981 CGTS vs 718 CGTS 4.0 steering

[JayK12]

Porsche911R said:

JayK12 said:

Couldn't beat my sim time though..................come and race in our sim group, I invited you but you never replied, you'll get murder racing against fast people.

ping me a link, I have had a frozen shoulder for 12 months so not be racing and can only do 30 mins at a time atm.
I don;t mind coming last as even if I beat one person then they must be really st if I am that bad.

Did you ever race that Racical ?

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 5th November 14:08

Give me a shout when your able to do 75 minutes, hope your shoulder gets better, must be as you were driving on the edge of grip the other day, its a private group so no links. I showed the guys in the group your post on here, the one where you went of on one at RJ and refered to sim racing. Tbh they don't like your attitude, I did explain that your actually alright in real life. The group conistist of top sim racers (sponsored/manufacture), race team owners, real world racers and champions from all over Europe. As any petrol head would love the racing in that group, so clean and high standards, and friendly.

The Radical hasn't been used this year apart from 2 outtings, its currently with North Motorsport prepping for racing next year as things are out of date/compliance. Tbh this year has been so ste, I'm not really feeling very bothered about it, or any cars, just been sim racing which has taken over. It might go, i might get an old 964 and retro mod it as something to do, otherwise just a daily 981 S or TTRS meh, just no interest at the mo.

[DJMC]

As a former RAC competition licence holder and UK motor racing pioneer back in the 80's I think I'm extremely well qualified to say that I find the 981's steering excellent. I test drove two 987 Caymans prior to buying the 981 and have had several 718 courtesy cars and noticed no discernible difference between them.

Having said that, nowadays I do tend to take it easy on the road, having had enough of speed in the past, but around the PEC circuits I found the 981 steering gave me no issues, even on cracked PZeros.

Naturally I defer to anyone more qualified who perhaps pushes their cars to the limits more than I.

[Maxym]

I'm coming late to this particular party (I think). Used to own a 981 CGTS and had a 981 CS before that. Steering OK - direct and you can place the car accurately but markedly inferior in feel to the 997 C2 that preceded the Caymans.

718 steering (I've had a few OPC loaners) better - quicker rack and a bit more feel. But still not as good as the 997's.

Current 911T's steering about the same in characteristics as the 718 - which says to me that in the 991.2 and the 981.2 (actually 982 but badged 718), Porsche improved on their first attempt at EPS.

[James McScotty]

I had a 997 C2S for four years, and found the steering rather numb, TBH, having previously driven BMWs.

[Jazzer]

I find it rather amusing that driving gurus got out of a 981 early because of perceived (heard someone say) lack of feel: how come, with your heightened senses, you didn’t realise just awful it was during the test drive??

I have Michelins on mine, with a great geometry set up....makes a huge difference.

The 981 GTS is a sublime sports car for the road, I love it to bits!!

[Lexington59]

“The 981 steering is perfect...”

Far too many butt hurt 981 owners on this thread.

Do tell us more about your perfect car and how you need a racing licence in order to have a valid opinion, etc.

[Slippydiff]

anonymous said:

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V10 Lambo version demonstrated here sounds better

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_kIv5Cg0l5Y

[gareth h]

Jazzer said:

I find it rather amusing that driving gurus got out of a 981 early because of perceived (heard someone say) lack of feel: how come, with your heightened senses, you didn’t realise just awful it was during the test drive??

I have Michelins on mine, with a great geometry set up....makes a huge difference.

The 981 GTS is a sublime sports car for the road, I love it to bits!!

I’m afraid it isn’t perceived, steering feel is pretty poor, and mine is on a fast road geo and PS4S, (not to be confused with steering accuracy), had minefor a few weeks and done 5-600 miles in it (spyder), coming from several Loti the feedback doesn’t compare, you really just have to trust that there is grip, which generally there is on the road, the plus side is that it is very planted, remarkably so considering it’s on 20” rims, which means fewer buttock clinching moments than in my old 410 Exige, which was very quick, but could dart around a bit on poor roads.

[JayK12]

Lexington59 said:

“The 981 steering is perfect...”

Far too many butt hurt 981 owners on this thread.

Do tell us more about your perfect car and how you need a racing licence in order to have a valid opinion, etc.

If thats how it feels to that person how are they butt hurt. Your childish comments on this thread digging at some 981 owners just because they are happy with the steering on their chosen car speaks volumes.

[Royal Jelly]

JayK12 said:

If thats how it feels to that person how are they butt hurt. Your childish comments on this thread digging at some 981 owners just because they are happy with the steering on their chosen car speaks volumes.

Quite.

[TDT]

This is about GT4 v 718 GT4…

Some interesting comments on steering... enjoy...

https://youtu.be/6dO8njNsDKc

[anonymous-user]

TDT said:

This is about GT4 v 718 GT4…

Some interesting comments on steering... enjoy...

https://youtu.be/6dO8njNsDKc

Interesting vid.

I believe the 981 GT4's EPAS is a dialled down version from the other 981's so that you get more feedback through the steering wheel.

Strange that Steve Sutcliffe amongst others had no issues with the 718 GT4 steering throughout his track test of the car.

[James McScotty]

Schmed said:

Interesting vid.

I believe the 981 GT4's EPAS is a dialled down version from the other 981's so that you get more feedback through the steering wheel.

Strange that Steve Sutcliffe amongst others had no issues with the 718 GT4 steering throughout his track test of the car.

Also the 981 GT4 has the front suspension from the GT3, so I guess that might alter things in comparison to other 981s?

Steve Sutcliffe described the 981 GTS steering as "delicious".

[IMI A]

EPAS in 991 a nd Golf GTI far more precise than in 987/997 IMO. Less feel obviously but at high speed its really tiring compared to EPAS. Never understood the fuss and gets rid or torque steer on FWD and AWD cars too.

[Spyder75]

TDT said:

This is about GT4 v 718 GT4…

Some interesting comments on steering... enjoy...

https://youtu.be/6dO8njNsDKc

Good and interesting video T. Bet your happy with the result.

I am wondering has the 981 in the video had the benefit of a nice geo and setup. Only reason I say this is the seats recline a bit more so the owner may have installed a seat recliner and hence might be an enthusiastically owned example.

Or have Porsche changed the seat base between models?

[braddo]

IMI A said:

EPAS in 991 a nd Golf GTI far more precise than in 987/997 IMO. Less feel obviously but at high speed its really tiring compared to EPAS. Never understood the fuss and gets rid or torque steer on FWD and AWD cars too.

It's not about precision - I don't think anyone is claiming EPAS Porsches have unprecise steering. It's about feel. That is, getting some indication through your hands of when front tyres are struggling for grip.

Obviously on dry roads this issue is not going to crop up often. But it really can make a difference either on track (especially if not dry), or on the road when there is less grip, e.g. dusty/dirty roads, wet roads, snow/ice on roads.

As other have said, in normal dry conditions people learn to trust that sufficient grip is available. So whilst that means you can hoon around and enjoy yourself, you don't actually know how far away from grip limits you are.

[braddo]

anonymous said:

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[Fl0pp3r]

Some interesting insight into steering feel on 981 vs 718 (albeit GT4’s) in this recent pH vid:

https://youtu.be/6dO8njNsDKc

[Porsche911R]

braddo said:

It's not about precision - I don't think anyone is claiming EPAS Porsches have unprecise steering. It's about feel. That is, getting some indication through your hands of when front tyres are struggling for grip.

Obviously on dry roads this issue is not going to crop up often. But it really can make a difference either on track (especially if not dry), or on the road when there is less grip, e.g. dusty/dirty roads, wet roads, snow/ice on roads.

As other have said, in normal dry conditions people learn to trust that sufficient grip is available. So whilst that means you can hoon around and enjoy yourself, you don't actually know how far away from grip limits you are.

It’s seems on this thread knowing what the car is doing is not high up on the list of importance to a big % of owners.
So it will be the forever debate like the manual VS PDK debates which go round in circles, and now the much long gearing which again spits opinion for the last 20 years , Now only just become an issue !!! As it a sheep fashion to point it out these days.
You either turn a blind eye on all these issues or not I guess.

[James McScotty]

Porsche911R said:

It’s seems on this thread knowing what the car is doing is not high up on the list of importance to a big % of owners.
So it will be the forever debate like the manual VS PDK debates which go round in circles, and now the much long gearing which again spits opinion for the last 20 years , Now only just become an issue !!! As it a sheep fashion to point it out these days.
You either turn a blind eye on all these issues or not I guess.

The voice of reason.