The 718 GT4 might be arriving sooner than you think!
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isaldiri said:
I don't believe there was any kind of recorgnised test with both tyres and neither has Porsche officially said anything. How/where have you got all these numbers of the Cup2 R being 7 seconds faster than the N2 or how the .1 would be on them?
Porsche engineer and Porsche racing driver told a very reliable source that the GT2 RS laps the Ring in 6' 39 with R spec tyres, which translates to a 8 sec gain..The rest is all a calculated guess in that the 3RS will gain 7 secs on R tyres..This makes sense as to why the 3RS's official Ring time is only 9 secs slower than the 2RS..None of this is official by the way..
Taffy66 said:
Porsche engineer and Porsche racing driver told a very reliable source that the GT2 RS laps the Ring in 6' 39 with R spec tyres, which translates to a 8 sec gain..The rest is all a calculated guess in that the 3RS will gain 7 secs on R tyres..
This makes sense as to why the 3RS's official Ring time is only 9 secs slower than the 2RS..None of this is official by the way..
Ok. So you've gone from a 'source' who has a reasonable enough quote about the improvement of the Cup2 R over the N2 to coming up with some random number and attributing that to the difference vs the N1 tyre on the .1 RS without taking into account driver and track differences and therefore concluding with 'the gen2 being only (!!) 13 seconds faster than the gen1 on the same tyres'?This makes sense as to why the 3RS's official Ring time is only 9 secs slower than the 2RS..None of this is official by the way..
isaldiri said:
Ok. So you've gone from a 'source' who has a reasonable enough quote about the improvement of the Cup2 R over the N2 to coming up with some random number and attributing that to the difference vs the N1 tyre on the .1 RS without taking into account driver and track differences and therefore concluding with 'the gen2 being only (!!) 13 seconds faster than the gen1 on the same tyres'?
I didn't come up with any random numbers whatsoever..! All the numbers i quoted have come from the same 'source' who spends half his life on the Ring, who has taken delivery of a new GT2.RS..The 6' 39s GT2 RS ring time is in a the same Porsche record lap time spec but with the benefit of the R spec tyres..The GT3 RS official time was on the R spec tyres..
It all makes sense as there is no way the gen 2 RS is 24s faster than the gen 1 without huge improvements in tyre technology..
Don't shoot the messenger..
I would not be a bit surprised that the CGT would do the ring in less than 7' on the latest R spec Cup 2 tyres..
Edited by Taffy66 on Saturday 19th May 10:07
Taffy66 said:
I didn't come up with any random numbers whatsoever..! All the numbers i quoted have come from the same 'source' who spends half his life on the Ring, who has taken delivery of a new GT2.RS..
The 6' 39s GT2 RS ring time is in a the same Porsche record lap time spec but with the benefit of the R spec tyres..The GT3 RS official time was on the R spec tyres..
It all makes sense as there is no way the gen 2 RS is 24s faster than the gen 1 without huge improvements in tyre technology..
Well, the 6:39 I can believe on R spec tyres. It's your other numbers that you have come up with that I take issue with. I believe that time on the R tyre (and only that) was on some french chap's youtube, perhaps he has good contacts. In any case, no real issue with that. It's your extrapolations of 7 seconds for the .2 3rs then however many seconds compared to the N1 tyre that seem to be seemingly plucked out of thin air and make no sense at all given you are comparing official laps at different times (track surface/changes) and different drivers that I have an issue with.The 6' 39s GT2 RS ring time is in a the same Porsche record lap time spec but with the benefit of the R spec tyres..The GT3 RS official time was on the R spec tyres..
It all makes sense as there is no way the gen 2 RS is 24s faster than the gen 1 without huge improvements in tyre technology..
isaldiri said:
Well, the 6:39 I can believe on R spec tyres. It's your other numbers that you have come up with that I take issue with. I believe that time on the R tyre (and only that) was on some french chap's youtube, perhaps he has good contacts. In any case, no real issue with that. It's your extrapolations of 7 seconds for the .2 3rs then however many seconds compared to the N1 tyre that seem to be seemingly plucked out of thin air and make no sense at all given you are comparing official laps at different times (track surface/changes) and different drivers that I have an issue with.
I can't help it if you disagree..The 918 Ring time on N1 tyres at 6'57s IMMHO would be around 6' 46s on R tyres which equals the 2RS's time..Its all a calculated guess at the end of the day based on comparing different recorded Ring times.There is no way the new 3RS is anywhere as quick as the 918 if both were using the same tyres..There's no secret conspiracy going on here just careful assumptions based on common sense..
As much as i hate to repeat myself, all the numbers in my first post was quoted from someone much better informed and none were calculated by myself..
Its all a matter of opinion which is what 'Public forums' are all about..
Edited by Taffy66 on Saturday 19th May 10:42
rkwm1 said:
Could the Clubsport video, actually be the GT4RS mule and not the Clubsport?
Also what are the chances that the RS will have a Gooseneck wing?
It's the ClubSport. Clearly a race car and they were scheduled to test it around now. It can't use the 'Ring, hence being at Monza with the GT2 based track only car.Also what are the chances that the RS will have a Gooseneck wing?
And no chance, if it even makes production
If you do track days? Yes, worth the upgrade.
If you want to pose? Your call if its worth circa £30k to get more attention when out and about, but it isn't always a good thing.
If you're after a one car all rounder? Stick with the CGTS.
All in my opinion of course, owning a 981 CGTS and having driven the 981 GT4 at PEC. You might want to do the same to see what you think.
If you want to pose? Your call if its worth circa £30k to get more attention when out and about, but it isn't always a good thing.
If you're after a one car all rounder? Stick with the CGTS.
All in my opinion of course, owning a 981 CGTS and having driven the 981 GT4 at PEC. You might want to do the same to see what you think.
RBT0 said:
I am torned apart. Coming from a 981 CGTS with Sport Chassis PDK and buckets, which now I find a bit boring few times as I would like to move a step up, is the GT4 going to be a valid replacement or better going after a 991.1 GT3 or even better 991.2 GT3?
Mumble mumble.
If you want a 'manuel' car the GT4 is good value at the money and quite a notch up from your Cgts but if you aren't bothered whether 'manuel' or PDK then a late gen 1 GT3 with the better engine is on another level to the GT4 as both a road or track weapon.Mumble mumble.
The gap performance wise between a gen 1 and gen 2 GT3 is quite noticeable and the character of the cars is different on many levels but probably not reflected in the price differential.
Unless of course you must have the essential 'manuel'.
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Yes, actually I am after a PDK plus, love the one on my CGTS and I am amazed by gearchanges on GT3s.
Therefore....why not moving to an other league as I am not sure if the new GT4 even if with PDK will be a step up from my CGTS.
Let's say new GT4 will have 420HP, are 80HP more than my CGTS enough? And overall handling dynamic, a step up?
Therefore....why not moving to an other league as I am not sure if the new GT4 even if with PDK will be a step up from my CGTS.
Let's say new GT4 will have 420HP, are 80HP more than my CGTS enough? And overall handling dynamic, a step up?
If the GT4 has a PDK option it could be PDK S like the GT3 which is a far better box.
Even if the 718 GT4 has rear suspension similar to te 981 the front GT3 suspension alone means night and day difference to your CGTS.
Biggest potential downside to the 718 GT4 is the likelihood of a massively detuned 4.0 engine which in reality will make it more expensive but little more attractive than the 981.
Even if the 718 GT4 has rear suspension similar to te 981 the front GT3 suspension alone means night and day difference to your CGTS.
Biggest potential downside to the 718 GT4 is the likelihood of a massively detuned 4.0 engine which in reality will make it more expensive but little more attractive than the 981.
Twinfan said:
Exactly. With a GT4 you're buying a large chassis upgrade as long as you track your cars as it has little extra benefit on the road, plus a small engine upgrade. Or at least that's how I see it.
The next GT4 will probably be manual again, so if you want PDK you'll need to go GT3.
^ note sure about the gearbox - they have offered 'choice' with the GT3, they have a PDK box that will 'fit' the engine with limited modification/cost (assuming that it is a de-tuned 4ltr they use.................), so they could very easily offer the GT4 with a PDK box. The next GT4 will probably be manual again, so if you want PDK you'll need to go GT3.
I think the whole reason why the 981 was manual only was actually because you couldn't buy a GT3 manual - that has changed now - thay may take a similar view as per the GT3 that you pay your money and make your choice............
The Rennlist poster who races a ClubSportm is getting the new CS and was at Weissach last week states that it's manual only for the GT4 and Spyder. He also states the engine is a stroked version of the old 3.8 sporting a 4.0 capacity and 420bhp.
Given his previous posting info and reputation, I'm accepting his info as correct.
Given his previous posting info and reputation, I'm accepting his info as correct.
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