Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods
Discussion
If you by a CR for between 40 - 45k its a good deal. I think its more important to get the car you want rather than at the price you want. They were about on 60k ish when new so considering the residuals, that fact that someone else has paid the depreciation so far, then you're investing in a great car that'll lose you very little and possibly gain you some over the coming years if you keep it long enough.
Personally i would rather buy from an OPC, I get great service from mine and have built a good relationship generally, been in for various bits on the warranty such as window mechanism that was rattling on both sides due to the hard suspension no doubt. I get a free bottle of water and some mints each time (worth the premium on their own) and I have peace of mind. I'd happily pay an extra 3-4k to buy a R form an OPC.
I terms of values, I doubt that they will climb much, in my opinion they'll stay steady. they are great cars, possibly better drivers cars than most 911's but they just aren't loved as much as 911's which is why I think they'll stay steady as against rise a lot on value. This whole 30k miles thing is because most CR's on sale are mostly sub 30k miles (mines done 13k, bought it at 7k), so a car with over that number will look like a high miler. As they get older then the 30k will become 40k then 50k and so on. Low mile cars in good condition will always command a premium. There is a point that buying a low mile car for a lot more money is doesn't make sense because as soon as you put miles on it, you'll lose a load of money. Theres 996 GT3 in my OPC with 5000 miles for £99k. Others are on the market for £70 - 75l with 20,000 miles. Therefor you buy it, you do 20k mile and you lose £25 - 30,000. False economy unless its for a collection.
Cayman R's are superb cars and the fact that they're rare seals the deal for me but i do know that my next car will be a 911 of the GT brigade, i will be sad to see her go though...
Personally i would rather buy from an OPC, I get great service from mine and have built a good relationship generally, been in for various bits on the warranty such as window mechanism that was rattling on both sides due to the hard suspension no doubt. I get a free bottle of water and some mints each time (worth the premium on their own) and I have peace of mind. I'd happily pay an extra 3-4k to buy a R form an OPC.
I terms of values, I doubt that they will climb much, in my opinion they'll stay steady. they are great cars, possibly better drivers cars than most 911's but they just aren't loved as much as 911's which is why I think they'll stay steady as against rise a lot on value. This whole 30k miles thing is because most CR's on sale are mostly sub 30k miles (mines done 13k, bought it at 7k), so a car with over that number will look like a high miler. As they get older then the 30k will become 40k then 50k and so on. Low mile cars in good condition will always command a premium. There is a point that buying a low mile car for a lot more money is doesn't make sense because as soon as you put miles on it, you'll lose a load of money. Theres 996 GT3 in my OPC with 5000 miles for £99k. Others are on the market for £70 - 75l with 20,000 miles. Therefor you buy it, you do 20k mile and you lose £25 - 30,000. False economy unless its for a collection.
Cayman R's are superb cars and the fact that they're rare seals the deal for me but i do know that my next car will be a 911 of the GT brigade, i will be sad to see her go though...
Edited by Fokker on Tuesday 15th September 17:57
Edited by Fokker on Tuesday 15th September 18:31
Fokker said:
If you by a CR for between 40 - 45k its a good deal. I think its more important to get the car you want rather than at the price you want. They were about on 60k ish when new so considering the residuals, that fact that someone else has paid the depreciation so far, then you're investing in a great car that'll lose you very little and possibly gain you some over the coming years if you keep it long enough.
Personally i would rather buy from an OPC, I get great service from mine and have built a good relationship generally, been in for various bits on the warranty such as window mechanism that was rattling on both sides due to the hard suspension no doubt. I get a free bottle of water and some mints each time (worth the premium on their own) and I have peace of mind. I'd happily pay an extra 3-4k to buy a R form an OPC.
I terms of values, I doubt that they will climb much, in my opinion they'll stay steady. they are great cars, possibly better drivers cars than most 911's but they just aren't loved as much as 911's which is why I think they'll stay steady as against rise a lot on value. This whole 30k miles thing is because most CR's on sale are mostly sub 30k miles (mines done 13k, bought it at 7k), so a car with over that number will look like a high miler. As they get older then the 30k will become 40k then 50k and so on. Low mile cars in good condition will always command a premium. There is a point that buying a low mile car for a lot more money is doesn't make sense because as soon as you put miles on it, you'll lose a load of money. Theres 996 GT3 in my OPC with 5000 miles for £99k. Others are on the market for £70 - 75l with 20,000 miles. Therefor you buy it, you do 20k mile and you lose £25 - 30,000. False economy unless its for a collection.
Cayman R's are superb cars and the fact that they're rare seals the deal for me but i do know that my next car will be a 911 of the GT brigade, i will be sad to see her go though...
Agreed, most sensible thing i've seen posted on here for a while now. Personally i would rather buy from an OPC, I get great service from mine and have built a good relationship generally, been in for various bits on the warranty such as window mechanism that was rattling on both sides due to the hard suspension no doubt. I get a free bottle of water and some mints each time (worth the premium on their own) and I have peace of mind. I'd happily pay an extra 3-4k to buy a R form an OPC.
I terms of values, I doubt that they will climb much, in my opinion they'll stay steady. they are great cars, possibly better drivers cars than most 911's but they just aren't loved as much as 911's which is why I think they'll stay steady as against rise a lot on value. This whole 30k miles thing is because most CR's on sale are mostly sub 30k miles (mines done 13k, bought it at 7k), so a car with over that number will look like a high miler. As they get older then the 30k will become 40k then 50k and so on. Low mile cars in good condition will always command a premium. There is a point that buying a low mile car for a lot more money is doesn't make sense because as soon as you put miles on it, you'll lose a load of money. Theres 996 GT3 in my OPC with 5000 miles for £99k. Others are on the market for £70 - 75l with 20,000 miles. Therefor you buy it, you do 20k mile and you lose £25 - 30,000. False economy unless its for a collection.
Cayman R's are superb cars and the fact that they're rare seals the deal for me but i do know that my next car will be a 911 of the GT brigade, i will be sad to see her go though...
Dan911 said:
philnotts said:
I do quite like the Silver OPC R for sale but very un-sure about spec vs price. Oh and the rear wiper :/ .. As its a daily i dont mind the fact it has the sport seats.
Speak to Gav '996GT2' GR R with sports seats.. philnotts said:
Dan911 said:
philnotts said:
I do quite like the Silver OPC R for sale but very un-sure about spec vs price. Oh and the rear wiper :/ .. As its a daily i dont mind the fact it has the sport seats.
Speak to Gav '996GT2' GR R with sports seats.. I actually do not even know if mine has one!!
Edited by Sarnie on Tuesday 15th September 23:44
Just back form holiday and wondered if anyone had seen or bought the Porsche Aberdeen Cayman R that was on sale while I was away. It may not have even made it onto the website as my colleague who told me about it happened to be in when they'd just taken it. He actually test drove it. It was a PDK peridot car with just about every option you could possibly spec, correct seats and wheels, PCM, SS, PSE, red belts etc etc. Apparently it was going to be advertised at £46K with around 11k miles. My work mate text me about it on the day he saw it and then next afternoon when I looked online there was no sign of it so it maybe never reached the site.
do you guys think the OPC warranty is really worth having? I took mine in for its free VHC (Vehicle health check) at my local OPC last week and they said it was mint, so quite pleased with that for peace of mind. Even the pads had less than 10% wear and its just had its 4yr service with new plugs, brake fluid etc. So not really sure its worth stumping up a couple of K for the P-warranty. :-/
PaulD86 said:
Just back form holiday and wondered if anyone had seen or bought the Porsche Aberdeen Cayman R that was on sale while I was away. It may not have even made it onto the website as my colleague who told me about it happened to be in when they'd just taken it. He actually test drove it. It was a PDK peridot car with just about every option you could possibly spec, correct seats and wheels, PCM, SS, PSE, red belts etc etc. Apparently it was going to be advertised at £46K with around 11k miles. My work mate text me about it on the day he saw it and then next afternoon when I looked online there was no sign of it so it maybe never reached the site.
This one?http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/detail...
anonymous said:
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But surely it suggests that other models from Porsche are just as capable of commanding premiums and rising prices in the future for being either appealing driver's cars or more limited models. I don't think it applies only to the 911 personally, more so maybe but not exclusively. I don't personally expect Cayman R prices to rise really I agreed with the sentiment above, but it's a limited edition model and the market will like it, in fact the current values demonstrate that it already does, the depreciation of an R compared to a similar year S is proof enough.
anonymous said:
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A Cayman R isn't mediocre in value though, they're generally retaining around 80% of their value, which compared to other Cayman/Boxsters and most 911 of the same vintage is far better. I think the point Fokker was making (and one that I agreed with him on above) is that they are not likely to climb much but are staying quite steady. I never said a 944 Turbo was worth the same as a 911 in monetary terms, I merely pointed out that the increase in values of Porsches is not just just a 911 thing. To use your example that 944 Turbo for £26k is far more than it was worth 3 years ago, more than double in fact, so yes not the same price as a 911 of similar vintage, but similar in the fact they are both accreting in value at fair multiples and in percentage terms probably quite similar, it just so happens that a 911 is worth more from day dot than a 944. I've been watching values of 993 C2 over the last few years and needless to say I can't afford one now really, but they haven't more than doubled in the last 3 years just yet.
anonymous said:
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Its easy: 1. Current 944 Turbo values proves it's not just 911 that can double in value in a short space of time.
2. the Cayman R is not mediocre in value compared to similar vintage 911.
Conclusion: Therefore, whilst the 911 is all great and king of the roost, it's not to say that other models of Porsche are not also performing very well in terms of value.
No point keep coming and talking the R down in this forum Jock, and we all know you've had a rough ride with your S but the values and interest in the R speak for itself.
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