718 Sound and Constant Whinging !

[anonymous-user]

Ha ha. This reads a lot like page four.

[Cheshirecat65]

Schmed said:

Ha ha. This reads a lot like page four.

...and page 48.

[gadgit]

Sounds like a Ducati.....eh?
Does the 718 also have a dry clutch, and clatter like mad until you slot it into gear.
I seem to remember mine doing that, but the difference is that when the Ducati is slotted into gear and driven off, is just sounds glorious. And its only a twinn.
You would think that they could have made the 718 with four cylinders sound at least as nice as a Ducati.
What a terrible shame that is!

Gadgit.

[Caedmon]

Came across this video that seems to give a balanced view.

https://youtu.be/G-ACnDNfwg8

[bcr5784]

gadgit said:

Sounds like a Ducati.....eh?
Does the 718 also have a dry clutch, and clatter like mad until you slot it into gear.

Gadgit.

No, but as I understand it neither do Ducatis these days.

[So]

Caedmon said:

Came across this video that seems to give a balanced view.

https://youtu.be/G-ACnDNfwg8

Good looking car and some fun plain girl up-skirt action around 2 minutes;

[bcr5784]

Caedmon said:

Came across this video that seems to give a balanced view.

https://youtu.be/G-ACnDNfwg8

It's official - it sounds like a coffee perculator. (Sorry I really couldn't resist - I should know better)

Edited by bcr5784 on Sunday 22 April 08:27

[Pinball]

Did you find switching PSE off made a difference? In either 718 model I’ve found the difference negligible at best.

[anonymous-user]

Caedmon said:

Came across this video that seems to give a balanced view.

https://youtu.be/G-ACnDNfwg8

Interesting video, I have to say I’d kind of written the 718 off as a possible option but it seems to me there is also a considerable amount of negative bks written on here about it all.

[bcr5784]

Schmed said:

Interesting video, I have to say I’d kind of written the 718 off as a possible option but it seems to me there is also a considerable amount of negative bks written on here about it all.

While I wouldn't disagree, the two drivers seem to be seduced by the sheer go and take that out of the equation they would be less enamoured. I'd personally agree that down a windy road the 718 can be great fun and if that's the sort of driving you use the car for, I can se its appeal. Feed in some more mundane duties and (for me) it's a different matter.

[Pinball]

They were looking at the whole package, not removing elements to fulfil a predetermined perspective. Their conclusion was the 718 GTS was a better package than the 981 GTS. You’re more than welcome to discard whatever elements are better in the 718 and sacrifice them for sound.

[bcr5784]

Pinball said:

They were looking at the whole package, not removing elements to fulfil a predetermined perspective. Their conclusion was the 718 GTS was a better package than the 981 GTS. You’re more than welcome to discard whatever elements are better in the 718 and sacrifice them for sound.

I'm looking at the whole package too - the fact that they come to a different conclusion to me is because they have different priorities. The sheer go is of no consequence to me (I'd have the base 718 if I was having any). Even they said the 718 engine was course - that is a big factor to me - but the killer (for me) is the agricultural transition from off boost to boost at the lower end of the rev range. What has happened is that you have changed the character of the car from that a cultured aly to a thug - a very capable thug, perhaps, but a thug nevertheless.

[Pinball]

Well the base version is the best one go for. It’s quicker than all the previous 981s. Can’t agree on the transition between on and off boost. Having owned a a few turbo charged cars over the years, the 718 feels pretty linear in power delivery.

Edited by Pinball on Sunday 22 April 15:47

[Pinball]

Here’s a joke to lighten the mood
Question: what’s the difference between the sound of a 718 and the incessant whinging of a 981 owner?
Answer: you can turn the 718 off.

[DJMC]

Pinball said:

Here’s a joke to lighten the mood
Question: what’s the difference between the sound of a 718 and the incessant whinging of a 981 owner?
Answer: you can turn the 718 off.

Wrong. I'm a 981 owner and I can be turned off... by the 718 sound!

[bcr5784]

Pinball said:

Well the base version is the best one go for. It’s quicker than all the previous 981s. Can’t agree on the transition between on and off boost. Having owned a a few turbo charged cars over the years, the 718 feels pretty linear in power delivery.

Edited by Pinball on Sunday 22 April 15:47

So... You have to understand that for many 981 owners that is a complete irrelevance. As are 'Ring times.. When it comes to performance figures there can be no argument (718 has it) when it comes to lag - no argument 981 has it, when it comes to smoothness, no argument 981 has it, when it comes to noise, it's a matter of opinion ( but journalists are unanimous). Regards linearity it depends on which turbos you have driven - presumably you have driven some pretty dire ones (so have I) .Compared with (say) a typical family hatch - say my wife's 1.4 Ecotsi Seat the Porsche is very conspicuously a turbo - whereas you might just believe (most of the time) that the Seat had a 2+ litre NA engine.

[Pinball]

DJMC said:

Wrong. I'm a 981 owner and I can be turned off... by the 718 sound!

Thanks for proving my point by making yet another derisive comment about the sound of a 718. That said, I do appreciate the witticism of your comment. It was well thought out and made me laugh.

[Pinball]

bcr5784 said:

So... You have to understand that for many 981 owners that is a complete irrelevance. As are 'Ring times.. When it comes to performance figures there can be no argument (718 has it) when it comes to lag - no argument 981 has it, when it comes to smoothness, no argument 981 has it, when it comes to noise, it's a matter of opinion ( but journalists are unanimous). Regards linearity it depends on which turbos you have driven - presumably you have driven some pretty dire ones (so have I) .Compared with (say) a typical family hatch - say my wife's 1.4 Ecotsi Seat the Porsche is very conspicuously a turbo - whereas you might just believe (most of the time) that the Seat had a 2+ litre NA engine.

Yes, I’m aware of 981 owners not being concerned about speed. Presumably, that’s why you all bought 2.7 versions and didn’t opt for the larger, faster engines .

The worst car I had regarding turbo lag was the first performance car I bought, a Fiat Coupe 20VT. The difference between on and off boost was pretty horrific. Took me a while to figure out where to position the throttle before I stopped kangarooing around at junctions.

[HighwayStar]

Pinball said:

bcr5784 said:

So... You have to understand that for many 981 owners that is a complete irrelevance. As are 'Ring times.. When it comes to performance figures there can be no argument (718 has it) when it comes to lag - no argument 981 has it, when it comes to smoothness, no argument 981 has it, when it comes to noise, it's a matter of opinion ( but journalists are unanimous). Regards linearity it depends on which turbos you have driven - presumably you have driven some pretty dire ones (so have I) .Compared with (say) a typical family hatch - say my wife's 1.4 Ecotsi Seat the Porsche is very conspicuously a turbo - whereas you might just believe (most of the time) that the Seat had a 2+ litre NA engine.

Yes, I’m aware of 981 owners not being concerned about speed. Presumably, that’s why you all bought 2.7 versions and didn’t opt for the larger, faster engines .

The worst car I had regarding turbo lag was the first performance car I bought, a Fiat Coupe 20VT. The difference between on and off boost was pretty horrific. Took me a while to figure out where to position the throttle before I stopped kangarooing around at junctions.

That’s a pretty cheap shot re speed... some brought the 2.7 because it’s not as fast but you can wind it out longer without doing silly speeds. Some. like myself, went for the S, others the other F6 specials. I was out in my CS this afternoon, I just love it. More speed isn’t something I was yearning. And it’s not some form of denial. I prefer the overall package of the 981 to that of the 718. I waited until the 718 arrived before deciding which to buy.
The video was interesting. The guy said he only had a 981 GTS for 10mins and what a couple days with the 718... I’m not saying he would’ve changed his mind in favour of the F6, on this thread there was a lot of assumption that we only had half hr test drives and what could we know about the F4T.
I found it strange that he likened being on in the 718, a GTS no less, to the feeling of a hot hatch! All the 718s I’ve driven felt, to me, less special. To others the 981 feels less special, the lost of the F6 is not special, lacks low down torque, has to be worked for progress... I prefer to work for it, easy turbo progress is it for me... been there, done that, didn’t like it. Didn’t like it 718 style either. Hence the extra speed on offer genuinely isn’t a factor in my world.
Is it that difficult to see that its simple as it stands, the 718 is a car some of us don’t want? Yes of course some will move over because they want something new, like the turbo delivery... the rest of us, we don’t need others trying to convince us we’re missing out. We’re not.

[Pinball]

As far as cheap shots are concerned, have a look at the criticisms of the 718 sound in this thread and pretty much any other thread with 718 in its title. It’s pretty laughable that you brought that up.

If people want to criticise the 718 and insult the owners then you’re going to get it back. If that’s uncomfortable for you then don’t start it.

The reason I mentioned the 2.7 and speed was really a response to the bullst repeatedly mentioned by 981 owners about not being bothered by the 718s superior performance. It’s a load of st hence why they bought the faster models.