991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..
Discussion
RSVP911 said:
Sorry to mention this but ..... If buying now it’s an absolute no brainier as 991.2 prices will fall gently over time where as 997.2 RS prices would fall less , if at all - so on an ownership proposition one is far better value than the other - apologies for mentioning values, but it is relevant if comparing one with the other in the round 
I also hate to bring up, you have never really driven the 997.2rs lol, it’s 8 years old and only has 1.7k miles on it, so is it just more special because you don’t drive it.I fear If I did the swap the same would happen and I would have a £200k trinket In the garage.
I also know the car would frustrate me when I did get out in it.
As always the most fun cars are the ones you actually drive. Not the one you dream of driving in perfect conditions :-)
GT4 has gone , 991 RS has gone, 981 Spyder has gone, and you use the 991.2 GT3 so really it has to be youfav car by a mile.
ras62 said:
I fail to see how the 991.2 engine has an extra 100 ft/lbs of torque at 4.5k when the new car has a max 460Nm (339ft/lbs) against the 997 max 430Nm (317 ft/lbs)? Interesting that the 997 4.0RS matches the numbers of the newer car. So much for progress.
Drive them Back to back and you would know. The old engine is not really a good engine for the road esp. Matched to its gearing. Imo :-) The new engine just works on the road all of the time and then feels like a turbo has kicked in at 6k. The cars so usable as a fun normal car, then rips older GT3 apart on track lol
Torque wins races :-)
Porsche911R said:
ras62 said:
I fail to see how the 991.2 engine has an extra 100 ft/lbs of torque at 4.5k when the new car has a max 460Nm (339ft/lbs) against the 997 max 430Nm (317 ft/lbs)? Interesting that the 997 4.0RS matches the numbers of the newer car. So much for progress.
Drive them Back to back and you would know. The old engine is not really a good engine for the road esp. Matched to its gearing. Imo :-) The new engine just works on the road all of the time and then feels like a turbo has kicked in at 6k. The cars so usable as a fun normal car, then rips older GT3 apart on track lol
Torque wins races :-)
Still compared to the 4.0 mezger RS where is the progress ? It certainly isn't apparent in the numbers.
ras62 said:
I fail to see how the 991.2 engine has an extra 100 ft/lbs of torque at 4.5k when the new car has a max 460Nm (339ft/lbs) against the 997 max 430Nm (317 ft/lbs)? Interesting that the 997 4.0RS matches the numbers of the newer car. So much for progress.
To be fair, the progress is there in the new engine, primarily in the higher rev limit. The ability to rev that 500rpm more does give the new car more power under the curve and surprisingly does help the acceleration of the car more than one might think vs the old once you count in gear ratios. In all other respects the old mezger is at least as competitive.
FWIW - I had a few roll-on races with a mate in his 7.2RS (only 2nd/3rd gear stuff on a private road) and there was virtually nothing in it. From a standing start, and through the gears the 991.2 would win comfortably - but that's mostly down to gearbox. Progress has been made in the 991 by technology, not raw power. Also, don't underestimate how strong the Mezger unit pulls
Phooey said:
FWIW - I had a few roll-on races with a mate in his 7.2RS (only 2nd/3rd gear stuff on a private road) and there was virtually nothing in it. From a standing start, and through the gears the 991.2 would win comfortably - but that's mostly down to gearbox. Progress has been made in the 991 by technology, not raw power. Also, don't underestimate how strong the Mezger unit pulls
& what a lovely sound that M engine makes - nothing quite like it Steve Rance said:
PJI said:
Yes I have in the same way that I did in my 996 and 997 GT3's. DN18 and the car was mega. Having had 4 manual GT3's prior to the 991.2 I went PDK and have absolutely no regrets.
Off on a euro tour next week so after that the car will probably be worthless
Glad that you are using as intended. Can I ask what was your main criteria when you Spencer the car?Off on a euro tour next week so after that the car will probably be worthless
The spec was based on what I wanted from the car. Having had 4 manual GT3's I decided to go PDK. Partly because the car was built for PDK and I wanted a change. The box is mega especially on track. Do I miss a manual box - yes! Would I spec a manual box today - no!
I also specced LWB and Clubsport because I knew I would track the car. That said right now i'm about to do a 2000 mile euro trip and folding buckets would have been much more convenient. You can only just slide a helmet in to the rear. It was easy in a 997.
Front axle lift was also specced because I wouldn't get up the drive without it.
PCCB were specced because I hate brake dust!
There were a few other choice options but the spec I went for was what I believed would be the best compromise, all things considered, for me.
Paul
Porsche911R said:
Big claims in Octanes manual GT3 review this month.
"The engine and transmission combination is a master piece"
"This is an immersive, engaging car that betters even the 911 R, yes the manual GT3 is really that good"
Don't think the engine claim is that controversial is it ? I remember Chris Harris and Jethro Bovingdon saying the same thing when doing those early vids at Anglesey, The bigger/harder call is which car is better dynamically ?! All comes down to how you get your kicks and how you use it! Some people will like the R's more playful chassis....others will prefer the 991.2 because of the engine! "The engine and transmission combination is a master piece"
"This is an immersive, engaging car that betters even the 911 R, yes the manual GT3 is really that good"
PJI said:
Steve Rance said:
Can I ask how many gen 2 owners have tracked their cars?
Yes I have in the same way that I did in my 996 and 997 GT3's. DN18 and the car was mega. Having had 4 manual GT3's prior to the 991.2 I went PDK and have absolutely no regrets.Off on a euro tour next week so after that the car will probably be worthless
Having tried a 991.1 GT3, I think I can sort of get your drift WRT 'the' choice being PDK.
Cheib said:
Porsche911R said:
Big claims in Octanes manual GT3 review this month.
"The engine and transmission combination is a master piece"
"This is an immersive, engaging car that betters even the 911 R, yes the manual GT3 is really that good"
Don't think the engine claim is that controversial is it ? "The engine and transmission combination is a master piece"
"This is an immersive, engaging car that betters even the 911 R, yes the manual GT3 is really that good"
but every single review says they would pick the manual !
I leave it at that.
Porsche911R said:
you only have to read the above post to see every single person on PH says "the car was built for PDK"
but every single review says they would pick the manual !
No they don't:but every single review says they would pick the manual !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4edOlOLybqQ
Steve Rance said:
Can I ask how many gen 2 owners have tracked their cars?
Oct 17 car. Now has 4.5k miles including 2 Oulton days and one at Anglesey. Next up is Donnington in July. However, I took something a little different to the wide open spaces of Silverstone earlier in the month.
lowndes said:
Oct 17 car. Now has 4.5k miles including 2 Oulton days and one at Anglesey. Next up is Donnington in July. However, I took something a little different to the wide open spaces of Silverstone earlier in the month.
Good man 
How did you find it? I took mine there last month but the weather was abysmal in the morning and I only got some dry if slightly slippy running late on....
Twinfan said:
lol you are having a laugh right ?isaldiri said:
Good man
How did you find it? I took mine there last month but the weather was abysmal in the morning and I only got some dry if slightly slippy running late on....
This was my first time on the current configuration of the GP circuit so I was naturally somewhat cautious. Conditions were good; dry (and warm for Silverstone How did you find it? I took mine there last month but the weather was abysmal in the morning and I only got some dry if slightly slippy running late on....
). Car felt beautifully balanced and capable throughout. At my modest pace, 3rd was fine for the slow corners then mainly 4th with 5th on Hanger and Wellington. Brakes were phenomenally reassuring. Other than me, the main limitation I found was that once hot the MPSS could understeer a little in the slow corners but as you know there is plenty of room and nothing a better line in might not resolve. I also made an early mental note of the marks on the pitwall at Woodcote. Now I have had an initial look I would certainly take the CGT back to Silverstone though I didn’t buy it as a track day car per se.And the other comment is that though I was aware of the engine note I was a bit too busy to appreciate it. Probably sounded better outside.
Porsche911R said:
lol you are having a laugh right ?
Just countering your "everybody wants a manual" argument. Old journos are mourning the loss of a stick, as do I, but they're by far the minority.Pretty sure the GT3 manual option was a late addition, as the order process seemed to back up, so to say the car was designed around PDK is most likely correct.
Edited by Twinfan on Wednesday 27th June 18:07
Can we please stop this Manual v PDK rubbish.
90% of the contributors will never be able to buy the car, but all want one with club spec. The people who actually buy them and intend keeping them buy what they want. This is predominantly PDK comfort.
Nothing wrong with club, buckets cage etc, if that is what you like, but don’t make out it is the only way to go. Remember, pay you money, take your choice.
90% of the contributors will never be able to buy the car, but all want one with club spec. The people who actually buy them and intend keeping them buy what they want. This is predominantly PDK comfort.
Nothing wrong with club, buckets cage etc, if that is what you like, but don’t make out it is the only way to go. Remember, pay you money, take your choice.
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