what is an 'early' 3.4 996?
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stretcher said:
I looked at the Blue car several months ago. I decided against it for several reasons, the main one being that i thought i liked Lapis but decided i wanted a Black car instead. I have been stalking the 3.4 market several times a day for the past year..Anal right. i have come to the conclusion that the market for the early manual C2 cars is very strong and on the rise.
I have looked at around 6 cars and all sold relatively quickly. Silver and C4 cars..... there's lot's on the market and they seem to be the one's hanging around for a while. That will probably change as the supply for the 3.4 C2 manual cars is drying up as most owners can see the rise on the way. I managed to buy a Black car albeit with the compromise of a sunroof. Most of these early cars are a bit tatty and i decided to buy at the low end of the market as they will all need paint, suspension refresh, including the Blue car being discussed. The Blue car has lot's going for it if you are prepared to spend 10-12k on it to make it top notch. The engine threw a rod and has not had a full re-build. I spoke with Baz at Hartech after viewing the car.
Happy to discuss the car via PM if anyone is considering purchasing.
Dave
So as someone who spent an unhealthy amount of time stalking the market where do you think I should price my 2000 manual C4 on 83k miles?I have looked at around 6 cars and all sold relatively quickly. Silver and C4 cars..... there's lot's on the market and they seem to be the one's hanging around for a while. That will probably change as the supply for the 3.4 C2 manual cars is drying up as most owners can see the rise on the way. I managed to buy a Black car albeit with the compromise of a sunroof. Most of these early cars are a bit tatty and i decided to buy at the low end of the market as they will all need paint, suspension refresh, including the Blue car being discussed. The Blue car has lot's going for it if you are prepared to spend 10-12k on it to make it top notch. The engine threw a rod and has not had a full re-build. I spoke with Baz at Hartech after viewing the car.
Happy to discuss the car via PM if anyone is considering purchasing.
Dave
Suspension fully refreshed, brakes rebuilt, new clutch, brake lines done, power steering hard lines done, water pump, low temp thermostat, Dansk exhaust and a whole load of other stuff all done in the last few years. Big folder of receipts but the last owner of 10 years before me (mechanic with his own garage) wasn't the best with paper work. It's also been improved/ruined with 997 seats with houndstooth inserts, ducktail, Boxster centre console but all original bits still available.
Edited by nunpuncher on Thursday 21st July 16:59
Did i see this at the Fairmile last evening. ? Mmm, tough one. I would pitch it around 18k myself. There's 3 silver 3.4 C4 cars on Autotrader all a bit different, one's 25k... i would say that's ambitious to say the least. The other 2 are around 19-20k although they have full service history. Be interesting to see when they shift. What are your thoughts.?
nunpuncher said:
So as someone who spent an unhealthy amount of time stalking the market where do you think I should price my 2000 manual C4 on 83k miles?
Suspension fully refreshed, brakes rebuilt, new clutch, brake lines done, power steering hard lines done, water pump, low temp thermostat, Dansk exhaust and a whole load of other stuff all done in the last few years. Big folder of receipts but the last owner of 10 years before me (mechanic with his own garage) wasn't the best with paper work. It's also been improved/ruined with 997 seats with houndstooth inserts, ducktail, Boxster centre console but all original bits still available.
18KSuspension fully refreshed, brakes rebuilt, new clutch, brake lines done, power steering hard lines done, water pump, low temp thermostat, Dansk exhaust and a whole load of other stuff all done in the last few years. Big folder of receipts but the last owner of 10 years before me (mechanic with his own garage) wasn't the best with paper work. It's also been improved/ruined with 997 seats with houndstooth inserts, ducktail, Boxster centre console but all original bits still available.
Edited by nunpuncher on Thursday 21st July 16:59
stretcher said:
Did i see this at the Fairmile last evening. ? Mmm, tough one. I would pitch it around 18k myself. There's 3 silver 3.4 C4 cars on Autotrader all a bit different, one's 25k... i would say that's ambitious to say the least. The other 2 are around 19-20k although they have full service history. Be interesting to see when they shift. What are your thoughts.?
Must have been an impersonator as I'm up in Scotland.I was thinking it's probably about 16.5 but I haven't really been following prices at all.
Ok, not the same car. If you want a quick sale then your probably around the right ball park. Lot's of C4's to choose from at the moment. This is what your up against. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/46560952...
There's a couple of silver one's around 14k that have 100-110k on the clock.
There's a couple of silver one's around 14k that have 100-110k on the clock.
stretcher said:
Ok, not the same car. If you want a quick sale then your probably around the right ball park. Lot's of C4's to choose from at the moment. This is what your up against. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/46560952...
There's a couple of silver one's around 14k that have 100-110k on the clock.
If you know what you’re looking at, that’s a very different car… nunpuncher’s car may not have a book ‘FSH’, but it’s had all the jobs done that you’d want to see… suspension, clutch, brakes, exhaust… these are jobs that need doing on any far around 100k, and add up to many thousands in costs. There's a couple of silver one's around 14k that have 100-110k on the clock.
A 14k car could easily end up being a 18k car with a suspension refresh and front discs and pads.
Chris Stott said:
If you know what you’re looking at, that’s a very different car… nunpuncher’s car may not have a book ‘FSH’, but it’s had all the jobs done that you’d want to see… suspension, clutch, brakes, exhaust… these are jobs that need doing on any far around 100k, and add up to many thousands in costs.
A 14k car could easily end up being a 18k car with a suspension refresh and front discs and pads.
We don't know what's been done on the car on Facebook. I would expect most cars have had brakes ,clutch exhaust etc. Most of the half a dozen cars that i have looked to buy have had. FSH tells a buyer that it's been looked after it entire life.... important to me but obviously we are all different. The Blue car at 12.5k has no history.... a big factor when your guessing where and what's been done on a 25 year old car. A 14k car could easily end up being a 18k car with a suspension refresh and front discs and pads.
Changing the oil and stamping the book isn’t ‘looking after the car’ IMO… at least not when they get to 20+ years old.
I’d be less bothered about an annual oil change when mileage is sub 5k/yr… much more important that the big cost jobs have been done…. And if they have, what hasn’t the owner highlighted them in the add?
If the manifolds and back boxes haven’t been done you’re looking at 2k alone. Original suspension? Add another 4K. Rads? 1k. When was the water pump changed? Clutch? Had the front to rear brake pipe been done? Other hard brake lines?
Too many cars have a ‘FSH’ but haven’t had ‘proper’ maintenance.
I’d be less bothered about an annual oil change when mileage is sub 5k/yr… much more important that the big cost jobs have been done…. And if they have, what hasn’t the owner highlighted them in the add?
If the manifolds and back boxes haven’t been done you’re looking at 2k alone. Original suspension? Add another 4K. Rads? 1k. When was the water pump changed? Clutch? Had the front to rear brake pipe been done? Other hard brake lines?
Too many cars have a ‘FSH’ but haven’t had ‘proper’ maintenance.
Makes the car in question a bargain at 16.5k then Chris. Hopefully it will fly out the door. The car i have just purchased at 11.5k has had a new clutch, new condensers, brakes all around in the last 15k .... none of that was mentioned in the sales patter but i found it in the receipts. I should have 6-7k in my pocket for all the underneath items if the engine doesn't blow up..... !
Chris Stott said:
Changing the oil and stamping the book isn’t ‘looking after the car’ IMO… at least not when they get to 20+ years old.
I’d be less bothered about an annual oil change when mileage is sub 5k/yr… much more important that the big cost jobs have been done…. And if they have, what hasn’t the owner highlighted them in the add?
If the manifolds and back boxes haven’t been done you’re looking at 2k alone. Original suspension? Add another 4K. Rads? 1k. When was the water pump changed? Clutch? Had the front to rear brake pipe been done? Other hard brake lines?
Too many cars have a ‘FSH’ but haven’t had ‘proper’ maintenance.
Spot on, and why nunpuncher’s car is worth decent cash I’d be less bothered about an annual oil change when mileage is sub 5k/yr… much more important that the big cost jobs have been done…. And if they have, what hasn’t the owner highlighted them in the add?
If the manifolds and back boxes haven’t been done you’re looking at 2k alone. Original suspension? Add another 4K. Rads? 1k. When was the water pump changed? Clutch? Had the front to rear brake pipe been done? Other hard brake lines?
Too many cars have a ‘FSH’ but haven’t had ‘proper’ maintenance.
I actually find the MOT history more revealing than a stamped service book. You see so many "well looked after" cars with long list of simple advisories that an owner who really does look after their car wouldn't let get to that point.
As we all know, the thing with a 996 is that what would be a small job on other cars can often be a big expensive job on a 996. It's all well and good saying "the brakes were done" but speaking as someone that tackled that job I don't consider the brakes "done" unless you've replaced all the main lines, Flexi's and link pipes (this alone is a big job on a 996), the rusted brackets, stripped the callipers to replace the piston seals and the inevitable sheared nipples, Ideally replaced those with titanium or SS, replaced the calliper bolts and I would even go as far as to say it's not FULLY DONE unless the plugs for the sensors are also replaced as these will inevitably fall apart if you ever have to do the suspension.
Having new discs and pads is bare minimum maintenance in my view. It's the cheapest and easiest part of the job.
As we all know, the thing with a 996 is that what would be a small job on other cars can often be a big expensive job on a 996. It's all well and good saying "the brakes were done" but speaking as someone that tackled that job I don't consider the brakes "done" unless you've replaced all the main lines, Flexi's and link pipes (this alone is a big job on a 996), the rusted brackets, stripped the callipers to replace the piston seals and the inevitable sheared nipples, Ideally replaced those with titanium or SS, replaced the calliper bolts and I would even go as far as to say it's not FULLY DONE unless the plugs for the sensors are also replaced as these will inevitably fall apart if you ever have to do the suspension.
Having new discs and pads is bare minimum maintenance in my view. It's the cheapest and easiest part of the job.
ATM said:
How does a Boxster centre console differ?
More commonly referred to as the GT3 centre console or console delete. I like to call it the Boxster mod (mainly to annoy people that call it the GT3 console) as the very early 986's were the first cars to have no lower console.While doing that conversion I did discover that the upper switch area of the 986 console is different from the 996. The buttons on the horseshoe on the 986 are angled where as they are straight on the 996. I'd never noticed this before, only discovered this after I'd bought a 986 horseshoe to go from double DIN PCM1 to single DIN. it was surprisingly difficult and expensive to find a single DIN upper console surround in black.
Edited by nunpuncher on Friday 22 July 10:09
nunpuncher said:
I actually find the MOT history more revealing than a stamped service book. You see so many "well looked after" cars with long list of simple advisories that an owner who really does look after their car wouldn't let get to that point.
How does the MOT history look on the Iris Blue one above?
So as you can see that MOT history gives you an idea what you are getting into and gives you things to check if viewing (PS lines & suspension). Now don't get me wrong, that car has a Hartech rebuild and that alone makes it worth the price and I know how long the owner spent looking for just the right car.
However,
The MOT shows that the suspension is getting on a bit. It's going to need money thrown at suspension and if that recurring advisory* for the power steering line/hose wasn't sorted then that again could be expensive. If it's the high pressure hoses they aren't cheap to buy £1000+ and are a b
h to change as they are usually corroded into the rack.
You just don't get that sort of info from a stamped service book.
However,
The MOT shows that the suspension is getting on a bit. It's going to need money thrown at suspension and if that recurring advisory* for the power steering line/hose wasn't sorted then that again could be expensive. If it's the high pressure hoses they aren't cheap to buy £1000+ and are a b
h to change as they are usually corroded into the rack.You just don't get that sort of info from a stamped service book.
- to me the fact that advisory went away doesn't necessarily mean it got fixed. We know the car changed hands so it went to a different MOT station that maybe didn't notice it.
Edited by nunpuncher on Friday 22 July 13:17
Edited by nunpuncher on Friday 22 July 13:33
topgunmatt said:
I’m looking at selling my 996 soon, it’s a 1998 in artic silver.
It’s got Porsche embossed headrests and a factory switchable exhaust.
There are a few little marks here and a couple of scrapes as you would expect from 24 year old car.
It was also Cat D in 2008 (have a picture with the rear bumper damaged) and had an engine build at 63,000 in 2010.
It’s currently done 113,000.
What do you guys think for a price?
Hi OP, any more on this? ATM seems interested as am I.It’s got Porsche embossed headrests and a factory switchable exhaust.
There are a few little marks here and a couple of scrapes as you would expect from 24 year old car.
It was also Cat D in 2008 (have a picture with the rear bumper damaged) and had an engine build at 63,000 in 2010.
It’s currently done 113,000.
What do you guys think for a price?
A series of questions for threadists relating to wheels and tyres, if I may. Don’t know a lot about this topic so need some guidance.
I want more comfort and maximum steering feel. Road only, never going on track.
Plan is to go to 17 inch (from 18 inch turbo twists currently).
Also read from someone on this thread that going one inch narrower on the rear than standard helps with turn in (or something related to driving dynamics)
I also want to go for the lightest wheel possible without going crazy £££
So I think I need 17in OZ allegerita both front and rear, but I don’t know what specifc spec to order. Please advise.
Need thoughts on front and rear wheels and tyre sizes for this wheel.
Thank you!
I want more comfort and maximum steering feel. Road only, never going on track.
Plan is to go to 17 inch (from 18 inch turbo twists currently).
Also read from someone on this thread that going one inch narrower on the rear than standard helps with turn in (or something related to driving dynamics)
I also want to go for the lightest wheel possible without going crazy £££
So I think I need 17in OZ allegerita both front and rear, but I don’t know what specifc spec to order. Please advise.
Need thoughts on front and rear wheels and tyre sizes for this wheel.
Thank you!
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