Antidote to values and contrasting stitching threads
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Only on Instagram but in the same vibe. 3.3 Turbo.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BsbKGVniSkh/?utm_sourc...
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One of my fav's is this 993 on the limits on the Nordschleife! 993 C4 chasing a 997 GT3.
https://youtu.be/JrK1oeRjFhU
But also reverted back to watching Keiichi Tsuchiya in the best motoring video's, he is 62 now but still an awesome driver. Love their video's where tuners even go head to head to put there cars against each other on the famous Touge for records. Also J's racing S2000 with Keiichi behind the wheel smashes the Kyoto Hill Climb record on his practice run, and there are loads of top supercars, hillclimb cars participating.
https://youtu.be/Apk_KbzMYc8
https://youtu.be/1KiDeattzTo
The RX7 car control is awesome, so smooth on a bumpy course and a turbo car.
https://youtu.be/JrK1oeRjFhU
But also reverted back to watching Keiichi Tsuchiya in the best motoring video's, he is 62 now but still an awesome driver. Love their video's where tuners even go head to head to put there cars against each other on the famous Touge for records. Also J's racing S2000 with Keiichi behind the wheel smashes the Kyoto Hill Climb record on his practice run, and there are loads of top supercars, hillclimb cars participating.
https://youtu.be/Apk_KbzMYc8
https://youtu.be/1KiDeattzTo
The RX7 car control is awesome, so smooth on a bumpy course and a turbo car.
Edited by JayK12 on Friday 11th January 10:18
Great vid. Thanks for posting Steve.
Does anyone who races have a view on the very aggressive steering inputs he's making to the car almost constantly? Having visited, I know Sebring is a very poorly surfaced track (I was shocked how poor the general facilities were) but it seems in places he is almost trying to upset the balance of the car.
I wondered whether a smoother style and a car setup that is a little more compliant might actually yield more lap time. Not that it looks like he needs it with that power. He passes some cars on the "straightaway" like they are standing still!
Does anyone who races have a view on the very aggressive steering inputs he's making to the car almost constantly? Having visited, I know Sebring is a very poorly surfaced track (I was shocked how poor the general facilities were) but it seems in places he is almost trying to upset the balance of the car.
I wondered whether a smoother style and a car setup that is a little more compliant might actually yield more lap time. Not that it looks like he needs it with that power. He passes some cars on the "straightaway" like they are standing still!
alfapork said:
Great vid. Thanks for posting Steve.
Does anyone who races have a view on the very aggressive steering inputs he's making to the car almost constantly? Having visited, I know Sebring is a very poorly surfaced track (I was shocked how poor the general facilities were) but it seems in places he is almost trying to upset the balance of the car.
I wondered whether a smoother style and a car setup that is a little more compliant might actually yield more lap time. Not that it looks like he needs it with that power. He passes some cars on the "straightaway" like they are standing still!
From when I had my race car, albeit not a Porsche, any training I've had and what I have read, I was always told to be smooth with the car in all aspects (braking, steering, throttle), since then I've found when I'm smooth my laptime is always quicker but feels slower almost relaxed. Mostly now I sim race, and again being smoother yields me a higher lap time and I'm easier on the tyres.Does anyone who races have a view on the very aggressive steering inputs he's making to the car almost constantly? Having visited, I know Sebring is a very poorly surfaced track (I was shocked how poor the general facilities were) but it seems in places he is almost trying to upset the balance of the car.
I wondered whether a smoother style and a car setup that is a little more compliant might actually yield more lap time. Not that it looks like he needs it with that power. He passes some cars on the "straightaway" like they are standing still!
A lot of novice drivers over react to the car when it moves around and tend to tighten up and saw at the wheel and in doing so unsettle the car. I always say that they are 'behind the car'. This driver is reacting to a car moving around under him. He's provoking it and knows exactly what to expect. If you look at his body language, he is calm, relaxed in in control. I would say that he is 'in front of the car'. He is rotating the car by focussing on the rear through the all of the cornering phases. I would prefer to concentrate on the front but I'm used to driving later 911's with different dynamics and tyre compounds. This is nice work, the is a logic to his approach. He's not leaving very much on the table at all
Steve Rance said:
A lot of novice drivers over react to the car when it moves around and tend to tighten up and saw at the wheel and in doing so unsettle the car. I always say that they are 'behind the car'. This driver is reacting to a car moving around under him. He's provoking it and knows exactly what to expect. If you look at his body language, he is calm, relaxed in in control. I would say that he is 'in front of the car'. He is rotating the car by focussing on the rear through the all of the cornering phases. I would prefer to concentrate on the front but I'm used to driving later 911's with different dynamics and tyre compounds. This is nice work, the is a logic to his approach. He's not leaving very much on the table at all
Interesting thoughts. I used to be behind the car for sure, making large and aggressive corrections. But that's changed and just brings in more smoothness. When you talk about rotating, can you explain what you mean about using the rear and front? I have always in my FWD race car used the brakes to shift the weight and make the car rotate (real world), in Sim racing I've found the same in GT Cars once I get the balance right trailing in and keeping the steering angle on turn-in but just using the braking to shift the weight and getting the car to rotate for that split second and back on the power. TBH a great feeling when you get it right. Will be in a Radical next year so back to real life track driving!
I would need an injection of snake bite antivenom before I drove that Porsche as it appears to be constantly trying to kill you,not my thing as in the way it handles,it seems to want to escape from the race track 
Whereas
I loved the video of Shaun Edwards where it looked liked he was having afternoon tea at the Ritz "pass me another cup cake please" he didn't even break into a sweat whilst destroying the field
Please note that Shaun's car had the £171 optional 12 O'clock steering wheel marker and his car was NOT the lesser manual version!
Whereas
I loved the video of Shaun Edwards where it looked liked he was having afternoon tea at the Ritz "pass me another cup cake please" he didn't even break into a sweat whilst destroying the field
Please note that Shaun's car had the £171 optional 12 O'clock steering wheel marker and his car was NOT the lesser manual version!
Edited by Juno on Friday 11th January 17:21
Dr S said:
Small correction below
First lap I ever did at the ring was in my first cgt , in the pouring rain .Steve Rance said:
Respect for:
A) owning the best Porsche road car ever built
B) driving it as intended
C) as per B but in the pouring rain at the SECOND best race track in the world. SHOULD TAKE IT TO THE RING
A) owning the best Porsche road car ever built
B) driving it as intended
C) as per B but in the pouring rain at the SECOND best race track in the world. SHOULD TAKE IT TO THE RING
In fact if you look closely you can see the colonel pointing the next corner out
It dried up later
I swear the cgt is just incredible , incredible
alfapork said:
Great vid. Thanks for posting Steve.
Does anyone who races have a view on the very aggressive steering inputs he's making to the car almost constantly? Having visited, I know Sebring is a very poorly surfaced track (I was shocked how poor the general facilities were) but it seems in places he is almost trying to upset the balance of the car.
I wondered whether a smoother style and a car setup that is a little more compliant might actually yield more lap time. Not that it looks like he needs it with that power. He passes some cars on the "straightaway" like they are standing still!
Some great footage for sure,shaun had fantastic race craft,not just the driving,i guess thats from being the son of a f1 driver and natural talent.Does anyone who races have a view on the very aggressive steering inputs he's making to the car almost constantly? Having visited, I know Sebring is a very poorly surfaced track (I was shocked how poor the general facilities were) but it seems in places he is almost trying to upset the balance of the car.
I wondered whether a smoother style and a car setup that is a little more compliant might actually yield more lap time. Not that it looks like he needs it with that power. He passes some cars on the "straightaway" like they are standing still!
As to aggressive inputs,it realy depends on the car and surface and driving with 40 plus years old tech and set up.Sebring is a real pants surface,concrete/tarmac and very bumpy through some of the fast corners.
A bit more compliance would help,which modern springs and dampers can give you.It looks like the car has a rsr steering rack which helps,the early 911 cars do get a lot of bump steer of which some can be dialed out but not all.
The front of a early 911 is the hardest part to control and understand,for example when you nail the brakes the front track can go from toeing in to toeing out and during acceleration out of a corner the opposite.While the back wheels one rear wheel will be trying to toe more in and the other wheel trying to toe out,so always need a compromise.
On the later 911 you dont get so much changes in the chassis/suspension as its all better controlled,so you can run a more compliant set up,this realy started with the 993 with kinematic toe control and so on.
I drive a rsr or two spanning 45 years,the 1973 car is a total work out of body and brain with extreme fun,where as the 2009 car its hard to break into a sweat especialy with the aircon on and rear camera! With grip that most other cars can only dream of.
JayK12 said:
Interesting thoughts. I used to be behind the car for sure, making large and aggressive corrections. But that's changed and just brings in more smoothness.
When you talk about rotating, can you explain what you mean about using the rear and front? I have always in my FWD race car used the brakes to shift the weight and make the car rotate (real world), in Sim racing I've found the same in GT Cars once I get the balance right trailing in and keeping the steering angle on turn-in but just using the braking to shift the weight and getting the car to rotate for that split second and back on the power. TBH a great feeling when you get it right. Will be in a Radical next year so back to real life track driving!
Basically, the air cooled driver is doing most of his work through the steering and the water cooled driver is doing most of his work through the brake peddle. The two styles are almost opposite in approach but each necessary due to the particular dynamics of each car. Both drivers are working just as hard to extract performance. There is a fundamental misconception that the driver who appears to be wheel twirling is working more. The true craftsman can work out the quickest way to drive a car and adapt their driving style accordingly. Both of these drivers are craftsman When you talk about rotating, can you explain what you mean about using the rear and front? I have always in my FWD race car used the brakes to shift the weight and make the car rotate (real world), in Sim racing I've found the same in GT Cars once I get the balance right trailing in and keeping the steering angle on turn-in but just using the braking to shift the weight and getting the car to rotate for that split second and back on the power. TBH a great feeling when you get it right. Will be in a Radical next year so back to real life track driving!
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