WIll you still buy a GT4 if it's a 2l turbo
Poll: WIll you still buy a GT4 if it's a 2l turbo
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Discussion
ChrisW. said:
But does this make it lighter, more agile, more responsive --- more R --- ?
The new MX5 (shudder the mention on such hallowed ground) will weigh in at 1 tonne straight.
Times they are a changing -- at last.
Mass is the enemy.
I said that on the Spyder thread, but every one wants to add weight lol.The new MX5 (shudder the mention on such hallowed ground) will weigh in at 1 tonne straight.
Times they are a changing -- at last.
Mass is the enemy.
People it seems don't want light weight, and even you have PDK :-(
Sad days, I dislike all new cars atm most are quite dull.
Who wants a 4 pot turbo ? Not many people, I won't be buying it over my R.
Every one does want PDK, PCM, AC though, you would think half the people here should drive bentleys.
http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/10/11/race-spec-porsc...
Well this demonstrates my source is reliable. I've been told also it won't be called GT4 but R. Sad for that.
Well this demonstrates my source is reliable. I've been told also it won't be called GT4 but R. Sad for that.
RBT0 said:
http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/10/11/race-spec-porsc...
Well this demonstrates my source is reliable. I've been told also it won't be called GT4 but R. Sad for that.
Surely - that article reinforces that if something does come to market it will be called GT4 - check the original article from Autosport which clearly positions the car under GT3 levels of performance as per the race series it would be based upon. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116144Well this demonstrates my source is reliable. I've been told also it won't be called GT4 but R. Sad for that.
As for the power plant - i've said before that I think it will be n/a 3.4 or 3.6 and probably c375hp.
But if this will be a MY2016 and a race series homologation car then it could well be a turbo package - the sub booster/cayman car (718) has apparently been cancelled and this was poised to have the 4pot engine. If Volvo and Mercedes are developing 4pot engines with 355 & 400hp then Porsche has the capability also. As someone may have already said - maybe this will form another level of differentiation between the 911 platform and the Boxster/Caymans.
If its a hardcore race homologation special - I don't think I'll be in the market for buying/ownership - but will be interested to see it.
mrdemon said:
I said that on the Spyder thread, but every one wants to add weight lol.
People it seems don't want light weight, and even you have PDK :-(
Sad days, I dislike all new cars atm most are quite dull.
Who wants a 4 pot turbo ? Not many people, I won't be buying it over my R.
Every one does want PDK, PCM, AC though, you would think half the people here should drive bentleys.
You have such a way with words ... lol People it seems don't want light weight, and even you have PDK :-(
Sad days, I dislike all new cars atm most are quite dull.
Who wants a 4 pot turbo ? Not many people, I won't be buying it over my R.
Every one does want PDK, PCM, AC though, you would think half the people here should drive bentleys.
Well noted, even I have a PDK, and I love it !
I have a 2002 GT3 RSR (ex ALMS) for when I must do the manual thing. Been there, got the T shirt.
See my post re the 915 v. G50 gearboxes ...
TDT said:
Surely - that article reinforces that if something does come to market it will be called GT4 - check the original article from Autosport which clearly positions the car under GT3 levels of performance as per the race series it would be based upon. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116144
As for the power plant - i've said before that I think it will be n/a 3.4 or 3.6 and probably c375hp.
But if this will be a MY2016 and a race series homologation car then it could well be a turbo package - the sub booster/cayman car (718) has apparently been cancelled and this was poised to have the 4pot engine. If Volvo and Mercedes are developing 4pot engines with 355 & 400hp then Porsche has the capability also. As someone may have already said - maybe this will form another level of differentiation between the 911 platform and the Boxster/Caymans.
If its a hardcore race homologation special - I don't think I'll be in the market for buying/ownership - but will be interested to see it.
I think that Porsche have accepted that the 991 has become a large GT car ...As for the power plant - i've said before that I think it will be n/a 3.4 or 3.6 and probably c375hp.
But if this will be a MY2016 and a race series homologation car then it could well be a turbo package - the sub booster/cayman car (718) has apparently been cancelled and this was poised to have the 4pot engine. If Volvo and Mercedes are developing 4pot engines with 355 & 400hp then Porsche has the capability also. As someone may have already said - maybe this will form another level of differentiation between the 911 platform and the Boxster/Caymans.
If its a hardcore race homologation special - I don't think I'll be in the market for buying/ownership - but will be interested to see it.
For those of us who love light, who might just play the Lotus card, who adore the 964RS and before it the 2.7RS ethos, I am sure the new GT4 will be the way ...
For Porsche it's a win / win, so why wouldn't they ?
Racing proves both the capacity to endure, whilst motivating and inspiring the spirit to discover what is possible ...
At what stage will any of us say that we have achieved this ?
To strive is to live ...
ORD said:
+ 1 billion
1000kg and I would test drive it at least. Any heavier and you are getting a little bit less weight and a much worse engine.
I feel like I must be taking crazy pills when people can get excited about a powerful turbo 4 pot when the alternative is one of best sounding and most rewarding types of engine around.
Even worse than BMW dropping the V8 in the M3 in favour of a turbo 6 that may as well be a diesel
I agree the turbo 6 in the BMWs is a little boring (have not driven m3, but m135i has a great but fairly boring turbo 6 engine). 1000kg and I would test drive it at least. Any heavier and you are getting a little bit less weight and a much worse engine.
I feel like I must be taking crazy pills when people can get excited about a powerful turbo 4 pot when the alternative is one of best sounding and most rewarding types of engine around.
Even worse than BMW dropping the V8 in the M3 in favour of a turbo 6 that may as well be a diesel
Lovely as they are, I don't think Porsche flat 6s are that exciting sounding though compared to a classic V8 in say a v8 vantage or Ferrari flat plane V8.
Porsche just make lovely efficient and balanced cars as an overall package, but sometimes this perfection is thought of as dullness.
TDT said:
RBT0 said:
http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/10/11/race-spec-porsc...
Well this demonstrates my source is reliable. I've been told also it won't be called GT4 but R. Sad for that.
Surely - that article reinforces that if something does come to market it will be called GT4 - check the original article from Autosport which clearly positions the car under GT3 levels of performance as per the race series it would be based upon. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116144Well this demonstrates my source is reliable. I've been told also it won't be called GT4 but R. Sad for that.
Personally I think it is 50:50 as to whether it will be a last hurrah for a flat 6 in a Boxster/Cayman chassis or it will be the first car to carry the turbo flat 4 that Porsche have already announced will be in the next generation. It would certainly make sense for it to be the turbo 4 in the racing car though as that would be a marketing boost for the credibility of the forthcoming line up of 4 cylinder road cars. But for the road car there really is nothing more than rumour and speculation at this point and it could easily be either. Personally I expecting the 991 GT3 to represent a precedent on the gearbox though - to my mind PDK only ought to be expected.
We shall see...
This month's copy of Car magazine has a feature on the most wanted cars for 2015 and claims the Cayman GT4 has a turbo 3.8 producing 450bhp. Georg Kacher is normally very close to Porsche but not this time.
As the current n/a 3.8 produced over 400bhp with the power kit option adding a turbo to get 450bhp seems totally inaccurate - one would expect 550 plus if you look at other turbocharges engines. Audi claim 434bhp for the new 2.5 litre RS3 and 454bhp for the 2.5 litre TTRS. I really can't see Porsche putting more power in a GT4 than the GT3.
It just goes to show that nobody really knows what to expect for the GT4 - only time will tell.
My wish list is normally aspirated, manual or PDK option and 370 - 400bhp would be just fine. Bucket and club sport as a no cost option would be nice. Hydraulic steering and sub 1200kg are unlikely but here's hoping ...
As the current n/a 3.8 produced over 400bhp with the power kit option adding a turbo to get 450bhp seems totally inaccurate - one would expect 550 plus if you look at other turbocharges engines. Audi claim 434bhp for the new 2.5 litre RS3 and 454bhp for the 2.5 litre TTRS. I really can't see Porsche putting more power in a GT4 than the GT3.
It just goes to show that nobody really knows what to expect for the GT4 - only time will tell.
My wish list is normally aspirated, manual or PDK option and 370 - 400bhp would be just fine. Bucket and club sport as a no cost option would be nice. Hydraulic steering and sub 1200kg are unlikely but here's hoping ...
DiscoColin said:
TDT said:
RBT0 said:
http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/10/11/race-spec-porsc...
Well this demonstrates my source is reliable. I've been told also it won't be called GT4 but R. Sad for that.
Surely - that article reinforces that if something does come to market it will be called GT4 - check the original article from Autosport which clearly positions the car under GT3 levels of performance as per the race series it would be based upon. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116144Well this demonstrates my source is reliable. I've been told also it won't be called GT4 but R. Sad for that.
Personally I think it is 50:50 as to whether it will be a last hurrah for a flat 6 in a Boxster/Cayman chassis or it will be the first car to carry the turbo flat 4 that Porsche have already announced will be in the next generation. It would certainly make sense for it to be the turbo 4 in the racing car though as that would be a marketing boost for the credibility of the forthcoming line up of 4 cylinder road cars. But for the road car there really is nothing more than rumour and speculation at this point and it could easily be either. Personally I expecting the 991 GT3 to represent a precedent on the gearbox though - to my mind PDK only ought to be expected.
We shall see...
Carl_Docklands said:
The part sharing between the 997 gt3 road car and the 997 rsr was fairly tenuous anyway. Good as a sales pitch reality was there were not as many parts shared as average buyer realised.
The engine isn't really what I would call 'fairly tenous'. If the link between the 7 GT3 road car and rsr is fairly tenous, what does that make the 991 gt3/rsr.....?anonymous said:
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I actually disagree. I think there is a market and its growing. But it wont be fed by Porsche, I agree on that. Companys like Singer and PS have touched this market but are not at the right price point. There is the potential for someone to 'create' a car that would be very successful internationally. It might not even be air cooled.
I guess you are right cmoose.
I know lots of guys that physically dribble at the sight of a GT3 or 964RS etc but then go and buy a tip cab. They like the idea of the real 911 but are scared by the apparent compromises.
For me though, you have to go all the way, there is no compromise. I am not suggesting a 997 Cup as a daily but it has to be real. Dont ask me to define that though!
I know lots of guys that physically dribble at the sight of a GT3 or 964RS etc but then go and buy a tip cab. They like the idea of the real 911 but are scared by the apparent compromises.
For me though, you have to go all the way, there is no compromise. I am not suggesting a 997 Cup as a daily but it has to be real. Dont ask me to define that though!
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