That is exactly where I'm at.

A 3.4 coupe. Manual. Pref C4. Would consider a C2. Must be dark leather, ie black or blue. No beige/brown/tan/savanna/grey or red.

Edited by Huntsman on Monday 2nd August 20:03

[Huntsman]

ATM said:

Another one for 14k

C4
New breaks
BC coil overs

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274868241661

Breaks...smh...

Grey leather a no no for me.

[julian987R]

My point was/is that if the seller declares no expense spared and lets face it its not immaculate then there is obviously a divergence in their opinion to mine. And thats fine. Just a watch out as if that is 'no expense spared' then what is the truth.

There are clues, the amount of wear on items that would be pennies (in comparison) to correct, suggests to me it is not quite what it is purported to be, thats all.

Edited by julian987R on Monday 2nd August 20:28

[MrC986]

It seems that many people struggle with the concept of describing a used car accurately (dealers included). I’ve just helped a friend by an 01 Boxster S & the wording of ads was incredibly bad for most. However checking this online MOT history is a great guide as to how well a car has been maintained. If anyone is looking for an early 996, I suggest they get over to something like the 911uk forum & put up a wanted post - it won’t necessarily eliminate the ability to find a bad car, though it will hopefully reduce the chances & some contributors will say they are selling before listing it on PH & other sales platforms.