GT4RS - Availability, what’s the latest?
Discussion
bigmowley said:
Sorry but I think you are completely wrong on this!
Multiple independent tests measuring cabin noise, put the 4RS as the noisiest car on sale today. Show me another mass produced standard car that is noisier.
Yes you can drive it sensibly and at a level where the noise is not too intrusive, but where is the fun in that?
Paradoxically from the outside the car is quite quiet, stood on the pit wall watching mine go past at full chat its quite muted.
For me it was not just the sound level inside the cabin but the sound quality that is such a let down. It’s just a blare of intake noise, almost white noise in quality. There are loads of cars that do intake noise really well: M3CSL, Alfa twin cams in fact virtually anything on Weber DCOE carbs.
In my particular car the intake noise was overlaid by a truly awesome set of rattles and squeaks from the interior which felt very substandard for a Porsche. Of particular note were the 2 weird plastic bits on the cage behind the headrests these rattled against the cage whole time.
I also have had some properly loud cars in the garage but these have been loud in the right way, usually exhaust noise, but a fair amount of mechanical chatter thrown in for good measure. Back in the day I had a straight piped MGC on triple Webers which I used to drive on the road along with hill climbs, sprints and races. Now that was noisy but it was the right sort of noisy.
So no I might be in my 60’s but it’s not a “Saga” thing. It’s genuinely not a nice noise. Sorry.
Ps it’s great on track and the noise isn’t an issue once the helmet is on.
Sure but so what if it is the loudest car on sale (by which I assume you mean regular production cars because these independent tests can’t test everything)?Multiple independent tests measuring cabin noise, put the 4RS as the noisiest car on sale today. Show me another mass produced standard car that is noisier.
Yes you can drive it sensibly and at a level where the noise is not too intrusive, but where is the fun in that?
Paradoxically from the outside the car is quite quiet, stood on the pit wall watching mine go past at full chat its quite muted.
For me it was not just the sound level inside the cabin but the sound quality that is such a let down. It’s just a blare of intake noise, almost white noise in quality. There are loads of cars that do intake noise really well: M3CSL, Alfa twin cams in fact virtually anything on Weber DCOE carbs.
In my particular car the intake noise was overlaid by a truly awesome set of rattles and squeaks from the interior which felt very substandard for a Porsche. Of particular note were the 2 weird plastic bits on the cage behind the headrests these rattled against the cage whole time.
I also have had some properly loud cars in the garage but these have been loud in the right way, usually exhaust noise, but a fair amount of mechanical chatter thrown in for good measure. Back in the day I had a straight piped MGC on triple Webers which I used to drive on the road along with hill climbs, sprints and races. Now that was noisy but it was the right sort of noisy.
So no I might be in my 60’s but it’s not a “Saga” thing. It’s genuinely not a nice noise. Sorry.
Ps it’s great on track and the noise isn’t an issue once the helmet is on.
Cars have become quieter (except maybe for tyre noise).
And even if they haven’t, that doesn’t mean they are objectively unbearable. It is just an opinion, though you are presenting yours as fact it would seem. I can see you thought it was too loud and unpleasant too. That’s a shame.
Porsche made the induction noise like this and I for one anyway am glad they did. I loved mine, only sold as Spyder RS coming. Which I hope solves what I do think is the main drawback of the car, that it is a bit stiff for B roads. Again, not unbearably so but can be annoying and a faff to have to trek across the country to CG to have a play.
AndrewD said:
I’m genuinely stumped by all this talk of ear defenders for the GT4RS. Has PH been annexed to the Saga forum? 
It really isn’t all that loud. It is a bit stiff on bumpy cambered B roads but not terrible.
But loud? No. If you think it is loud, dare I say you need to drive some properly loud cars
Completely agree. Mine was one of, if not the first, uk car and I'm absolutely loving it. The character of any car is always subjective whether it's a good or bad thing to the individual owner. For anyone to say "it's too loud" or "it's too stiff" as a general consensus doesn't wash. Each to their own etc... Anyone that knows me, knows I go through my cars, but my 4RS is still with me and isn't going anywhere anytime soon despite whatever else comes. That speaks to what my personal opinion on the car is.It really isn’t all that loud. It is a bit stiff on bumpy cambered B roads but not terrible.
But loud? No. If you think it is loud, dare I say you need to drive some properly loud cars
At this price point one wouldn't expect to be considering an expensive set of coilers for road work ...
I fully appreciate that one can drive around many suspension limitations, but this does assume that all other things are going well. Simultaneous issues may see you in the hedge ... as mentioned in a previous post.
A good car yes, but hobbled again when we know that Porsche know how to get it right.
I fully appreciate that one can drive around many suspension limitations, but this does assume that all other things are going well. Simultaneous issues may see you in the hedge ... as mentioned in a previous post.
A good car yes, but hobbled again when we know that Porsche know how to get it right.
TDT said:
DSC controller is a mixed bag on this platform with the OEM dampers IMO, and based on my own experience in the 981 whilst you might soften it for the road, you lose some feeling and confidence when really starting to push the boundaries, and you encounter compound corners and surfaces. I know one or two in the UK have tried it in their 4RS and reverted.
Its also a popular mod with the US track guys, they are also trying it but then quickly reverting or graduating to MCS dampers…
True about damper limitations, I was thinking that DSC would make it more compliant for road use. I had a "Wife" map with softer DSC settings on my old Cayman 3.8L for use on the rare occasions she traveled in the car for any distance.Its also a popular mod with the US track guys, they are also trying it but then quickly reverting or graduating to MCS dampers…
Edited by TDT on Monday 11th December 18:24
I see now in Germany you can buy new ones free to choose color and so fort, from 175k euro
even a few new ones direct delivery from 179k
its getting a bit better for some, sadly in the Netherlands you can ad 70k extra for the special BPM on Co2 per gr basis, so thats not the btw tax.
but for other countries that have not those crazy extra outside the normal tax payments, a bit a release compared to from 250k or more in the beginning.
even a few new ones direct delivery from 179k
its getting a bit better for some, sadly in the Netherlands you can ad 70k extra for the special BPM on Co2 per gr basis, so thats not the btw tax.
but for other countries that have not those crazy extra outside the normal tax payments, a bit a release compared to from 250k or more in the beginning.
I haven't gathered the full story but came on the threading reading about 200k overs then a total price of 500k and then an absolute cracker of very quickly being 800k. First thought in my head is everyone is on crack but I tend to always be an odd ball when it comes to some pricing of cars.
So what is the current situation or what did in fact play out?
all I see is this isn't turning out to be the mythical unicorn everyone assumed it would be.
Just checked there is 24 available and starting at around 160k. so whats the debrief on this pricing situation.
So what is the current situation or what did in fact play out?
all I see is this isn't turning out to be the mythical unicorn everyone assumed it would be.
Just checked there is 24 available and starting at around 160k. so whats the debrief on this pricing situation.
Chamon_Lee said:
I haven't gathered the full story but came on the threading reading about 200k overs then a total price of 500k and then an absolute cracker of very quickly being 800k. First thought in my head is everyone is on crack but I tend to always be an odd ball when it comes to some pricing of cars.
So what is the current situation or what did in fact play out?
all I see is this isn't turning out to be the mythical unicorn everyone assumed it would be.
Just checked there is 24 available and starting at around 160k. so whats the debrief on this pricing situation.
What’s happening? Multiple factors I guess,actual car/road tests arguably didn’t meet the pre release hype. Seriously hardcore/noisy etc, the big fish who got the first cars didn’t see their “investment” realise so bailed. Plus of course the fact Porsche are building quite a few of them anyway. Long term, these may I suspect well end up like 964RS in terms of desireability/values etc. (Disliked for many years then started to be “appreciated” and values went into orbit). So what is the current situation or what did in fact play out?
all I see is this isn't turning out to be the mythical unicorn everyone assumed it would be.
Just checked there is 24 available and starting at around 160k. so whats the debrief on this pricing situation.
But if a 964RS trajectory minimum values should be around £60k in another ten years ?
The 964RS were stripped of all frippery, they were beautifully built, almost bomb-proof with very little to go wrong and therefore cheap to run ... that can't be said of most GT4RS' which even have Weissach "fashion accessories" ... ??
The "best value" are now at very close to configurator list, but that's still £25k over my perfect build spec ... for serious track use, and it appears that I'd need to spend another £15k to get a decent set of dampers fitted by Porsche Techquipment ... unless these become a build option ?
The 964RS were stripped of all frippery, they were beautifully built, almost bomb-proof with very little to go wrong and therefore cheap to run ... that can't be said of most GT4RS' which even have Weissach "fashion accessories" ... ??
The "best value" are now at very close to configurator list, but that's still £25k over my perfect build spec ... for serious track use, and it appears that I'd need to spend another £15k to get a decent set of dampers fitted by Porsche Techquipment ... unless these become a build option ?
ChrisW. said:
The "best value" are now at very close to configurator list, but that's still £25k over my perfect build spec ... for serious track use, and it appears that I'd need to spend another £15k to get a decent set of dampers fitted by Porsche Techquipment ... unless these become a build option ?
As ever Chris, probably need to drive one for a little bit yoursef and get familiar with it. Could well be ok with a decent alignment as rates are up quite a bit… so ought work on decent surfaces of most tracks. At least then you can be sure if spending the extra would be a benefit. Some road driving impressions…
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 19th December 21:30
TDT said:
As ever Chris, probably need to drive one for a little bit yoursef and get familiar with it. Could well be ok with a decent alignment as rates are up quite a bit… so ought work on decent surfaces of most tracks. At least then you can be sure if spending the extra would be a benefit.
Some road driving impressions…
What the hell was that?!? Lol!! Would anyone ever seriously make a purchase based on that nonsense?!? Some road driving impressions…
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 19th December 21:30
I like this, looks decent value: https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...
Edited by clarkey on Wednesday 20th December 14:39
jackwood said:
TDT said:
As ever Chris, probably need to drive one for a little bit yoursef and get familiar with it. Could well be ok with a decent alignment as rates are up quite a bit… so ought work on decent surfaces of most tracks. At least then you can be sure if spending the extra would be a benefit.
Some road driving impressions…
What the hell was that?!? Lol!! Would anyone ever seriously make a purchase based on that nonsense?!? Some road driving impressions…
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 19th December 21:30
finmac said:
jackwood said:
TDT said:
As ever Chris, probably need to drive one for a little bit yoursef and get familiar with it. Could well be ok with a decent alignment as rates are up quite a bit… so ought work on decent surfaces of most tracks. At least then you can be sure if spending the extra would be a benefit.
Some road driving impressions…
What the hell was that?!? Lol!! Would anyone ever seriously make a purchase based on that nonsense?!? Some road driving impressions…
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 19th December 21:30
Sound like a proper old fart, I know, lol.
TDT said:
ChrisW. said:
The "best value" are now at very close to configurator list, but that's still £25k over my perfect build spec ... for serious track use, and it appears that I'd need to spend another £15k to get a decent set of dampers fitted by Porsche Techquipment ... unless these become a build option ?
As ever Chris, probably need to drive one for a little bit yoursef and get familiar with it. Could well be ok with a decent alignment as rates are up quite a bit… so ought work on decent surfaces of most tracks. At least then you can be sure if spending the extra would be a benefit. Some road driving impressions…
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 19th December 21:30
I see JCT600 Leeds have just posted a 2 owner car with 216 miles on it ...
did I see it correct? is there no mid in between window (glas/plastic) between driver and engine?
ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
GTRene said:
did I see it correct? is there no mid in between window (glas/plastic) between driver and engine?
ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
Interesting idea. I wonder if the intake noise comes from the actual external intakes or the actual carbon air box? If the later then in theory you could fit a clear Perspex cover to sound deaden it a bit? ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
GTRene said:
did I see it correct? is there no mid in between window (glas/plastic) between driver and engine?
ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
What is the HooHaa about the sound why shouldnt it be loud bit pointless really if it wasnt, ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
Charlie_1 said:
GTRene said:
did I see it correct? is there no mid in between window (glas/plastic) between driver and engine?
ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
What is the HooHaa about the sound why shouldnt it be loud bit pointless really if it wasnt, ifso then its logic that carbon air-collecter helps so much in the interior sound, if there is no window, then maybe its possible to instal such say plastic a bit sound deadening window?
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