991.2 GT3 RS - Here it is
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If you know anything to the contrary, would you mind sharing it with the rest of us less informed hopefuls..BMW has release an official statement(as you know full well), where a new engine which gives out a healthy 382HP in the ROW, however its only 335HP i Europe as a direct result of having the GPF fitted...13% reduction..Edited by Taffy66 on Tuesday 5th June 18:10
Taffy66 said:
If you know anything to the contrary, would you mind sharing it with the rest of us less informed hopefuls..BMW has release an official statement(as you know full well), where a new egine which gives out a healthy 382HP in the ROW, however its only 335HP i Europe as a direct result of having the GPF fitted...13% reduction..
Wow! Do you have a link?Taffy66 said:
Cheers! That may well explain why there will be no more Euro GT3s...Taffy66 said:
A dealer in Europe has said to his customer today that Porsche will not be fitting the GPF to the GT3 or RS..He also said that there will be no more GT3s or RSs for Europe after the first batch which has already been delivered..
Porsche will continue to build both the GT3 and RS for the rest of the world, especially US but no more for Europe(including UK). .If true its disappointing as i was looking forward to a new RS early next year..The OPCs in the UK are not aware of this, but neither have they had any firm allocations so its not looking good..
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.Porsche will continue to build both the GT3 and RS for the rest of the world, especially US but no more for Europe(including UK). .If true its disappointing as i was looking forward to a new RS early next year..The OPCs in the UK are not aware of this, but neither have they had any firm allocations so its not looking good..
dvshannow said:
This RS will be the highwatermark of dominance of porsche road cars over the last 15 years imo
DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted.Im just guessing based on specs would be interesting to hear the opinion here of someone who has owned both
I suppose until the dealers in the UK hear for certain (or suddenly get an allocation), then nobody really knows anything. If it’s the case that the PF dents the performance that much, that might well kill them off, who knows? Can’t see them releasing Gen2 cars that are down on power on the Gen1 or the cooking gt3.
It’s all speculation in the end but for me, the biggest elephant in the room was the really hasty kick and rush to get a few RS to each dealer in the UK. Allocated in Feb, spec within a couple of weeks and delivered from late April to late May. Why? Dealers were saying they’ve never seen anything like it.
OK so the euro stop sale was coming for the more general emissions thing anyway, but why not wait a few months and just start supplying RS to the UK market from September? Nobody would have batted an eyelid at a February allocation and a September build, would they?
Also, it does not exactly appear to have been a very ordered process with a mature supply chain behind it, so the capacity wasn’t fully there. No weissach pack, no ducts for the naca vents on some cars, no user manuals (on back order) random on-off delivery delays for “additional quality checks” i.e. missing parts! All smacks of being a bit caught out imho.
I do hope that more cars come, but it doesn’t really add up so far imho, so who knows!
It’s all speculation in the end but for me, the biggest elephant in the room was the really hasty kick and rush to get a few RS to each dealer in the UK. Allocated in Feb, spec within a couple of weeks and delivered from late April to late May. Why? Dealers were saying they’ve never seen anything like it.
OK so the euro stop sale was coming for the more general emissions thing anyway, but why not wait a few months and just start supplying RS to the UK market from September? Nobody would have batted an eyelid at a February allocation and a September build, would they?
Also, it does not exactly appear to have been a very ordered process with a mature supply chain behind it, so the capacity wasn’t fully there. No weissach pack, no ducts for the naca vents on some cars, no user manuals (on back order) random on-off delivery delays for “additional quality checks” i.e. missing parts! All smacks of being a bit caught out imho.
I do hope that more cars come, but it doesn’t really add up so far imho, so who knows!
DT398 said:
I suppose until the dealers in the UK hear for certain (or suddenly get an allocation), then nobody really knows anything. If it’s the case that the PF dents the performance that much, that might well kill them off, who knows? Can’t see them releasing Gen2 cars that are down on power on the Gen1 or the cooking gt3.
It’s all speculation in the end but for me, the biggest elephant in the room was the really hasty kick and rush to get a few RS to each dealer in the UK. Allocated in Feb, spec within a couple of weeks and delivered from late April to late May. Why? Dealers were saying they’ve never seen anything like it.
OK so the euro stop sale was coming for the more general emissions thing anyway, but why not wait a few months and just start supplying RS to the UK market from September? Nobody would have batted an eyelid at a February allocation and a September build, would they?
Also, it does not exactly appear to have been a very ordered process with a mature supply chain behind it, so the capacity wasn’t fully there. No weissach pack, no ducts for the naca vents on some cars, no user manuals (on back order) random on-off delivery delays for “additional quality checks” i.e. missing parts! All smacks of being a bit caught out imho.
I do hope that more cars come, but it doesn’t really add up so far imho, so who knows!
It does all sound a bit mysterious, seems to be the only model on the configurator to mention undergoing a spec change.It’s all speculation in the end but for me, the biggest elephant in the room was the really hasty kick and rush to get a few RS to each dealer in the UK. Allocated in Feb, spec within a couple of weeks and delivered from late April to late May. Why? Dealers were saying they’ve never seen anything like it.
OK so the euro stop sale was coming for the more general emissions thing anyway, but why not wait a few months and just start supplying RS to the UK market from September? Nobody would have batted an eyelid at a February allocation and a September build, would they?
Also, it does not exactly appear to have been a very ordered process with a mature supply chain behind it, so the capacity wasn’t fully there. No weissach pack, no ducts for the naca vents on some cars, no user manuals (on back order) random on-off delivery delays for “additional quality checks” i.e. missing parts! All smacks of being a bit caught out imho.
I do hope that more cars come, but it doesn’t really add up so far imho, so who knows!
I find it a little hard to believe OPCs would have already taken official orders with deposits, if they hadn't been assured they were getting the cars, but I guess you never know.
dvshannow said:
This RS will be the highwatermark of dominance of porsche
road cars over the last 15 years imo
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DT398 said:
It’s all speculation in the end but for me, the biggest elephant in the room was the really hasty kick and rush to get a few RS to each dealer in the UK. Allocated in Feb, spec within a couple of weeks and delivered from late April to late May. Why? Dealers were saying they’ve never seen anything like it.
OK so the euro stop sale was coming for the more general emissions thing anyway, but why not wait a few months and just start supplying RS to the UK market from September? Nobody would have batted an eyelid at a February allocation and a September build, would they?
Also, it does not exactly appear to have been a very ordered process with a mature supply chain behind it, so the capacity wasn’t fully there. No weissach pack, no ducts for the naca vents on some cars, no user manuals (on back order) random on-off delivery delays for “additional quality checks” i.e. missing parts! All smacks of being a bit caught out imho.
I do hope that more cars come, but it doesn’t really add up so far imho, so who knows!
That is indeed the elephant in the room...Porsche were clearly caught napping by something to do with this new emissions regs that are coming in. Maybe it’s the limit of 1000 cars per year and they needed to hurry the first batch through so that they could product a 1000 this year and a 1000 next year.OK so the euro stop sale was coming for the more general emissions thing anyway, but why not wait a few months and just start supplying RS to the UK market from September? Nobody would have batted an eyelid at a February allocation and a September build, would they?
Also, it does not exactly appear to have been a very ordered process with a mature supply chain behind it, so the capacity wasn’t fully there. No weissach pack, no ducts for the naca vents on some cars, no user manuals (on back order) random on-off delivery delays for “additional quality checks” i.e. missing parts! All smacks of being a bit caught out imho.
I do hope that more cars come, but it doesn’t really add up so far imho, so who knows!
Thing is it’s happened on other models too Panamera and Macan diesels both withdrawn from sale at short notice and Cayenne diesel production halted for six months, I know that’s all Diesel related but it’s indicative of there being issues at Porsche with dealing with these issues.
Still I very much hope there will be a second batch so that if I ever do want to buy one they might be at a more sensible price!
DT398 said:
It’s all speculation in the end but for me, the biggest elephant in the room was the really hasty kick and rush to get a few RS to each dealer in the UK. Allocated in Feb, spec within a couple of weeks and delivered from late April to late May. Why? Dealers were saying they’ve never seen anything like it.
OK so the euro stop sale was coming for the more general emissions thing anyway, but why not wait a few months and just start supplying RS to the UK market from September? Nobody would have batted an eyelid at a February allocation and a September build, would they?
Also, it does not exactly appear to have been a very ordered process with a mature supply chain behind it, so the capacity wasn’t fully there. No weissach pack, no ducts for the naca vents on some cars, no user manuals (on back order) random on-off delivery delays for “additional quality checks” i.e. missing parts! All smacks of being a bit caught out imho.
I do hope that more cars come, but it doesn’t really add up so far imho, so who knows!
That is indeed the elephant in the room...Porsche were clearly caught napping by something to do with this new emissions regs that are coming in. Maybe it’s the limit of 1000 cars per year and they needed to hurry the first batch through so that they could product a 1000 this year and a 1000 next year.OK so the euro stop sale was coming for the more general emissions thing anyway, but why not wait a few months and just start supplying RS to the UK market from September? Nobody would have batted an eyelid at a February allocation and a September build, would they?
Also, it does not exactly appear to have been a very ordered process with a mature supply chain behind it, so the capacity wasn’t fully there. No weissach pack, no ducts for the naca vents on some cars, no user manuals (on back order) random on-off delivery delays for “additional quality checks” i.e. missing parts! All smacks of being a bit caught out imho.
I do hope that more cars come, but it doesn’t really add up so far imho, so who knows!
Thing is it’s happened on other models too Panamera and Macan diesels both withdrawn from sale at short notice and Cayenne diesel production halted for six months, I know that’s all Diesel related but it’s indicative of there being issues at Porsche with dealing with these issues.
Still I very much hope there will be a second batch so that if I ever do want to buy one they might be at a more sensible price!
terryb said:
I can tell you from personal experience that taking it up to 9k rpm it is as epic as ever has been in an RS - especially with added Sharkwerks
I can't bear this suspense..! How does it compare to the 991.2GT3 you had in terms of dynamics, poke etc..Edited by terryb on Tuesday 5th June 22:31
Taffy66 said:
I can't bear this suspense..! How does it compare to the 991.2GT3 you had in terms of dynamics, poke etc..
It's all about the dynmamics - the RS has much more feel, harshness, noise, vibrations, stiffness, directness (is that a word, lol) - just about what you would expect from a car with double spring rates up front and 50% more at the rear and rose jointed suspension. It feels more like my old Manthey Racing K400 996 GT3 than any other 991 model ever has - and I'd also add the 997.2 RS into that bunch too - this is more hardcore and that's the way I like it
Pity they won't be making a 2nd batch in Europe eh??
terryb said:
It's all about the dynmamics - the RS has much more feel, harshness, noise, vibrations, stiffness, directness (is that a word, lol) - just about what you would expect from a car with double spring rates up front and 50% more at the rear and rose jointed suspension. It feels more like my old Manthey Racing K400 996 GT3 than any other 991 model ever has - and I'd also add the 997.2 RS into that bunch too - this is more hardcore and that's the way I like it
Pity they won't be making a 2nd batch in Europe eh??
..! On that note however, being the eternal optimist
i still hold out some hope that Porsche will overcome this minor inconvenience and deliver to me my WP RS early next year..In the mean time, to avoid the risk of me losing my sanity, could you please stop posting pictures of your admittedly gorgeous RS.
PS The last bit was a joke !
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