Cayman R Chat

[Slippydiff]

ATM said:

Jim1556 said:

If a straight swap, it'd almost make sense to buy this: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207127... and swap brakes then sell it again at a similar price.

Granted, the discs may need restoration but a good way to upgrade the standard (poor) brakes - calipers alone make a vast improvement (IMO)...

Even if not a straight swap if you have the 2 cars side by side then you can swap whatever else is also required. Personally I'd be swapping the tip for a manual and keeping the rest of the car as is.

I'm still trying to get my head around why you'd specify PCCB's on a Tiptronic Boxster S

A case of "Oooh, I do like those yellow calipers", to which the salesman replies "The only way you can get those is to specify the Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes sir/madam"

"Well they do look rather nice, I think I'll have to specify them"

Salesman's eyes light up ...

[Slippydiff]

Gibbo205 said:

A lot of truth but as you say you are saving 2kg per side, but the other benefits are much larger disc and larger callipers which when you park a Spyder or Cayman R side by side, one on steels and one on ceramics, well the steel car kind of looks woefully under braked, as the brakes look a little lost behind the wheels, whereas ceramics fill the wheels perfectly.

Also having driven both, Cayman R on steels and Spyder on ceramics the latter does have better stopping power and better fade resistance, all in all if there are two cars for sale, both identical in specification you'd be pretty crazy to go for steels over ceramics on these cars as your getting a decent brake upgrade, essentially a BBK, with weight savings, no dust and much better looking.

The replacement cost thing, if someone has a R or Spyder and is doing a lot of track days it is best to fit a set of 350mm steel disc, you can still use the ceramic calliper and pads for the improved modulation and power the larger callipers give and then just put the ceramics to one side, but saying this with how little the R and Spyder weigh with some basic brake cooling upgrades the ceramics work well on track as long as they are bring up to temperature gradually and given a good couple of cooling laps.

I'd be shocked if it didn't !!
But you're right in pretty much all you've said
However they weren't a cheap option, and whilst they might be man enough for the job of slowing a well driven 330-340hp 1300kg 987 Boxster or Cayman on track, the exact same set up wasn't up to the task of slowing a hard driven 996 GT2/3 in the same environment ...

If I was looking for a decent unsprung weight loss on a 987 Cayman/Boxster, I think I'd be spending my hard earned on a set of lightweight forged wheels.

[Pflanzgarten]

Slippydiff said:

Whilst there are undoubtedly weight savings to be had with the use of the PCCB's, it's not to the degree many would think.

Try two identical cars back to back, one with ceramics and one without and the difference is astounding. PEC are very good at showing this off and I suspect the upgrade pays a good proportion of wages there

[mc50]

Having had a manual cayman 2.9 for the last couple of years I'm considering an R, the specific one I'm thinking of has PDK with chrono.

Can i expect much difference in performance with the 2.9 which i can just rev it out and not have to worry too much on the road.

How will the pdk perform. I have a dsg in a commuter golf which is seriously boring for fun driving so would probably switch to paddles to have it in the correct gear. Is PDK of this era reliable any major concerns. Reason for pdk as this particular car is within my budget (36k). Have tried dct in m2 & m3 which were pretty good.

thanks

[Slippydiff]

Pflanzgarten said:

Slippydiff said:

Whilst there are undoubtedly weight savings to be had with the use of the PCCB's, it's not to the degree many would think.

Try two identical cars back to back, one with ceramics and one without and the difference is astounding. PEC are very good at showing this off and I suspect the upgrade pays a good proportion of wages there

Polite mode on. You're conflating two things, the benefits of the PCCB's with regards to their weight (which I'm not contesting in any way shape or form) and the amount of weight they reduce the unsprung elements of the car's components by, and it was the latter I was referring to. Polite mode off.

As for the experience/benefits the PCCB's provide, I was one of the early adopters, and I tirelessly championed their benefits on here to the non-believers

996 GT2 purchased late 2006 (the earliest cars came with steel brakes due to supply issues with the PCCB discs, however this car being a 2002 MY was supplied with PCCB's)
The previous owner had already worn out one set of PCCBs on track and Reading had replaced them under warranty. The owner then went on to scrap/wear out a second set, but rather than pay for replacements, he went to Reading and ordered a Gen 1 997 GT3 RS.

He advertised the car privately, and didn't disclose the discs were shot, but thinking I was ahead of the game, I insisted on having the car inspected. He suggested his local OPC, but they were too busy, so I insisted Reading carried out the inspection.Big mistake.

Reading duly carried out the inspection and reported (on the phone, nothing in writing ...) that the low tone horn wasn't working and the battery in the spare key fob was flat. No mention of the PCCB's being down to their wear limits .... funny that, and absolutely no conflict of interest between them, me and the owner who'd already had a new set of PCCB's under warranty, and now had a new (and expensive) car on order with them. No sireee ...



Here's what the PCCB's looked like after a high speed thrash after I'd collected the car from Reading and driven it back to N.Wales (they're toast BTW) :



Here's what the front discs were replaced with :



And the rears (997 Turbo rear discs, the first UK 996 GT2 to use them)



Then I contacted Surface Transforms and helped developed their ceramic discs on the car along with another PH'er on his CGT :



It's reasonably safe to say I'm more aware of the benefits in unsprung weight provided by lightweight discs ands wheels than most having driven the car back to back with it's original PCCB's (complete rubbish, but light) Alcon 362mm two piece floating discs (heavy, but excellent and durable) the single piece OE 350mm steel "boat anchors" (refined, cheap and ridiculously heavy) and Surface Transforms ceramics (350mm, approx one kilo heavier than the OE PCCB's, but far, far more durable)

[julian987R]

Slippydiff said:

Reading duly carried out the inspection and reported (on the phone, nothing in writing ...) that the low tone horn wasn't working and the battery in the spare key fob was flat. No mention of the PCCB's being down to their wear limits .... funny that, and absolutely no conflict of interest between them, me and the owner who'd already had a new set of PCCB's under warranty, and now had a new (and expensive) car on order with them. No sireee ...

Here's what the PCCB's looked like after a high speed thrash after I'd collected the car from Reading and driven it back to N.Wales (they're toast BTW) :

wow. That is terrible of them huh. Did you pursue their 'oversight' legally? how was it resolved?

[Andyoz]

julian987R said:

Slippydiff said:

Reading duly carried out the inspection and reported (on the phone, nothing in writing ...) that the low tone horn wasn't working and the battery in the spare key fob was flat. No mention of the PCCB's being down to their wear limits .... funny that, and absolutely no conflict of interest between them, me and the owner who'd already had a new set of PCCB's under warranty, and now had a new (and expensive) car on order with them. No sireee ...

Here's what the PCCB's looked like after a high speed thrash after I'd collected the car from Reading and driven it back to N.Wales (they're toast BTW) :

wow. That is terrible of them huh. Did you pursue their 'oversight' legally? how was it resolved?

Verbal stuff only...nothing written down...little chance I'd say?

[Slippydiff]

julian987R said:

wow. That is terrible of them huh. Did you pursue their 'oversight' legally? how was it resolved?

As I mentioned Julian, the results of the inspection were read out to me over the phone, and I didn't receive any paperwork, only an invoice. I spoke to my litigator who said that persuing the matter would be near impossible without anything in writing. So I took it on the chin and fitted the steel replacement discs to the car.
It was the beginning of a great (and interesting) odyssey with regards to brakes and suspension set up, so I have no regrets at all. Though suffice to say, I've had nothing to do with Reading since !!

[freedman]

Ashgoods punting an R that needs a bit of work out for £32995 via Instagram

Says needs suspension and condensor etc

White PDK, no buckets

[julian987R]

Slippydiff said:

julian987R said:

wow. That is terrible of them huh. Did you pursue their 'oversight' legally? how was it resolved?

As I mentioned Julian, the results of the inspection were read out to me over the phone, and I didn't receive any paperwork, only an invoice. I spoke to my litigator who said that persuing the matter would be near impossible without anything in writing. So I took it on the chin and fitted the steel replacement discs to the car.
It was the beginning of a great (and interesting) odyssey with regards to brakes and suspension set up, so I have no regrets at all. Though suffice to say, I've had nothing to do with Reading since !!

That is terrible of them isn't it. Hats off to you for seeing the positive side of things.

[julian987R]

Meteor Grey.
I'd be amazed if that listing lasts longer than this week. its got it all bar ceramics and extended leather.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208018...

[Da Original Whyayedee]

It looks very nice indeed, oh man!

[julian987R]

Da Original Whyayedee said:

It looks very nice indeed, oh man!

its a stunner isn't it....ones like that are few and far between.
Its got your name on it I sense.

[Da Original Whyayedee]

Unfortunately I have just seen where they are, quite a trek from here and by the time I could get to go and see it, I dare say it'll be gone, but we'll see

[julian987R]

Da Original Whyayedee said:

Unfortunately I have just seen where they are, quite a trek from here and by the time I could get to go and see it, I dare say it'll be gone, but we'll see

I think you should put a refundable deposit on it to secure first dibs on it. Then buy some time by arranging an inspection on it, and by then you'd be ready to go see/collect it. I really think this is the car for you. I recall your post on what cayman to buy. This is far far more special in my opinion than those other ones you listed that you were contemplating. Cayman wise, that is as good as it gets right there.

[Nurburgsingh]

I’ve been to see a few cars there - I’d get some more details and a proper walk around video and detailed images of stuff before you make a long trip.

[Andyoz]

julian987R said:

Meteor Grey.
I'd be amazed if that listing lasts longer than this week. its got it all bar ceramics and extended leather.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208018...

It's also had Sports Chrono button added at some stage which is perfect as you don't have to look at the factory dash wart

[Andyoz]

One In...One Out.

R being picked up by new owner tomorrow. He's going to drive it just as much as I did...and mod it even more

[Da Original Whyayedee]

Is this anyones here?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206297...

[breakfan]

julian987R said:

Meteor Grey.
I'd be amazed if that listing lasts longer than this week. its got it all bar ceramics and extended leather.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208018...

At 44k, that car will very much still be for sale in a week! There's a very similar black one still available for 37k, and I battled for over two months to sell mine in the same ballpark figures (granted, no PSE).

Anyway gents I bought an Alpine - setting off at the weekend for a Euro tour to get to know the thing. First impressions very good, but miss the manual gearbox.



All the best, see you around!