991.2 GT3 - Colours. Spec. Q+A. etc etc..
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
nothing there is a as good as a manual 991.2 GT3 though, most are auto's and the only manual will fall apart, ok it might not but the exhaust will fall off and most of the front end will wear out in 3 seconds.
Be interesting to know what 2 Porkers you had on your drive and what 2 you had on order !!! because paying £35k overs would have been cheaper !
Cars on the driveway were a 911 Carrera S and Macan S, both were bought to be driven, not to get a GT3 slot, cars on order Cayenne to replace the Macan and a Mission E to replace my daily.Be interesting to know what 2 Porkers you had on your drive and what 2 you had on order !!! because paying £35k overs would have been cheaper !
I want to experience a bit of everything, I'm currently driving a Golf R daily and a Vanquish. While I agree a manual GT3 would be a better all-round drivers car than each of those I've mentioned, and dozens of others I didn't, I want to try a bit of everything.
I've never driven a clacky gated shifter Ferrari, who doesn't want to try a Ferrari V12, I've tested the Superleggera, it's hilarious theatre and I'd love to take it on a rally, and I'd love to drive down through France into Italy in a convertible V8 Ferrari.
I would consider paying overs for a build slot but only if it was an auction for a slot that was not denying someone who'd played the game, I have no confidence in Porsche not to screw someone else for my extra money so I won't do it.
I'd never pay overs for a flipped car, I'm not interested in lining someone else's pocket and perpetuating a broken system.
browngt3 said:
I wouldnt place Ferrari any higher in the moral pecking order and you mention 3 in your bucket list. Don't you have to be a chosen one to get a new limited edition Ferrari? Same as Porsche then.
Lamborghini belong to the same corporate empire as Porsche so wasted effort there. So that leaves McLaren and they are just dull
Also the depreciation and running costs of those you mention will pay for any overs on a GT3
Many companies require owners to buy their normal stock to get in line for a special car, that's okay, what's not okay is having that rule applied to some customers but not others. If I was treated similarly by another manufacturer I would respond similarly. You don't have to put up with poor treatment by manufacturers.Lamborghini belong to the same corporate empire as Porsche so wasted effort there. So that leaves McLaren and they are just dull
Also the depreciation and running costs of those you mention will pay for any overs on a GT3
Lamborghini may be part of VW group but I'm unaware of anyone being screwed out of a Performante slot, also the car I'd be buying would likely be from a specialist like VVS.
PantsFire said:
I would consider paying overs for a build slot but only if it was an auction for a slot that was not denying someone who'd played the game, I have no confidence in Porsche not to screw someone else for my extra money so I won't do it.
I'd never pay overs for a flipped car, I'm not interested in lining someone else's pocket and perpetuating a broken system.
I'm afraid if you did pay for a build slot then you would be contributing to the current situation.I'd never pay overs for a flipped car, I'm not interested in lining someone else's pocket and perpetuating a broken system.
Twinfan said:
I'm afraid if you did pay for a build slot then you would be contributing to the current situation.
I think the bits you didn't bold explain my logic; I'd consider paying overs, but only if I weren't taking a slot from someone else. Not ideal, but at least I'd not be screwing someone over.In an ideal world Porsche would control the waiting lists for GT cars, you could put your name down and you'd know you'll eventually get a car, if the slots for the current generation run out you role over onto the next, if people flip their car then so be it but you'd still have yours and eventually it'd come up, Porsche could also ban flippers from the lists in future.
True Story: I bought a flipped 991.2 GT3 CS from a English OPC and I took it to my local Aberdeen OPC the day after I got it to get the PCC set up and they said that they spotted it on a transporter the day before and asked why I didn't buy it from them. I tried!
Flippers are good as they allowed me to avoid buying several high deprecation non GT products and on balance I am probably better off as a result. The owner of my car got a new RS.
Flippers are good as they allowed me to avoid buying several high deprecation non GT products and on balance I am probably better off as a result. The owner of my car got a new RS.
Twinfan said:
But paying overs for a slot perpetuates the problem - someone somewhere is making money by you paying over list price for the car.
I think I've been fairly clear, I don't like the system so I'm not participating, if the system was less s
t I'd consider it, but it's not and Porsche won't fix it so I won't buy any more of their cars. You're looking for perfection in an imperfect world, good luck with that.nigelonich said:
True Story: I bought a flipped 991.2 GT3 CS from a English OPC and I took it to my local Aberdeen OPC the day after I got it to get the PCC set up and they said that they spotted it on a transporter the day before and asked why I didn't buy it from them. I tried!
Flippers are good as they allowed me to avoid buying several high deprecation non GT products and on balance I am probably better off as a result. The owner of my car got a new RS.
Congrats on the car.Flippers are good as they allowed me to avoid buying several high deprecation non GT products and on balance I am probably better off as a result. The owner of my car got a new RS.
Seems a lot of GT3 owners got GT3RS allocations too, allowing the dealership to flip the low mileage GT3 for a big profit, stay classy Porsche.
Edited by PantsFire on Thursday 5th July 14:50
PantsFire said:
Congrats on the car.
Seems a lot of GT3 owners got GT3RS allocations too, allowing the dealership to flip the low mileage GT3 for a big profit, stay classy Porsche.
Thanks. I think if my car is an October 17 UK car this must have been a very early one and that would suggest the same guy gets a very early RS too. Any money he has made must be in the new RS now so the only way to make physical cash is to exit the car I guess at which point your #relationshipcustomer status is at risk which is not a problem for me At all stages the OPC makes a sale fee which is exactly what they are there to do.Seems a lot of GT3 owners got GT3RS allocations too, allowing the dealership to flip the low mileage GT3 for a big profit, stay classy Porsche.
Edited by PantsFire on Thursday 5th July 14:50
Ownership costs of my last three GT3's have been low and pleasure levels have been high with all being bought used so I am hoping for the same on this one now too.
wonderful new Carfection video from Henry C about the latest GT3 with a manual box - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0d_AZbSLwQ
seawise said:
wonderful new Carfection video from Henry C about the latest GT3 with a manual box - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0d_AZbSLwQ
yep backs up every little detail I have said about the car to a tee, and hence why I said in one of my pasts posts, it's just one of todays or even one of their best ever cars. I bought my car to flip.... wait for it, not for money but to flip for a 997.2 RS, a dream of mine, once I drove the car I did not want the 997.2 RS one bit, that car just would be a toy and not work for me like the new one. Yes it might offer a better drivers car but only in that 10% of rare drives where you get the right road and gel 100%, yes if I were rich I would have one of course, but swap my current car in my own spec for a used one and have to pay more money, not a chance.The nayslayers on the others threads have no idea they really don't, saying mix matched tech, etc etc .
The car really works with the manual, the steering is as good as Henry says, the engine makes the old unit, well feel old....
The chassis again Henry gets the car review perfect in every area.
The king is dead so that say, long live the king. It's like I wrote the review and hence why a few of my cars are up for sale.
I loved my Cayman R, not loved much since hence buying a 2nd Cayman R !!! the 991.2 Manual GT3 is a master piece of a car imo.
Henry C got is spot on.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 5th July 19:13
Porsche911R said:
seawise said:
wonderful new Carfection video from Henry C about the latest GT3 with a manual box - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0d_AZbSLwQ
yep backs up every little detail I have said about the car to a tee, and hence why I said in one of my pasts posts, it's just one of todays or even one of their best ever cars. I bought my car to flip.... wait for it, not for money but to flip for a 997.2 RS, a dream of mine, once I drove the car I did not want the 997.2 RS one bit, that car just would be a toy and not work for me like the new one. Yes it might offer a better drivers car but only in that 10% of rare drives where you get the right road and gel 100%, yes if I were rich I would have one of course, but swap my current car in my own spec for a used one and have to pay more money, not a chance.The nayslayers on the others threads have no idea they really don't, saying mix matched tech, etc etc .
The car really works with the manual, the steering is as good as Henry says, the engine makes the old unit, well feel old....
The chassis again Henry gets the car review perfect in every area.
The king is dead so that say, long live the king. It's like I wrote the review and hence why a few of my cars are up for sale.
I loved my Cayman R, not loved much since hence buying a 2nd Cayman R !!! the 991.2 Manual GT3 is a master piece of a car imo.
Henry C got is spot on.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 5th July 19:13
As you know I too have agonised over the RS. Should I or shouldn't I get one. Then I go for a drive or watch another video from HC and I say to myself, how can I part with this? It's a masterpiece. And you're quite right, it's also a car specced just how you like it from new. The RS is 8 years old and someone else's spec. And you can't be sure how it's been driven or abused.
Interesting that HC would take the standard 'manuel' over even the new RS. That's praise indeed.
I feel very lucky and privileged to actually own one of these and have even less sympathy for those flippers. I mean what have they replaced it with? More meaningless electronic zeros on the bank balance I guess. That's something to look back on when you're reminiscing in your rocking chair in the old people's home when driving is a distant memory!!
Totally agree too! My manual car is epic, a masterpiece to keep for many years! No car could replace my long awaited GT3 for me and a perfect companion to my very cherished manual F355. I’m one very happy pistonhead! For all the keepers and not flippers, very much enjoy your GT3’s....
browngt3 said:
Totally agree!
As you know I too have agonised over the RS. Should I or shouldn't I get one. Then I go for a drive or watch another video from HC and I say to myself, how can I part with this? It's a masterpiece. And you're quite right, it's also a car specced just how you like it from new. The RS is 8 years old and someone else's spec. And you can't be sure how it's been driven or abused.
Interesting that HC would take the standard 'manuel' over even the new RS. That's praise indeed.
I feel very lucky and privileged to actually own one of these and have even less sympathy for those flippers. I mean what have they replaced it with? More meaningless electronic zeros on the bank balance I guess. That's something to look back on when you're reminiscing in your rocking chair in the old people's home when driving is a distant memory!!
As you know I too have agonised over the RS. Should I or shouldn't I get one. Then I go for a drive or watch another video from HC and I say to myself, how can I part with this? It's a masterpiece. And you're quite right, it's also a car specced just how you like it from new. The RS is 8 years old and someone else's spec. And you can't be sure how it's been driven or abused.
Interesting that HC would take the standard 'manuel' over even the new RS. That's praise indeed.
I feel very lucky and privileged to actually own one of these and have even less sympathy for those flippers. I mean what have they replaced it with? More meaningless electronic zeros on the bank balance I guess. That's something to look back on when you're reminiscing in your rocking chair in the old people's home when driving is a distant memory!!
I just wonder who you were aiming at with this post 
Porsche911R said:
997.2 RS, a dream of mine, once I drove the car I did not want the 997.2 RS one bit, that car just would be a toy and not work for me like the new one. Yes it might offer a better drivers car but only in that 10% of rare drives where you get the right road and gel 100%, yes if I were rich I would have one of course, but swap my current car in my own spec for a used one and have to pay more money, not a chance.
I had a 3.8 997 RS from new back in 2011 for a couple of years, and sold it to go back into 996 RS as I missed the rawer experience. Much as I really really enjoyed the many miles, European road trips and track days in the 3.8 RS, I honestly don't think I'd be remotely interested in swapping my current 991.2 GT3 back into a 997.2 RS. The newer car in superior in every discernible metric, in my opinion. And that engine, oh my word !Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 5th July 19:13
seawise said:
wonderful new Carfection video from Henry C about the latest GT3 with a manual box - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0d_AZbSLwQ
Good film I agree. I went for PDK as I why would anyone want the slow one :-)?Edited by nigelonich on Friday 6th July 08:42
seawise said:
Porsche911R said:
997.2 RS, a dream of mine, once I drove the car I did not want the 997.2 RS one bit, that car just would be a toy and not work for me like the new one. Yes it might offer a better drivers car but only in that 10% of rare drives where you get the right road and gel 100%, yes if I were rich I would have one of course, but swap my current car in my own spec for a used one and have to pay more money, not a chance.
I had a 3.8 997 RS from new back in 2011 for a couple of years, and sold it to go back into 996 RS as I missed the rawer experience. Much as I really really enjoyed the many miles, European road trips and track days in the 3.8 RS, I honestly don't think I'd be remotely interested in swapping my current 991.2 GT3 back into a 997.2 RS. The newer car in superior in every discernible metric, in my opinion. And that engine, oh my word !Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 5th July 19:13
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