Cayman R Owners Discussion Thread
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anonymous said:
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lol you have taken up slippy's ex forum bulls
t postings now me and Slippy have made friends ...now go and do the SVP thing, hold on, I bet you won't do that either !
Go and talk kerb weights or PDK VS manual crap ! as you offer nothing here to any owners.
The 987.2 platform is well over 5 years old, NOTHING new is to market , every thing has been tried and tested 20x over
every one is after the same thing here, why re-invent the wheel because 1 person seems to want to, it's crazy and you don't even own or like them that much, let alone have driven a GT3 MC car a steel shod or a PCCB car all of which I have back to back 2 of which I own FFS.
PS, I see you cannot any come back to me why a MC is the magic fix !!! the issue on your 987.1 car is not the issue people hate about the 987.2 feel, ie no hard stop point and pedal feels spongy.
you just want less pedal travel in your 987.1 car if that's what you want go a bloody fit one, I bet you have not though !!!
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Monday 23 March 14:14
The initial half inch of travel is debatable in the spyder, but there after the modulation for road use is perfectly adequate, even from repeated high speed stops. If anything they feel better after a few high speed stops.
The manifold mod sounds interesting. On my old JCW an RMW manifold with 200 cell cat made it feel like a super lightweight flywheel was fitted.
The manifold mod sounds interesting. On my old JCW an RMW manifold with 200 cell cat made it feel like a super lightweight flywheel was fitted.
Dan911 said:
I'm thinking of putting a GT3 MC on my CR..
Any Advise?
My advice is sound ;-) if you want reduced pedal travel then that will reduce it, If you want a hard end point like a GT3 and less sponginess then a MC will help mask it but not fix it.Any Advise?
I don't get what is confusing here !
on a side note just had a loan car for a day a 981, I would have though Cmoose would love that over servo pedal feel, it has about 1in movement, just what he is looking for :-)
but in all seriousness , the R after the 981 Cayman just feels so alive/direct, the 981 was a lacklustre under steering mess vs what the R is like to drive.
I am unsure why some people give the R bad press and say it feels lacking ! goodness knows what the same people would say about a standard 981.
jayxx83 said:
, but there after the modulation for road use is perfectly adequate, even from repeated high speed stops.
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correct ;-) .
People jump on the MC band wagon and think it's the magic fix and it fixes nothing bar making the car harder to heal and toe because now the pedal is too high to roll onto the throttle.
PorscheGT4 said:
still has nothing to do with "end point firmness" and "sponginess of the brake pedal" how every many things you make bold :-)
I have said it many a time and I think the issue is brake booster, but no one has messed about with that part.
MC masks an issue which people are then a bit happier with after fitment, but not a fix to "end point firmness" and "sponginess of the brake pedal"
If you want less pedal travel then MC is worth doing , but really an over haul with 996 GT3 6 pot calipers, 350mm disks, brake booster, MC and RS29 pads would be a fuller solution.
If you want more bite and don't want that cost, then larger Gyro 340MM disks along with pads with more bite would help, that moves the caliper out a bit and with a aggressive pad makes the feel a bit better along with the MC fitment for less travel, that's about the best it will be.
Just trying to manage expectations as the MC is not a 1 part fix all solution esp on oem 330mm disks and EBC pads.
I've absolutely no idea what you are talking about - What issue is the GT3 MC masking? And surely if people are happier post mod, then it works no? I want to improve brake pedal feel. I thought that this was abundantly clear. The GT3 MC is meant to do precisely that because it reduces overall pedal travel, provides a more stable platform for H&T and needs increased pedal force. I've already said that the braking performance is fine - yes it could be better with some of the mods you describe but I don't find that that actual retardation is an issue. Except on here on occasion I have said it many a time and I think the issue is brake booster, but no one has messed about with that part.
MC masks an issue which people are then a bit happier with after fitment, but not a fix to "end point firmness" and "sponginess of the brake pedal"
If you want less pedal travel then MC is worth doing , but really an over haul with 996 GT3 6 pot calipers, 350mm disks, brake booster, MC and RS29 pads would be a fuller solution.
If you want more bite and don't want that cost, then larger Gyro 340MM disks along with pads with more bite would help, that moves the caliper out a bit and with a aggressive pad makes the feel a bit better along with the MC fitment for less travel, that's about the best it will be.
Just trying to manage expectations as the MC is not a 1 part fix all solution esp on oem 330mm disks and EBC pads.
When I said sponginess of brake pedal, what I meant is that the damn thing moves too much - it feels overservoed. I want a very firm brake pedal, not much movement, more force, same level of retardation and consistency of response - that's it.
shaunRS said:
Dan911 said:
I'm thinking of putting a GT3 MC on my CR..
Any Advise?
When I had my CR I enquired about adding the GT3 MC and I was told by an OPC that they would not do it, unless I wanted to forfeit the warranty - I had two remaining so decided against it.Any Advise?
J-P said:
I've absolutely no idea what you are talking about (yep that is clear lol)
When I said sponginess of brake pedal, what I meant is that the damn thing moves too much - it feels overservoed. I want a very firm brake pedal, not much movement, more force, same level of retardation and consistency of response - that's it.
over servo means it moves less as the servo does the work !(try a 981 as an example of over servo, cmoose hates it lol) the oem does NOT feel overservoed ! that's why people like Porsche brakes because they are NOT over servoed !! and there for you can easily threshold brake because of the feel you get.When I said sponginess of brake pedal, what I meant is that the damn thing moves too much - it feels overservoed. I want a very firm brake pedal, not much movement, more force, same level of retardation and consistency of response - that's it.
You need to be sure what you are asking here and what you want from it.
if you ment you wanted less travel why keep saying "sponginess of brake pedal" the 2 are not related.
Now you state "the damn thing moves too much" in which case the larger MC will reduce travel if that is your goal. (but that's the 1st time you have said this ! )
IF you have driven a 996 or 997 GT3 you would see what people moving from these cars are trying to get , "a hard end point", not the "sponginess" the 987.2 car has.
the MC masked that "sponginess" in giving the end user less travel and a harder pedal to press, why any one wants a harder to press brake pedal is odd though, or less travel !
I find having the travel really helps one with brake modulation, and also helps left foot braking if one wants to adjust the car in that way.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Monday 23 March 18:07
anonymous said:
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This - I would also want a rock hard pedal, as it would make my foot pressure the thing that stopped the car and make H&T easier regardless of the amount of braking force I wanted to apply. I'm still not sure what the GT3MC is meant to be masking. In my car there's about an inch of travel before the car really reacts to the fact that you pressed the brake pedal. This is the sponginess I was referring to. What do you mean by sponginess?anonymous said:
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interesting, crazy but interesting that you wish for this ! the good news is that anyone half sensible reading this thread will now have good cause to be highly skeptical about any advice you post if that is your end goal.I don't really think you understand the reason the USA guys were trying this mod and the issue they were trying to cure is not on the gen 1 cars.
As you have had very little time in a gen 2 car, I would say, you have no idea what you are talking about regarding what these guys were trying to fix, :-) a quick jurno drive is not living and understanding these cars day in day out.
I would really hate to think anybody was making changes to their car based on your posts.
"The GT3 MC may not fix any problems you may or may not have with your car. It does for other people"
but it's does NOT fix the real issue people were trying this mod to fix ! has nothing to do with my cars, has every thing to do with the 987.2 brake system.
again I would really hate to think anybody was making changes to their car based on your posts. :-p
As for JP if he wants less travel he will be over the moon with his MC fitment.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Monday 23 March 19:22
Dan911 said:
Spacer Question..
I am fitting 5mm spacers over the next few months on the front. With 5mm spacers will I need longer bolts?
Good question. My car is getting a new alignment today. Tonight I'm going to fit the 5mm spacers off my 964, so am keen to know what the limit is. On the 964 5mm is the max before going to spacers with studs.I am fitting 5mm spacers over the next few months on the front. With 5mm spacers will I need longer bolts?
anonymous said:
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seems not enough to realise what the underlying issue that people were trying to fix was in the 987.2 brake system :-)I am not going to make this a 10 page debate as you do on PDK, or kerb weights, I have voiced my opinion on the matter and this is the last post on MC fitment by me in this thread.
People can make up their own minds like you stated who to believe.
IF you want a pedal with no travel, then as I said (or should I say as you said ;-p) " I would really hate to think anybody was making changes to their car based on your posts"
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